Drug-Dealing Ohio Abortionist Suspended, but is Likely to Reoffend

By Cheryl Sullenger

Columbus, OH – Newly released documents from the Ohio Medical Board describe the shocking details that led to the suspension of Ohio abortionist David Burkons, 70, and conditions he must now meet in order to keep his medical license. Burkons is being disciplined for a variety of drug-related violations.

The July 12, 2017, order suspended Burkon’s license for 180 days (six months), to be followed by a conditional probation of at least three years. During that time, Burkons must obey all laws, submit to periodic appearances before the Board, submit to the oversight of a Board-approved monitoring physician, and observe various other conditions.

Burkons was found to have been prescribing dangerous narcotics to fourteen patients, including several friends, without noting the prescriptions in their medical charts. This under-the-table prescribing kept any mention of narcotic use out of the patients’ records. Drugs that were being secretly prescribed included Xanax, Adderall, Valium, Ativan, and Percocet.

He also left blank, signed prescriptions for his employees to fill out for patients. He claimed that he did not understand that this practice was illegal.

Also, during Burkons’ testimony before the Ohio Medical Board, he blamed his clinic administrator for failing to renew the clinic’s Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs license with the Pharmacy Board. This left authorities blind to the distribution of narcotics by Burkons’s Northeast Ohio Women’s Center abortion facility in Cuyahoga Falls.

“Burkons was essentially an illegal drug supplier. His blame-shifting and claiming of ignorance rings hollow, especially in light of his actions that helped his evade discovery,” said Troy Newman, President of Operation Rescue. “It is clear that he has not taken full responsibility for his dangerous behavior. There is every reason to believe when Burkons’ license is restored, he will be back up to his old ways once the coast is clear. That makes him a danger to the public.”

Within 30 days of the suspension order, Burkons was required to provide a copy of his suspension order to all his employers, all entities with which he is under contract, and all hospitals where he has privileges.

That list includes a list of troubled Ohio abortion facilities.

Burkons owns and operates the Northeast Ohio Women’s Center, a facility he took over in 2014, when the previous abortion business there closed due to the revocation of its Ambulatory Surgical Facility (ASF) license. After failed inspections and other difficulties, Burkons was able to relicense that facility in 2015. He says he has hired another abortionist to keep this abortion facility open during his suspension.

Burkons also works at the Capital Care Network abortion facility in Toledo, Ohio, which is currently fighting in court to maintain its own facility license after the Ohio Department of Health rejected its hospital transfer arrangement with a hospital in Ann Arbor, Michigan, where the clinic owner said she would helicopter patients that suffered abortion complications requiring emergency hospitalization.

However, on April 1, 2017, pro-life activists witnessed an African-American patient being taken out the back entrance of the building. She was loaded into an employee’s private vehicle and taken to a Toledo hospital where the facility had no transfer agreement. A local activist has filed a complaint over the incident, and the licensing case has been appealed to the Ohio Supreme Court.

Burkons is also listed as medical director for Preterm abortion facility in Cleveland, where Lakisha Wilson suffered a fatal abortion in March 2014. That facility has experienced more than its share of medical emergencies, including incidents where medical care was delayed due to a frequently malfunctioning elevator that prevented gurney access to the abortion procedure rooms. Preterm’s most recent abortion-related medical emergency took place on July 26, 2017, just days after Burkon’s license suspension.

“Every abortion business affiliated with Burkons is a documented public safety disaster,” said Newman. “Medical Boards and Health Departments in every state must come to grips with the fact that abortionist are not like legitimate health care providers and cannot be treated as such. They tend to be a devious lot that try to get away with everything they can, knowing that a slap on the wrist is all they will ever suffer. Traditional discipline rarely works with them. While we are glad Burkons cannot legally do abortion for six months, he really should never be allowed to practice medicine ever again.”

Read Burkons July 2017 Suspension Order and Supporting Documents.

  • ADRoberts

    God help us. That the murder of babies by WOMEN who have determined to become their own god. How long will God delay justice.

  • JoeMudd

    Alas, He does not delay justice. He is justice and He surrounds the earth that He created for His pleasure, and when we are in Him we are
    joint heirs, sons, daughters living in His inheritance and living in His pleasure.
    The unsaved though have a different reality and Jesus as justice visits them as He see’s fit, John 5:27
    The second coming we are waiting for is the opening of the eyes of the unsaved, just like it happened for us. Hebrews 9:28 The second coming is the Salvation event, never ending, timeless.
    Woe to those who refuse God and face Jesus in judgement.
    How simple a thing it is to ask Jesus in and have judgement
    paid for already, and yet many will refuse Him. Sad.

  • ADRoberts

    1. Asking Jesus in is just the start. Our society is so much different than what Jesus dealt with. At that time there was a straightforwardness about people., When they made a decision is was permanent and there was NO changing. Today, many have “claimed” to accept Jesus and have repented. But they simply refuse to change their lives or their attitude toward WHO controls their lives. They are, as James said, of TWO minds.
    So what I am saying is it is not enough to accept Jesus. A person MUST move forward in their spiritual journey and come to realize that they must DIE to self and give complete control to Jesus through the Holy Spirit.
    As to your claim that God does not delay justice, simply not true. The Bible says that He give LONG life to the wicked so they have plenty of time to repent. And THAT is delaying judgment. In my humanness, I desire so much that God would take out the wicked in Congress, who continue to do a bunch of stuff that is AGAINST our country. Want a list?

  • ADRoberts

    I do not know where you came up with this WORD PICTURE of Him surrounding the earth for His pleasure. And your contention that when we are IN Him we are joint heirs is correct as far as it goes. But the Parable of Ten Virgins gives a greater understanding to just exactly what our standing is. You see, when the night started ALL TEN were ready for heaven. But as the night went along, FIVE failed and when the Bride Groom came, they did not get to go in. Yes, salvation is CONDITIONAL. And if you want proof. Just look up the thousands of verses that start with the WORD “IF”.
    “IF we walk in the light…….” Means that there is an alternative of NOT walking in the light. Even look at Matthew 7:21, and see where people who were able to do miracles IN HIS NAME, will be rejected at judgement, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT DO HIS WILL.
    God bless you.
    I hope you will continue to grow in grace and understanding.

  • JoeMudd

    My word picture is the answer to why we are here at all, why do we exist?
    The word tells us it’s for His pleasure.
    http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/why-do-i-exist
    Your picture of the Ten Virgins is correct except for the time frame. The first word of Matt 25 is “Therefore” and finding out what it’s there for gives context and the context is judgement on the Jews of Jesus day for not being ready for the Messiah. The punishment was the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, as Jesus just prophesied in Mt. 24
    Walking in the light is simple grace. We simply believe that God exists and then ask Jesus to fill us (Born Again) and we are “skippy in the club” accepted not by our works but ONLY by Jesus’s atoning death on the cross.
    We are sinners, we will always be sinners until we die. We should not seek to sin but we will because of the sin nature within us so in our lifetime we should seek to be free from sin and Christ helps us with that as we ask. Will we ever arrive at sinlessness, NO. AND if we think that being sinless is what gets us into heaven we deceive ourselves. Jesus took our sins, past, present, and future. That is the GRACE God bestowed on us who choose to believe, that it is not by works that we are saved but by the atoning work of Christ on the cross alone. But you knew that.
    And the CONDITION for salvation is soooo simple, That we believe in the Father and the Son, and get born again and get eternal life. Skippy in the club. We cannot earn our way into Heaven by being good.
    The Ten Virgins, that is for the Jews of Jesus day that rejected the Messiah. WE are children of the light. By grace alone.

  • ADRoberts

    First paragraph. Not rejected. Just that the meaning and analysis you present does not mean that it is not also applicable for ALL Christians.
    Want to contend that YOUR way is the only way? You can. I reject that arrogance.
    Second paragraph. Sorry Faith without works is dead. Want the reference for that? Google “Faith without works” It gives you James 2:14-26.
    So works alone don’t save. Neither does faith alone. IF you don’t walk the talk, your life is HYPOCRISY.
    Third paragraph. Simply wrong. I have hundred of verses that disprove you. “What? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid.”
    “Without holiness, no man shall she God.” “Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap……” “IF we walk in the light…… then we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin.”. (That means that IF you don’t walk in the light, your sins will NOT be cleansed.
    A SINNING Christian is a disgrace to God. I have heard it repeated. The sinner who looks at a sinning Christian and says, “I am as good as that guy is.” And he is right. So you think that God plays a game and for having simply said a few words, claiming to BELIEVE, that suddenly the very same vile, evil life is now acceptable. and they get into heaven? That is mocking the grace of God.
    I have one other verse for now In the Lord’s Prayer, it says, “……and forgive us our debts AS we forgive our debtors.” You can’t be forgiven WHEN you don’t forgive others. And a selfish sinful person will NOT forgive others. The basis of all sin is selfishness. And the experience of Pentecost and likewise what happens when a person is SANCTIFIED, is that the SELFISH nature is cleansed. The desire for self is gone. And therefore, the person CAN and DOES stop sinning.
    Get this. IF there was not a provision for cleansing the HEART and giving us heart holiness, then Jesus’ death was no different than the O. T. sin sacrifice. Those did not stop the people from sinning. Jesus repeated said that

  • ADRoberts

    (continued) He went to heaven, He would send the Holy Spirit. Now I can give you the answer to the next question. But I will leave it for you. WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?
    Yes, Jesus provided the atonement. But IF we don’t have a CHANGE in our lives, if we don’t die to self (Romans) if we don’t receive power from the Holy Spirit cleansing and giving us power, we will NEVER be able to obey Acts 1;8 and John 14:12. Do YOU obey those two verses? IF you don’t, you are not “His follower” (That is what it says in John 14:12. Want to deny that)
    Now the last statement. Just where does it say that the Parable only applied to Jews? Why do you believe that YOU are ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED? Just google the word “IF in the Bible” Read those verses. And there are plenty of them. And they say it all. Yes, they say that SALVATION is conditional. Do you want more verses? I can provide them.
    The question is, do you REALLY understand the concept of JESUS IS LORD?
    You see to be LORD, He must be totally in control, the center of your life, the essence of your existence. And IF He is such, then the desire of your heart will be totally and completely to DO HIS WILL. And since SIN is the violation of the KNOWN will of God. (by Webster and also an understanding of what a FATHER does when dealing with a child) then when HE is Lord, the desire for any SELFISHNESS and SINFUL acts, words or thoughts are gone.
    Look it up. See what it means to be HOLY.
    See the doctrine of the Church of the Nazarene, about HOLINESS.
    Lastly look at Romans. See where Paul talked about what it is when a person is still in control. “The good that I desire to do, I do not do…….But the Bad…” That is what He called “

  • ADRoberts

    (CONTINUED) the OLD MAN.
    At the end of all my complete refutation of your beliefs, there is this.
    John 14:12. And John 8:31. This is what a follower of Jesus does.
    Now tell me. How can a person do either without the

  • ADRoberts

    (continued) of the Holy Spirit coming and cleansing the SELFISHNESS.
    This is where the parable of TWO MASTERS comes in. A person has to die to self before the Holy Spirit can take control and give power necessary to do John 14:12. And a warning about that verse.. Matthew 7:21.

  • ADRoberts

    Oh, and your claim that it all exists for HIS pleasure? Not sure about that. But I do know that HE desires for us to CHOOSE Him and to accept HIS love.
    I don’t believe any of the pain, death, deprivation and evil that is rampant in the world gives Him pleasure. So why does He allow it? He is a REDEEMING GOD. And as WE accept His gift of salvation, He is able to make good come out of everything, good and bad. THAT is what gives Him pleasure.
    I suspect you believe that YOU are saved and can never lose your salvation. That is true. You can’t lose it. But you can refuse His grace and His presence in your life and His desire to be in charge of your life. And when YOU reject HIS LORDSHIP, you have effectively rejected Him. Grace does NOT overcome our rejection of His Lordship.
    So here is the question. CAn Jesus and Jehovah be Lord, if you reject His control of our lives?

  • JoeMudd

    True, rejection of His lordship will have consequence but that is not hell.

    All that pain, death, deprivation and evil, that exists outside of the Christ
    that we proclaim to the world and when He is accepted that changes and the Kingdom expands.
    It’s a process.

  • JoeMudd

    I agree, and this nation is in need of a spiritual jump start and that starts at the simple beginning.
    I remember my first pastor telling me “if God showed you how much you need to change all at once, you’d kill yourself”

  • JoeMudd

    Don’t know where this post fits the discussion I lost track.
    As far as refuting my beliefs. I’m 40 yrs a Christian, Jesus is my Lord and savior. My fruit is my 4 God fearing Jesus loving children all grown.
    And I continue to go and do as the Holy spirit leads and Jesus provides.
    I see the world getting better, maybe you don’t.

  • ADRoberts

    1. You surely don’t know the Bible or any END TIME prophesies. I refer to tribulation and the persecution that thousands of Christians are NOW experiencing around the world.
    2. The fruit of a follower of Jesus, by His own words is NOT your children. It is John 8:31 and John 14:12. And most who call themselves Christians have NO CLUE how to obey John 14:12. Now if the Holy Spirit does actually lead you, you will testify that you have died to self and NO LONGER SIN. That is also a FRUIT of a Spirit filled life.
    Want to argue that. Many Laodicean type Christians do? I am game.
    Do you claim to have stopped sinning. Or do you claim that you sin every day in word and deed. One way glorifies God, in control of a life. The other is a disgrace that causes the world to say, “If that is what it is to be a Christian, I want no part of it. I am as good as they are.”.
    Does your life GLORIFY GOD?

  • ADRoberts

    I won’t agree with your pastor. God LEADS us and He does so right at the edge of our ability to obey.
    What we need to do TODAY is what God shows us we need to do today. It is called “walking in the light” That is why a true Christian will not try to force others and even new Christians into THEIR mold. As followers of Jesus, we know that HE is the one who leads those who truly seek His will.
    I like to point to Romans 2:14-16 and a perfect proof of what God expects.

  • ADRoberts

    Sorry. It is much more complex. There is a verse in Matthew that says, “Because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.” Now we know that iniquity has ALWAYS abounded in the world. So this verse LIKELY is referring to the church and the body of believers. This ties in with the seventh church in Revelation. Laodicea.
    From this verse with “love of many shall wax cold” and the parable of Ten Virgins, I have concluded that at end times, there will be a great falling away (also a term from another verse) So people don’t “lose” their salvation, They actually get up and walk away. They simply do not persevere.
    This scenerio is more likely in the USA where our “church” is much more materialistic. Right now, my church, the Church of the Nazarene, is fulfillng he prophesy of last days. They were given a film, The Jesus Film, by Campus Crusade for Christ back in the 90’s. And we have run with it. Showing it on TV in Thailand (God miraculously opened that door.) In the interior of Madagascar, in the tops of the Andes and a lot more. End times prophesy says that before the end, the Gospel would e preached to the whole world. We are doing that now. And many of these people who see and accept Jesus, know that they face immediate persecution and often death. Christians are dying at a rate of one every five minutes at the hands of muslims.
    And I am sorry. But rejecting HIS Lordship WILL send a person to hell.
    Want to investigate. Look up all the times the word IF is used in the Bible. Each time, there is at least TWO options. “IF we walk in the light…..”

  • JoeMudd

    YEAH I want to argue that. you go and spread Falsehood over seas.
    What crap. the Bible says NOTHING about end times. It says plenty about the Last Days of the old covenant. It says a lot about the judgement of the Jews in front of Jesus that would die a wicked death in 70 A.D. and yet not a single Christian was harmed. Dispensationalists are decieved followers of Darby and Scofield, a twisted gospel leading the church nowhere. Go tell your offspring that they have no future, you had a life but sucks to be them they get cut short the sky is falling, don’t bother polishing brass on a sinking ship. Worthless belief.
    Ephesian 3:21 the historic gloria patri, World without end. AMEN
    Hebrews 9:28 Jesus comes a second time unto salvation. Proof from the word itself that becoming born again is the second coming of Christ, a timeless event where Jesus comes again and again and again into the future.
    BUT no you and your deceived church see fit to spread the lie of the rapture across the world. Keep reading and studying out of context a worthless faith in something that will never happen because you got it WRONG.
    My life is full of His glory and whether it satisfies you is of no consequence, you won’t be anywhere around when I stand before my creator but Jesus will be right there with me. Thank GOD that rapture crap is dying and the true gospel is going forth. Christians are waking up to the lie of the end time teaching. My fruit is my family, my job, my friends, my employee’s, my lifestyle, my speech, my witness, it’s my whole life in Christ. Good luck with that endtimes crap, Oh if your going to rapture, can I have all your stuff?

  • ADRoberts

    This is going to be hard. So many just plain falsehoods. You want to split hairs about the difference in terms. “Last days” and “End times”. That is just bogus and stupid.
    Just read Matthew 24. The whole chapter is about the end. Deny that.
    You claim that the Jews were destroyed and not a single Christian was harmed. Yes, I am sure you can prove that, since it is obvious that you were THERE. LOL And all that persecution that caused the Gospel to be spread as Christians fled? You are either a liar or being deceived by someone who is feeding you GARBAGE for religious doctrine
    You get nasty and claim that people’s lives SUCK because they do not believe what YOU believe. And who are you to declare that Darby and Scoffield have twisted the Gospel? I would like to know WHO you are following. I don’t know or have studied either. And I can tell you that it is ONLY God who can determine who is false unless you are dealing with a guy like you who seems to delight in attacking others who ARE seeking to serve Him. That is bitter hatred and is NOT the unity of believers that Paul talked about in Romans. I bet you never read about the unity of believers, have you?

  • ADRoberts

    Ephesians 3:21 in the NIV which is the most accurate TRANSLATION, says nothing about world without end? So you use ONE translation and twist into claiming that the world will not end. There are many other verses that say otherwise. Want to explain why you CHERRY PICK? The Hebrews verse you quote in the NIV says that he will come a SECOND TIME. No way, you can claim that He will come again and again. So who is the source of this heresy. Who are you following. I would guess it is the Jehovah’s Witnesses. They do an excellent job of MIStranslating the Bible into their OWN book but have to make sure that they don’t name any of their translators. WHY? Because their own history shows a number of their “translators” have found major errors and when they tried to correct them, they were KICKED OUT.
    As to the Rapture, I can assure you that REAL Christians are not counting on it. They know that it could happen. But they live as if they will certainly die, maybe as martyrs as so many Christians are RIGHT NOW at the hands of muslims around the world. At a rate of one every FIVE minutes I bet you don’t believe they are real Christians. Pathetic.

  • ADRoberts

    I will simply ask you to testify as to the “glory” of God in your life. Testify as to the power you have: the miracles you have been involved in. The actual number of people you have lead to Christ, since you have this hatred against all other believers. No, you can’t be a follower of Jesus Christ unless you obey John 8:31 and John 14:12. Those two verses are specific as to what a FOLLOWER of Jesus will do. And your words of hate prove that you CAN’T have obeyed those verses.
    As to judgement and who will be their, I have news for you. The entire world and everyone who has existed throughout all time will be there. Each person’s life will be reviewed with EVERYONE watching. It will be obvious what your motivation was and what you were trying to do. NOTHING will be hidden. And yes, I will be there too. And you can’t prove otherwise. I have just read your words, that you say are your fruit. It is not of love. It is not of forgiveness. It is not of the Spirit of Christ. As to who is fulfilling the prophesy of spreading the Gospel to the entire world, Matthew 24:14, that is being done NOW by the Church of the Nazarene. God provided the Jesus Film (from Campus Crusade for Christ) and their requirement was that they know where it was to be shown so they could get the language on the film correct. We have been doing this for about 25 years now. It would take a book to recount all the times God has miraculously opened doors and allowed it to be shown in muslim nations, and where the government is even dictatorial.
    YOU? Proved yourself to be selfish and materialistic with your last request to have my “stuff”.
    So this is the last time I will respond to you UNLESS you admit what denomination or person you are following. For sure, IT IS A CULT.

  • ADRoberts

    Oh, and your repeated use of vulgar words? God says that you will be called to answer for EVERY IDLE WORD Matthew 12:36.

  • JoeMudd

    The Person of Jesus Christ is who I follow and my anger is toward the error embraced and taught by Christians without understanding.
    This nation is experiencing hurricanes from Jesus and Forest Fires from Jesus and political anarchy from Jesus, why? because our light is placed under a bushel every time the end-times is preached instead of the Gospel.
    End times is error, a misunderstanding of the text making the word of God of no effect. The fruit of it’s teaching is a complacency that is like cancer in the church. Instead of going forward into the future the church eats it’s seed and tomorrow is forfeit. It is now tomorrow. I follow no denomination though I have spent time in many. So go your way, but consider these words and may God reveal the truth of His word in context and what that means and understanding of the big picture of Christs work in the world would be revealed by His spirit. Lord your will be done.

  • JoeMudd

    Matt 24. fulfilled in 70 A.D. Done.

  • ADRoberts

    No, just portions of Matthew 24 were fulfilled.
    I have read the Bible more than once and have found that you can find meaning and even prophesy mixed in with other applications. All throughout the Old Testament are verses that NOW are acknowledged to point to JESUS CHRIST as the Messiah. Yet in context, those who refuse to believe in Jesus will deny that it applies to Him
    In the same way, there is NO question that the verses in Matthew 24 DO talk about “END TIMES”.
    You failed and refused to deal with my question about the Holy Spirit. That was predictable since you can’t answer. God have mercy on you.

  • ADRoberts

    I might agree that much of this is from judgement. But it is also true that many ;like events have happened in history and since YOU don’t know the mind of God fully, you are simply NOT able to make such a statement without presuming that you are such a close servant that YOU KNOW HIS MIND. You claim that the “fruit of it’s teachings is complacency.’ First off, what is the word “it’s” referring to. Who would that be. Secondly, how have you come to such arrogance that you can declare that ANYONE else is wrong. How do you know what God is saying to others? Have you read or considered what Romans 2:14-16 says about the FACT that God is the only One who determines whether a person has obeyed the LAW HE writes on their hearts. No, your approach is similar to Jim Jones and David Koresh and any other arrogant, egotistical person who dares to declare that HIS way is the only way.
    As to your NOT being in a denomination? That is bogus. You DO have a position of doctrine. NO ONE is without a postion. Either you are Calvinistic or you are Wesley-Armenian. I suspect you are so cynical and jaded that you are a Calvinist.
    As it is, you have declare that you no longer affiliate with any, which would indicate that you have disobeyed the admonition in Hebrews 10;25.
    God have mercy on you.
    With your last pious statement, I must ask you one more question. Since you are not attending church, what are you doing in service to God. Are you sharing the gospel anywhere? Are you supporting any ministry that does. Do you give to those in the world who are starving. And by the way, my wife and I continue to do ALL of that and more. Just what is your prayer life like? Do you live in John 14:12?

  • JoeMudd

    3 books
    The Destruction of Jerusalem (written in 1805) by George Peter Holford
    It’s a bit slow to read due to dated language.
    Paradise Restored by David Chilton.
    Unraveling the End by Dr. John Noe.

    Only Jews refuse to believe that Jesus is Messiah or someone who denies God totally.

    I am full of the Holy Spirit. And you need to keep searching and studying which is why
    I suggested some reading material there is much more but these are a good start, all
    to be cross referenced and verified with the Word of course. Noe’s explanation of Daniels timeline is spot on, he nailed it.

  • JoeMudd

    And so that Denomination you find yourself in is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH without question?
    The only Absolute truth I believe in is my Lord because men FAIL constantly. His Word is
    a light unto my feet and my prayers always include asking for understanding.
    The Word is like music, it has to resolve if there are parts that conflict, then they are
    misunderstood as the music is off key. Dispensationalism is so off key it’s just error and wrong
    but don’t take my word for it just start asking WHY to everything it teaches.
    I was raised in dispensationalism, it doesn’t work, it doesn’t fit, it’s all out of tune and off key,
    it’s legalistic and close minded. It is simply not the truth. Those books I recommended are filled
    with the wherefore and the why much better than I can argue or have time for.
    If 70 A.D. is even remotely a fulfillment of Matt 24 then you owe it to your faith to read ALL about it.
    That will lead to Revelation and there is no better exegesis on Revelation than David Chilton’s,
    “The Days of Vengeance”. That is a huge read but well worth it as “The Bible interprets the Bible”
    is the foundation of the book and the journey through the Old Testament will blow you away with the exact meaning of EVERY verse and word and show you that the last days of the old covenant and end times are not semantics at all but two different things entirely,
    one real and one nonexistent. There is a free PDF online, the book is expensive.
    You misread my surety as arrogance but then you don’t know me.

  • ADRoberts

    First and last, you are not qualified to say that ANYTHING is misunderstood. Your mind is not mine. And if you had a lick of sense, you would know that no two people agree on just about anything including religion or politics or even the border. Deny that. And yet here you are, claiming that scripture is “MISUNDERSTOOD.” That is what I and most of the world call arrogance. And by the way. Anyone who follows YOU will be just like those who followed David Koresh and Jim Jones. DEAD WRONG. Other people see Dispensationalism as valid, since history shows that during God’s dealing with Israel, He set up a plan for them to reconcile with Him. It did not work. They continued to sin. Just as you continue to sin since you reject the power of the Holy Spirit. And you can’t even say the Lord’s Prayer without condemning your self. “…and forgive us our debts AS we forgive our debors.” There you have it. Argue with that.

  • ADRoberts

    Surety is what an arrogant person calls himself. So you are from the Reformed Church. Just as I predicted. A Calvinist. What amazes me is that so many like you and also across the board of belief still cannot admit that God does not deal with different people differently. You have to have it your way. You can’t let anyone else have a different opinion. And I have yet to see a ONE of you deal with John 14:12, Acts 1:8 or all the verses that demand we be HOLY. You admitted that you follow Chilton. That is good and bad. So call him up and ask him his take on Romans 2:14-16. Since you won’t address it, I am sure you will accept whatever he says as TRUTH.
    For sure, you are going to be surprised at who is in heaven and who is not.
    WHY? You think you have it all nailed down. You are SURE of yourself. And I bet you have NEVER in your life, been able to see a different point of view about anything.
    Now a verse from the Bible. Isaiah 55:8-9. Note that there is NO exception in that verse where it says, EXCEPT FOR JOE MUDD.

  • ADRoberts

    I have seen your attitude. I see the ego and arrogance that you call surety.
    I have no need to read ANY book you have recommended. See, in order for you to win a person over, you have to treat them with a smidgeon of respect. You have NONE.
    You claim to be full of the Holy Spirit. Prove it. Testify as to the miracles you have been involved with as Jesus said you would (John 14:12)
    Maybe you need to go and ask David Chilton how to deal with that verse, since I am sure you have NO CLUE.
    And that GREAT COMMISSION. “Ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit comes on you. And you shall be MY witnesses, in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and to the utter most parts of the world. ” Testify. What have you done. What are YOUR Gifts of the Spirit. It is not bragging if you give God the credit. But you won’t testify That is because YOU live in II Timothy 3:5.

  • JoeMudd

    Who Died and made me Judge? Jesus did.
    Know ye not that you will judge angels 1 Cor 6:2,3
    And so I say again That end times teaching is CRAP.
    Love you Brother keep searching and God bless.

  • ADRoberts

    You have been so badly deceived. So what did Chilton tell you that you were to believe. It is obvious that ALL that you believe, you get from someone else and not from the Holy Spirit when reading the Bible.
    You failed again. You say that Jesus made you judge with I Cor 6:2-3. Wrong. That verse applies to when we get to heaven. And you are most certainly not there yet.
    Your only effort to be loving and in unity is when you have finished your bitter attack. You fool no one.
    I repeat. Testify as to YOUR living in John 14:12.
    And I am sure that you will once again, avoid that.
    YOU ARE KNOWN, by your fruits and by your words.

  • JoeMudd

    Romans 3 is the answer to Romans 2
    IE the grace of Jesus through salvation, not by works that no man should boast.

  • JoeMudd

    Our Holiness comes from Christ alone. Your work to be Holy is as filthy rags.

  • JoeMudd

    WHERE does the Bible say that being judge is after death in heaven? it does not, it says right there at the end of 1 Cor 6 verse 3, “How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! ” THIS LIFE
    see that?

  • JoeMudd

    And what did Jesus do that He requires us to do likewise? He preached the KINGDOM. If you preach the Kingdom then you expect the Kingdom to be lived out. You take the kingdoms of this world in His name and occupy. You do NOT run and hide and preach end times telling new believers that the sky is falling.

  • ADRoberts

    Yes, He preached the Kingdom.
    Do you know the Great Commission. I would tell you but it is obvious from your statement that you don’t
    Do you know two specific things that JESUS said that those who follow Him would do? John 8:31 and John 14:12
    Now admit it. You did not know a thing about those verses. So much that you think you know. So little that you actually know. How about the admonition in Romans 15:5-6. Does your hatred and bitterness show any unity. Do you focus on all the things you disagree with when you talk to everyone? Of course you do.

  • ADRoberts

    Maybe you are using a Jehovah’s Witness Bible. i looked at several translations and they ALL say “WILL” JUDGE ANGELS. No way you can stretch that to be what you claim. Yes, I did read further and it does say that we can judge things in this life. Matthew and Luke say the opposite. But for your sake, I will agree to judge you. You are bitter, angry, and against all other believers. But I refrain from condemning you. I will leave that up to God.

  • ADRoberts

    I won’t try to explain to you. I will just ask one simple question. What is the function of he Holy Spirit and why is it such a big deal to BLASPHEME THE HOLY SPIRIT.
    Want to have a lesson in the functions of the Trinity Jehovah is the Father. We now can approach Him in the name of His Son Jesus. Jesus is our intercessor. And the Holy Spirit is the One who is with us 24/7 and will take control of our lives and make us holy as we DIE TO OURSELVES.

  • ADRoberts

    Not so. James 2:14-26 explains it exactly and succinctly. Faith without works is dead. I guess yo want to cherry pick your verses and just throw out the ones you don’t like.
    By the way. I am waiting for your testimony of what you have done for Jesus. It is not bragging when you give God the credit. But then,in your case, there is apparently nothing to testify about.

  • JoeMudd

    When Was The Law Fulfilled? Ready To Judge The Living and the Dead 1 Peter 4:5

  • JoeMudd

    That statement is SOOO stupid I can’t believe it. You can shove the Jehovah Witness crap. I’m not one. I don’t do cults especially End Times Cults. Eph 1:23 is the Gloria Patri one of THE most quoted verses
    in history. Google it. WORLD WITHOUT END, AMEN

  • JoeMudd

    You really don’t get out much do you, I use NIV, ESV (quoted this verse)
    and then I check the Mounce Inter-linear to make sure it matches the original Greek.
    I’m not against all believers just the ones that spread the lie of the end times because it’s not Biblical, it’s that simple.
    When Was The Law Fulfilled? Ready To Judge The Living and the Dead 1 Peter 4:5

    Obviously I’m not alone in understanding who we Judge.

  • ADRoberts

    So you reject God. And you reject some believers. And yet you claim WHAT? Not that you are a real Christian. You refuse to respond to my request for your testimony. And there certainly is NO unity in you. You are just as bad as any theist.
    Now, since you have rejected God, and you DID say so, you can’t use the Bible for ANY of your arguments. So either you are a LIAR or a hypocrite. So you want to be judge. Let’s hear it. First how did you get your authority since you have rejected God. I know. You get it from your OWN GOD, yourself. And you don’t have any fear of HOW well you judge since you don’t believe that Jesus meant it in Matthew, when He said that with the same measure we judge, we will be judged.

  • JoeMudd

    My so called hatred and bitterness, which actually is neither but instead
    realization from the Holy Spirit that deception is being preached from the pulpit across the world with a FAKE gospel, coming from taking the WORD out of context and distorting the meaning.
    I don’t know where you are going with John 8:31 and John 14:12
    they are simple follow me scriptures. DUH.
    You forgot to add Romans 15:7 . Any time you want me to come speak at your church I’ll gladly come and show you what you’ve been missing.

  • JoeMudd

    I must have missed something, you asked for my testimony?
    At 21 years of age I was a drug dealing drug taking criminal who got thrown in jail for my own actions and beliefs. I watched a Billy Graham crusade and asked God in a short prayer to show me He was real.
    About a year later, 1977, I was on my way to a drug deal and listened to some guys testimony on the radio and identified with it and asked Jesus to save me from myself. The next day I was arrested and thrown in jail on the other side of the country surrounded by strangers. I spent about 2 weeks in pure hell there. My Dad sent me a Bible through my lawyer.
    Dad had gotten saved a year earlier but I thought he was wacko as he was never religious in my whole life. He and my Mom were praying for me. My lawyer was a back slid-den Christian who’s life was a mess and hadn’t been living right for years, he recommitted his life due to my parents and my interaction with my case.
    I let that Bible sit on the table for a number of days until I was starting to entertain suicide thoughts. When i began to read it God spoke to me and I couldn’t put it down. I stayed in my cell for 2 days just reading and feeling God change me as I welcomed Him into my life.
    I spent 5 months in jail total after having God save me from close to a
    9 year sentence. I prayed for and received the gift of tongues while there. Saw many Demons in other men and basically did New Christian 101 everyday with a captive audience (ha ha) Sharing and praying with those who would listen. I went in in utter turmoil and I came out a new man.