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As a life-long pro-lifer, I always knew abortion was a violent terrible act. Even when faced with two unplanned pregnancies and being single, abortion never crossed my mind. I now have been happily married for nearly seven years, and my two unplanned children (as well as my other two planned kids) are the light of my life. The thought of life without them makes me ill. And so, when I saw those pictures of the murdered babies…I cried. With all of the people out there who will never experience the miracle of having their own child, why would anyone ever resort to Abortion? Can someone please explain to me how this is a better option than life? I really don’t get it, and I am heartsick over it.
As I can see the views of the ORW and understand in someway where the group comes from. Not all abortion is bad. sometime one has to think past just that point of the baby being killed (yes some of it is gruesome). But what about after they are born and the mother decideds that she hates the child. does her best to kill that child through different methods (ex. A Child Called It). Why let that child know that pain when it can be stop at the 2-7 week stage of pregnancy. after thbat yes i agree abortion is questionable.
I disagree with Angel. I think all abortions are bad, they dont consider a fetus a human being, but in the bible it says that God knew us before He created the heavens and the earth, which means we are considered human beings. Yes I agree that many mothers will abuse their children just like A Child Called It, but if the mothers really hate their children then they should put them up for adoption, there are other women that want to have children but are not able to, they should be given the opportunity to have a child. God Bless.
I also strongly disagree w/Angel. Abortion is WRONG, it’s MURDER no matter what stage in the pregnancy it is.
Bottom line is there is no rewind button on time. You drink and drive, you kill someone, there’s no magical ‘fix’ to make it as though it never happened. There’s no ‘fix’ to make it as though a woman didn’t get pregnant, either. Murdering the unborn child, a precious gift from God, is NOT the answer EVER under any circumstances.
The common belief that “some babies are better off” b/c the moms don’t want them, or they’re the result of insist, or their lives wouldn’t be living are a lies straight from the pits of hell. Who are we, mere human mortals, to decide who is ‘worthy’ of life and being born????
I am a mother, and I am blessed to have given birth to two healthy children. As a woman who has given life and experienced the magic of pregnancy twice I KNOW w/100% certainty life begins at conception. The Bible tells us so, but I also know b/c any woman who has ever been pregnant and says otherwise is lying to themselves and they know it. You can not deny the beauty and miracle taking place w/in you- from the moment of conception.
Lastly, I think abortion is ultimate act of selfishness. Even if the mom doesn’t want the child, is it really too much to ask that she gives a mere 9 months of her life so that her child can have theirs???
God Bless,
Missy
I disagree with Angel also,
no matter what way you put, no matter how much you sanitise it, abortion is murder.
They are killing human beings. They Have a heart that beats and eyes that see, when you kill a baby you kill a part of God.
And If you do not know this than you need to be saved.
Sorry that the truth hurts, but hey if you are gonna say that abortion is wrong and rifht go to a website that cares.
i am 14 and i think abortions are wrong.It even says it in the bible and i think that is so wrong that women get aborstions b/c if god was so greatful to give u live i think that u should give that baby life.That baby did nothing wrong and for u to not let it live its life is wrong.Just b/c u did something wrong and made a mistake doesnt mean that that baby has to suffer as well there r other things to do u have it and give it up or u just keep your legs closed until u r ready to have one!!!!! B/c if your not ready to have one u need to keep your legs closed and then that wouldnt happen and just b/c that was a mistake for you doesnt mean that its a mistake for god b/c god wants u to give babies life and for you to take life from a baby is just wrong ands its not your say when the baby dies its gods thats why god puts the baby in you b/c he wants you to have it and for u to take that away is wrong and i think that anyone who does get on should go to prison for manslahter did u know that if a gril was going to get an abortion and she was on here ways to get one and she got into a car accadient that other driver in the other car would go to jkail for killing that baby that she was going to abort anyways and i think that if she was going to do it then i think that the other person shouldnt got to lail if she wasnt b/cx she was going to kill the baby anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!Well that is all i have to say i hope that touched u but if not you are a murder and you are going to HELL!!!!!!!!!!
I agree and disagree with Sasha.
I agree that abortion IS MURDER,
and any body who commits WILL GO TO HELL!!!!!
I disagree with Sasha on the fact that God put that baby in you.
God does give the baby life in the mothers womb, but God says that having sex before you ar married is a sin. Im sorry if i am offending any body but it is the truth.
Here is how I see it,
If You crash into a telephone pole, you will havve an accident,
If you you have unprotected sex,
you will probably become pregnant.
(not saying you should any way.)
I am not saying a child is an accident, but if you know that you will probably become pregnant, LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE!!!!
I am thirteen and loving my life and I think every body should.
in a sense, both rachel and sasha are right…..
sex outside of marriage is wrong…..
but an unborn child is knit together in the womb by Jesus Himself….no matter how it got there, it is still a life and still has infinite worth and value…..to take that life is wrong…..
we can’t determine the future of a two year old…..how can we say that just because a child is “wanted” or “unwanted” that it has value or does not have value? we can’t…..
the point is that how a child is conceived is irrelevant to the fundamental premise that life begins at fertilization…..
if she were still with us, we could ask ethel waters…..and she would tell us…..
http://www.vintagedrum.com/paabort.htm
We thought that this was truly sad…not to mention disgusting. It’s enough to make someone not have an abortion. We’re glad for what you are doing to save the innocent. Thank you and God Bless you.
Carissa Vinovskis
Hannah Long
For the person who said, “If you don’t want an abortion, by all means do not have one. But keep your opinons out of my uterus!!!!!”, you are a sick, sad person. Women do have a “choice”. They have the choice to keep their damn legs closed and not have sex, then they wouldn’t have to worry about getting pregnant. Why are all you liberals so worried about the woman’s “right to choose” and not the babies??? The baby has no say so as to whether or not their skull is crushed and thier limbs are pulled off to complete a late-term abortion. If an embryo is just a “ball of cells” you wouldn’t have to have an abortion to get rid of it now, would you? There is no difference in having an abortion and in shooting your new born baby in the head and killing them. People who have abortions and people who perform them are murderers and are going to burn in hell forever. Luckily, the innocent angels that are murdered by you sick people are in heaven in the arms of The Lord…something you will never be.
michelle
i appreciate your passion. all of us should be indignant against this horrible practice of abortion.
the only clarification i would offer is that there are a growing number of people who used to be in the baby killing business, but have repented and come out of that godless lifestyle. they now speak out eloquently for the unborn. carol everett and bernard nathanson are two of the most prominent.
and also, many women who have aborted an innocent helpless child have realized what they have done, years later, and repented. a group called “silent no more” goes to washington dc every year and holds up signs that say “i regret my abortion”. actress jennifer o’neill is a spokeswoman for them, and she is post-abortive herself.
abortion is a horrible sin.
would that all who participate in it would turn from their wicked ways and be healed.
the lack of intelligent commetary by the poor choicers is not surprising – as long as they can twist and contort language in order to cloud the ultimate facts of abortion – as long as they can flit from one false argument to another, never stopping long enough to actually answer the thoughtful, documented and thorough rebuttals from those of us who are prolife – then they can maintain the illusion of some sort of ‘viable’ argument (pun intended).
if you have had an abortion, i urge you to seek compassionate counseling from carenet, lumina, rachel’s vineyard, or your local cpc. God can and will forgive you if you confess that sin and call it what it really is – the taking of a human life.
if you are pregnant and considering abortion, i urge you to seek compassionate help from your local cpc, carenet, heartbeat international, etc….. you don’t have to go it alone. but know that you are already a mother, even now. abortion will not change that fact – it will only make you the mother of dead baby.
if you support abortion, then i would urge you to actually do some investigation of the facts – don’t just cling to a mindless opinion based on simplistic, misleading slogans that have no real basis in reality. check out some of the links on this site and ask yourself – can i support this and still have a clear conscience?
if you oppose abortion, then i urge you to get involved and help bring this holocaust to an end.
To Michelle: This post isn’t an attack, and I am not saying that this is an excuse for abortion, but you do realize that some women make the choice to “keep their damn legs shut” yet still end up pregnant, right? Also, I’m impressed that you have the say-so over whether or not people who’ve had abortions ever get to go to Heaven. When did God give that power over to you?
katie
God didn’t give michelle the power to judge sin…..He did define sin, however, and then He judged it Himself.
and abortion is sin – nothing in the Bible condones it.
in a previous post, i pointed out that many have come out of the baby killing business with repentant hearts. and God does forgive repentant sinners – that is why His Son came to die for us.
all of us have come short of His glory…the key is to agree with God about sin, and turn from it.
those who kill babies or who have aborted their own children need to repent and turn from that wickedness just like anyone else does.
Hey, I’m from Belgium and in the paper of today there is an article of this organisation. I believe that abortion sometimes is better than a live like a plant. In my job, I met a lot of children who are miserable and know nothing of the world around them. On the pictures above you see that a lot of aborted children are disabled. I think that in Belgium the abortions are not that cruel as they are pictured here. BUT! They are also children who aren’t that disabled and I won’t like it if they were aborted. I believe that the situation of the mum and the baby must be investigated and in Belgium that is the case. Here there is a time to think between the first visit to the clinic and the abortion. I see that a lot of people here talk about ‘God’. Put God out of the picture and think about the horrible life a child could have. I see a lot of children who don’t have the help of God! I’m not for abortion but I’m not against it to. Think raisonable. If a girl choose to have sex without protection, then she must face the possible pregnancie. Everybody knows that sex can lead to a baby and than abortion is wrong. If a young girl was raped and is pregnant, what must she do then? This isn’t a baby who is made with love! I knew a girl who was pregnant after she was raped and she jumped of a bridge because she couldn’t stand the thought of having a baby in her, the baby of the man who raped her. Do you think that is right? I think you should here different story’s before you say: i’m against abortion. At my work, i heared an other story: a doctor telled a couple that their baby son would be born without an arm. They decided to have an abortion. That made me angry. It’s perfectly possible to live without one arm. In this case, I’m against abortion. If I would be pregnant, I wouldn’t have an abortion. It should be my fault (are my boyfriend’s) and it isn’t the baby’s. This is my opinion and one good advice: think before you act!
Greets,
Kirby (sorry if there are faults in my writing)
kirby
sounds to me like spelling errors might be the least of your worries….
on one hand, you say that everyone knows abortion is wrong.
stop right there, and ask yourself…how, if we are to “take God out it”, do you know that abortion is wrong? who gave you a conscience, kirby? you see, you can’t ‘take God out’ of anything – He is everything. He created you, and He creates every unborn child, whether the child is disabled, or born into dire circumstances….
every child is made with love, by the loving hands of a loving Creator….
you go on to say that you’d be against abortion in one situation, but you’d justify it in another.
the key is, kirby, that abortion KILLS a child, and therefore, is always wrong.
the only possible exception would be to save a woman’s life, and abortion in that type of situation is really not going to solve anything….they can deliver the baby while at the same time trying to save its mother…….and may be able to save both……
i suggest you do some homework on this, and then try forming an opinion that has some coherency to it……
oh, and one last thing…..
your god is not the God of the Bible, so don’t blaspheme His name by claiming to be a follower of Jesus Christ…
Yay Bob! You say it so beautifully. Just because it’s alive, doesn’t mean it deserves to be.
Wonder if these people do anything to alleviate the suffering of life that’s already out there. Done anything to suffer the little abused children already alive? What about the death sentence? That murderer was a baby once too. How about the state of the mentally / physically disabled? Done anything to raise their standard of living lately? Did you bring the homeless man out of the street into your home and help find him a job or way of life? He’s smelly and dirty now but he was a baby too once.
Double standards, *rolls eyes*
I think that allot of you are confused about the whole abortion thing. we are talking about KILLING an UNBORN CHILD. as innocent as innocent can be. I think that for the person that claims that the child is sometimes better off aborted than alive because some of them are disabled in some kind of way is really stupid. just because a child has a disability does not give you the right to kill it. you would rather have a baby have it’s scull stabed with a pair of sissors in the back of their head, have its brains sucked outand have its tiny little limbs torn off because it has a birth defect than to just let the baby live? do you know how much since that doesent make? its a baby for Gods sake. it has said nor done anything to you for you to need to kill it. i have a baby sister that has practically been a girl with nothing but limbs and a mouth and eyes since the day she was born but to talk with her and to get to know her you would never really know that she can barely walk or feed herself. she is the happiest little girl that i know considering she has a disability. i would never in a million years wish that she had been aborted simply because she is a little disabled. she goes to school, she plays and she communicates with other people quite well. she does it in her own way but the fact is, she does it. you dont deprive a child of his life and an equal chance like evryone else because it has a flaw. when you think about it everyone has a flaw or two. i have a skin disorder that leaves me with permanant scars, my mother has depression, my little brother has a bad temper, my cousin hears voices but we are all human. who knows what flaws you might have that you might or might not know about, so dont be so quick to judge other people as to what they should or shouldnt do. yes, i understand women get raped and have sick people that do sick things but to kill the child because something happened to you is not how to solve the problem. killing the child wont make you become unraped. dont look at it like “oh my God i ha
ve a rape child living in me” look at it as an angel from God, a surviver, a blessing amongst the many other blessings you have in your life. you cant just throw it it away by killing it. God wouldnt have allowed the women to become pregnant with the child if he didnt have a plan for that childs life and even yours to. you killing the child is not apart of Gods plan. Just leave well enough alone. if you find that you dont want it, dont kill it. have the child and give it up for adoption. let it grow up happy in a family that can give it what you thought you couldnt. all kids dont have a peaches n cream life because the women gives it up but it would be better to atleast TRY and give the child that chance. im only 18 but the way i see it is no matter what may or may not have happened to you in yor life, it is not your place to take a life.
Yeah… you know youre absolutly right… lets follow the jaintor of a womens health fecility and make his life miserable until he quits his job which barely supports himself, let a lone his family.
God would want that.
cidney
you’ve done a good job in expressing prolife sentiments, and i applaud you. you are far more sensitive and morally perceptive than many people twice your age. and you post goes a long way toward illustrating the difference between pessimistic worldviews of people like bob and lee, and the optimistic, positive beliefs that those of us who respect life at all stages of development hold.
keep up the good work.
lee
if you actually believe that bob expresses himself ‘beautifully’, then you must not read very much.
neither of you have expressed anything resembling a fact, only more of the predictable, convoluted, contorted reasoning that typifies poor choicers….
A Poem I wrote in High school:
She stands alone…looking out the front room window.
She stands alone…as two blonde children run by.
She stands alone…trembling with fear, thinking of years to come.
She stands alone…wishing she had another choice.
She stands alone…hoping her secret will not be discovered.
She stands alone…the real world hazy and hard to grasp.
She stands alone…knowing that her life will never be the same.
She stands alone…unaware that todayss fate can not be undone.
She stands alone…pacing the waiting room, dreading the silence ringing in her ears.
She stands alone… hearing her name walks unconciously into the pale pink room.
She stands alone…worried that it will hurt more than they said.
She stands alone…knowing it will soon be done.
She stands alone…thinking of the unborn child that didn’t get a chance to live.
She stands alone…tears running down her already tear stained cheeks.
She stands alone…realizing her mistake.
God Bless OPR for speaking for those who can’t speak for themselves.
Jerry,
You have a lot of insighful,godly wisdom. I have read over the commentary and it saddens me to think of what satan temps us with as humans and what’s even sadder is that we give in to it. I praise God for people like you who genuinely love God and know what He promises us. I myself truly believe that if someone repents his/her sin then they will be forgiven. God not only looks at all sin the same he forgives all the same.
God Bless,
JMN
jmn
thanks for the nice compliment. for anything i’ve said that’s helped anyone, all i can say is – to God be the glory.
may He bless and keep you, too.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-bibleforbids.htm
I am a 21 year old american female. I am all of the oppourtunities and freedom in the world. I experience a life girls my age in orther countries can only dream of. I am educated and supported by my government. So why then does this government keep trying to restrict my choice to life. Everywhere I go all I hear about is pro-choice. what if my mother had not chosen life? What kind of a free country would this be for me then? I’d be dead. IN high school I experienced three of my best friends pregnancies. One gave birth to a beautiful baby girl and is happy, one gave hers up for adoption to a loving family and gets yearly updates and is very happy, the other had an abortion (though at 15 she says she had not choice due to a medical problem)She quickly became very depressed and obesse and can not keep healthy loveing relationships with men. I sadly had to learn from my friends and I wnet stright to my doctor to practice my freedom of choice…I am on birth control. It is far better to wait till I am ready to love and support my children. And never have to choose..even though I would choose life at all cost. Lets educate americas girls about thier choice to prevent unwanted pregnacy and avoid the choice all together. But also support them when the do concieve and help them make the right choice to love and give life to the had the freedom to make in the first place.
This is so sad and there are no words that explain it. People that do this should be ashamed of themselves.
Sadly, today many girls don’t have biblical values in their homes. I lacked those biblical values and didn’t surrender my life to Jesus until after two abortions and three years later. Before I surrendered my life to Jesus, I was obviously pro-choice myself. I went ahead and let myself get brainwashed into thinking that abortion was a better solution because of the pro-choice attitude. In ‘my’ society it was okay to have sex before marriage. It was okay to have more than one sex partner, It was okay to live together before marriage. And worst of all, it was okay to have an abortion. If I didn’t have that choice back then, of course I would have given a childess couple two babies that I selfishly killed. That would have been a better choice for me and it would have been a mistake on my part to learn from. To think back on my abortions, it was so easy to do. I saw girls at the clinics that were going through there third maybe fourth abortion! I saw a married couple that was going through an abortion with their fifth child because of financial circumstances! If abortion were illegal, it would have given us a different choice. To give up the baby for adoption. The abortion clinic made me think that aborting my baby at twenty two weeks, was not a baby yet, so it was okay to abort. Years later after my abortions, I tried to ignore what I had done, but the thoughts of the procedures I had gone through crept up into my mind. The first abortion I went through, I went through it awake. I heard the baby’s heartbeat. I saw the ultrasound of the baby whom I was about to end it’s life. During the procedure, I had the nurse handing me tissues. As if that emotional trauma wasn’t enough for me, I went through a second abortion, still in that mentallity that the baby was not a ‘baby’ yet. Upon entering the room for my second abortion, there was a girl being wheeled out of the room and I was next. It was as if it were an assembly line. Right then I was hooked up to all these machines. It all happened so fast. I was put to sleep. W
hen I awoke, to my left there were at least five young women recovering and more coming in from that assembly line to recover. Very traumatic for someone that was pro-choice. Yet I had to live with that memory and at that time, still try to convince myself that I done nothing wrong. Wow what a wake up call when I found my Savior. To find out that we are created before we are in our mother’s wound. To find out that God created each person was no mistake and to love you before you were even born was a realization! I had no right to kill my unborn babies! I killed two precious lives which I considered a mistake! And they were God’s creation! Had I known this before, I would never had gone through it. People need to let God into their lives now more than ever. We need to encourage Godly people into the next election to elect Godly people. We wouldn’t be going through such a dilemma now with this society thinking it’s okay to murder God’s babies. I’m very grateful that God has forgiven me for such a horrendous sin that I committed. Girls today need to be counseled by our Highest Counsel and let God back into our public schools. It also needs to start in the homes. Had I had Godly parents or Godly influences at school, I wouldn’t have gone through what I had gone through.
If anyone here has the ability to make an anti-abortion argument without using the words “God” or “Bible”–or even mentioning anything that has to do with their own religious beliefs–then I’m all for hearing it. Unfortunately for you religious zealots, this country and its laws are not defined by your personal religious beliefs. If you as a member of Faith X believe abortion is wrong because of Verse Y, guess what, it doesn’t matter. I do agree that partial-birth abortions need to be banned, but eliminating abortion altogether is not only unconstitutional, but it’s NOT UP TO YOU OR YOUR RELIGION TO DECIDE WHAT WOMEN ARE ALLOWED TO DO WITH THEIR OWN BODY, HEALTH, AND LIFE.
Pro Abortion:
It says in the Bible…One of the 10 commandmants..Thou shalt not kill. Frankly that is what abortion is. Christians have the responsiblity (also in the bible) to relay the truth. God commands us to. So I’m not really sorry that the truth offends anyone because not everyone liked what Jesus had to say either. It really saddens me to think that someone would want to get rid of such a wonderful gift from God. My 5 1/2 month old daughter is so beautiful and amazing. I am sorry for those women who believe that Abortion is the ONLY choice. My heart crys out for them because they will never get to enjoy the remarkable, amazing miracle of birth. They will never get to hold that baby that could’ve very well have been what turned their life around. God has a reason for everything even if it is an unplanned pregnancy.
I will be praying for everyone who still thinks abortion is a right.
JMN
Pro Abortion,
Here’s a quote from one of our Founding Fathers of America:
“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”
“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”
“I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.”
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]
I’m going to do something that I don’t do often: quote myself.
“If anyone here has the ability to make an anti-abortion argument without using the words “God” or “Bible”–or even mentioning anything that has to do with their own religious beliefs–then I’m all for hearing it.”
I have not read the previous two posts because upon a quick glance I noticed the very keywords I do not want to hear. Face it, without a religious argument, you can’t argue against abortion.
proabortion
actually, there are plenty of posts all over this site that do exactly what you ‘challenge’, and it’s really not that hard at all. for starters you might want to go to http://www.justthefacts.org, but i’m sure, like most proaborts, you will refuse to go to any site that
threatens to contradict your ‘a priori’ reasoning….
biologically, human life begins at fertilization. otherwise, what is fatherhood? when your father’s sperm combined with your mother’s egg, your life began. everything you are now was present then – your personality, your hair color, eye color – everything. all you needed was time and nutrition. the baby in the womb is not part of the mother, but a distinctly seperate body, often with a different blood type.
at three weeks after conception, there is a heart beating, at six weeks, there are brain waves. before a woman even knows she’s pregnant, the baby’s life is well under way. this is all unarguable and easily verified.
now that we’ve established basic seventh grade biology, let’s move on to the crux of the matter. the answers to these three questions are what determines whether or not you are closer to a barbarian than a moral human being.
1) should it be legal for one member of the human family to decide that another member of the human family should not live, but be killed?
(if you answered yes, then you are closer to barbarian than human. notice i said “one member”, so capital punishment wouldn’t be mentioned in reply, since that’s a jury of one’s peers deciding whether a criminal should receive a death sentence or not)
2) should a mother be allowed to contract with someone to have her child killed?
(if you answer yes, again, you more closely resemble a barbarian than a human being)
3) should that child have basic legal protection under the law?
(if you answered no, then you are definitely lacking in basic moral human attributes, and are more closely aligned with a barbarian point of view.)
there you go, proabortion – irrefutable arguments showing that your fallacious reasoning is embarassingly dull and void of anything resembling a thought process. your quote about
“WHAT WOMEN ARE ALLOWED TO DO WITH THEIR OWN BODY, HEALTH, AND LIFE” is completely nullified by the basic facts. for one, the baby’s body is a seperate entity. secondly, the health (physical, moral, emotional) of the woman is more often endangered by abortion than the other way around, but even still, abortion kills a living human being, and that is wrong in any civilized society. thirdly, for you to use the word “life” is pretty laughable, and i won’t even bother to comment on the obvious moral bankruptcy of that reasoning. even you should be able to see how empty your thought process must be to use that word, when i’ve already proven to you that the unborn is ALIVE.
I believe in choice,but what I saw here was a web page full of murder.
The cure is preventitive.
dan
your posts are of great interest, although short and sweet.
because if you connect the dots, you must come to the conclusion that the ‘choice’ is made PRIOR to a pregnancy. and this is where ‘prevention’ comes into play.
after a woman becomes pregnant, the ‘choice’ becomes something entirely different indeed, as these pictures silently and graphically testify.
Pro life supporters are constantly reminding everyone that they should have the right to do with their bodies what they wish. I agree. But where they are getting confused is that a human fetus, although supported by maternal properties, is a completely seperate human entity upon fertilization. When an egg is fertilized it has, within hours, all the genetic material it will have as an adult. It is not part of a womans body. The human fetus contains a completely seperate genetic code than that of its mother. Science alone will tell you that its impossible for one person can not carry, as an individual, two sets of DNA and RNA codes. As far as the Pro-Life statement of belief in the mothers choice goes, they made their choice when they had unprotected sex. They are adults. If they do not want to get pregnant they know how to prevent it. Killing their baby is not an acceptable way to cover their bad CHOICE. A human fetus IS a complete human being. It just needs time to grow. God bless you all.
wayne
your comments are correct, except that you refer to prolife, when you really mean proabortion. i assume that was just an oversight on your part.
abortion is wrong, i agree on that.
but what happens if the baby you’re
going to have has Ruebella syndrome & will
spend its life blind, deaf and severely mentally retarded?? is that really the life you want for your child?? what if you give your baby AIDS?? is that something you’d like your child to live with??
I think that some people judge without knowing the whole truth and that’s wrong because, if you’ve never been in a situation like that, who are you to say if it’s wrong or not??
i agree, tho, that, if you’re pregnant and you don’t want the baby, rather give it up for adoption than abort it……abortions are gruesome and tests PROVE that babies in the FIRST trimester can feel when they’re being aborted! Even watched the Silent Cry??
I HAD AN ABORTION AND IT WASNT BECAUSE I DIDNT WANT MY BABY. I WAS RAPED BY A BUY THAT LIVED NEXT DOOR TO ME. I WAS 13 YEARS OLD WHEN THIS HAPPENED. I GOT PREGNANT AND PLANNED ON KEEPING MY BABY EVEN THOGH I WAS ONLY 13 YEARS OLD, BUT I AM ANNEMIC AND I BECAME SO ILL THAT THE DOCTOR TOLD ME THAT MY BABY HAD NO CHANCE FOR SURVIVAL, BUT IF I CONTINUED WITH THE PREGNANCY I COULD DIE AS WELL. SO I HAD AN ABORTION. I AM 17 YEARS OLD NOW. I THINK ABOUT THE CHOICE I MADE AND IT SADDENS ME BUT I DONT REGRET IT. IF I WOULD’VE CARRIED MY ALREADY DEAD BABY TO TERM I WOULD HAVE DIED IN THE PROCESS AND WOULD’NT BE A MENTOR FOR YOUNG GIRLS THAT HAVE BEEN RAPED. I WOULD’VE LET HIM WIN BY BECOMING A VICTIM TO HIS HORRIFIC CRIME. I AM PROUD THAT I CAN BRING ENCOURAGEMENT TO YOUNG RAPE VICTIMS DESPITE BEARING THE PAINFUL SCARS ON HEART,BODY,AND SOUL.
Ever see the picture of a child who starved to death or was beaten to death? They can be far more gory than what this site has to offer.
Sometimes having an abortion can be more merciful then forcing a destitute or resentful women to birth.
But I guess around these parts life is about quantity and not quality… sad…
charlotte
i think it’s far more sad for someone to be so morally bereft as to actually believe that slaughtering a child in cold blood and tossing its broken body into some dumpster is “merciful”.
the sickness of your views is embarassing. for one thing, how do you know that a child killed by abortion would not go on to be the one who would eventually find a cure for cancer? or for aids? the arrogance of your assumptions is mind boggling. the death of any child, whether from abuse or some other cause is sad, but to play God and decide that you or i can determine the fitness of each life to live, is nothing short of morally bankrupt.
saddened
i regret to inform you that in all likelihood, you have bought a standard lie. the doctor who told you that you needed an abortion lied to you.
abortion is almost never necessary to save a life.
former surgeon general c everett koop, a pediatrician by trade, said that in 36 years of delivering babies, he had never once been faced with a situation where it was necessary to kill the child in order to save the mother.
i’m sorry for your pain, but don’t accept the lie that you have been sold. abortion kills, and the strong likelihood is that you would’ve fared just fine through the pregnancy with decent prenatal care. i urge you to seek out some good postabortion counseling, and instead of trying to justify your decision and talk other girls into the same thing, talk to people who genuinely know about this matter. some doctors will push for abortion because they don’t want to be bothered with any sort of difficult pregnancy (afraid of some ambulance chaser like john edwards suing them for everything they’ve got) and due to your age, there would’ve been a need for good prenatal care. so they promote the abortion option when it’s not in your best interest, and certainly not in the child’s.
http://www.afterabortion.org
http://www.helpafterabortion.com
http://www.optionline.org
http://www.lifeissues.org
i am 15 years old an i know aboprtion is wrong i didnt need to be told that i know in my mind the heartless slaughter of babies is wrong an i know the people that did this are going away
I think that those pictures are gross!
Like why would anyone get an abortion.. like they did it? they should have known the risks of getting pregnent, now there killing a living thing because of there mistake!
Those pictures were the most grossest disterbing things I have ever seen!
you are are stupid idiots. Abortion is a woman’s right. Some women’s lives could be ruined by an unplanned pregnancy, and abortions save them. There are enough babies born each day anyway. Go to hell all of you. tree huggers
Leave it all to Allah, He creates life and takes life. Do your bit and let Him handle the rest and everything willl go well and as planned.
xxx
God Bless
i believe that if you choose to open your legs that it is best for you to care for that baby its not right for you to just think about aborting it your making a big mistake by doing that…i could understand it if a family member has abuse you in that certain way or you’ve been through rape or something than yea maybe that would be a thing where you could think about aborting or giving it up for adoption but i think that if you open your legs and you have a kid it is best for you to keep it or just adopt it no questions askd
This One Goes Out To All The Idoits Who Write In Saying Abortion Is Okay.
(i use the word idots freely)
This Is A Website That Is AGAINST Abortion.
If You Are Going To Write In And “Express” Your Feelings,GO TO A WEBSITE THAT CARES!!!
WE Don’t Care What Your Think Cus WE Are Right!
Abortion Is Wrong, It Is Murder!!!
I Am Sick And Tired Of People Say That It’s A “Fetus”, Not A Baby.
And Bob I Do Think I Am Superior To All Who Think Abortion Is “Okay.”
First Off Women Have A Choice Not To Have Sex, And Girls My Age Have A Choice Not To Mess Around!
If A Girl Was Raped, There Is Adoption.
If A Girls Life Was In Danger, It Is The Only Way.
But It Does Not Make It Okay.
Aren’t You Glad That Your Mother Did Not KILL You?
You Think That The Baby Is Not Alive,
And Thats A Load Of Crap.
Ya’ll Need To Get Saved, Bad.
I think that people should NOT have abortions or do anything to harm that baby if you dont want it then there are people out there that cant have a baby and would like to and would possibly want yours so think twice before you kill an innocent little baby who has no idea why you choose to do such a bitchy thing like that, All you people that have had abortions F**** you and i hope that god punches you hard for your choice.
Abortion doesn’t save women, Jesus does. Saying someone is stupid for having an opinion is wrong.
We’re not tree huggers, we’re baby lovers. I am really sad that there are still people out there that think abortion is the only solution. God Help the people who think abortion is a healthy choice.
I crack up at the comment that all children are created out of love. Tell that to a rape victim who is beaten to within an inch of her life as well as left pregnant by some monster who is anything but God-like. Of course, I’ve seen your little “truth truck” and you have succeeded in making God out to be a monster. Make up your damn mind….. is he an all-loving, all-caring God or is he a condemning,brutal creator that will make all who disobey suffer for all eternity.
It is those who willingly do not accept God that are condemned. Those who accept him and repent even after an atrocious act such as abortion will still be accepted into Heaven. He loves his kids and wants them all to be happy and realizes that as humans we are flawed from the beginning,it is our decisions that cause us to suffer…NOT GOD!!! so quit trying to act so damn perfect and use God’s wrath as an excuse to scare people.
Murder or not, it will continue for many more years, so just accept it.
And one more thing, as far as our founding fathers go…dont trust much of what they said. You cant put too much stock into what a bunch of rich, womanizing, land-grabbing, slave owners have to say about equal rights, freedom, and the pursuit of happiness.
To Lee,
Is there anyone you won’t exploit in your efforts to legitimize your part in the torturing to death of over 1,000,001 innocent children a year, and to try to delegitimize those trying to stem the crimson tide as America’s innocent lifeblood courses down the drains of her deathcamps, a.k.a. “abortion clinics”? .
There’s certainly no double standard on focusing one’s main efforts to help ones fellow man on those members of society who are most helpless, and in most imininent danger, except in your reprobate imagination.
If you’re so concerned about the death penalty, why aren’t you opposed to the execution of these innocent ones…with NO CHARGE, NO JUDGE, NO JURY, NO TRIAL, NO APPEAL…and, generally, NO STAY OF EXECUTION. Some people believe that the death penalty is a valid tribute to the sanctity of life, on the grounds that if someone commits murder and is apprehended, to make him/her “answer” with less than his/her own life devalues the victim’s life, and thus all human life; but the people who believe that way are most adamant about there being a fairly tried, proven capital crime as a reason for the execution. We do not believe that the innocent should be executed for someone else’s crime (rape, for instance), or that merely existence should be deemed a capital offense!
As for our alleged indifference to abused children who have already been born, were you aware that post-natal child abuse has increased about 800% since Roe v. Wade stripped away a societal taboo against harming the weak and helpless, among other ways that legalized abortion has been documented to contribute significantly and directly to that increase?
Or do you care? I think you’re just taking these groups of living people as emotional hostages to bolster your complicity in the murder of the unborn. On the offchance that I have misjudged you, do check out messengers2.com…especially on the matter of abortion and post-natal child abuse. I’m sure you will find it very informative and inspiring…
Cheers,
Ugh, I think I’m gonna vomit. How can ANYONE support a procedure that produces something like THAT! How can you justify it? Really, how? Are you telling me that these babies are worth nothing more than the trash they get thrown out with? How low have we become, how worthless has human life become? I am sickened to be a part of ANY race that would condone such abominations, especially humanity.
*signature* I am anti-abortion! You shall not mock my God, you shall not silence my message, you will STOP KILLING HIS CHILDREN!
If there are so many of us for pro-life why can’t we do anything to stop it. It has been a big issue for so many years, now is the time to unite and stop this horrible act. Alone we may not be able to do anything, but united we can do everything. Please, it is a call for action. here is a website to visit.
http://www.protect-life.org Believe
Here is something to think about
6 died – california mudslides
2,986 killed – September 11th
221,100 killed- tsunami tragity
68 million killed – Abortions
The only difference is, nobody mentions the 68 million.
“A call for Action”
mike
the gospel according to mike, eh?
funny, but your kind of theology is nowhere to be found in scripture. your god is not the God of the Bible. your god is the one you see in the mirror each day.
but besides being Biblically illiterate in the extreme, you also have demonstrated that you are historically ignorant as well. our founding fathers were noble people who sacrificed or were willing to sacrifice everything they had to found this country. and we owe them a huge debt of gratitude. (you might want to look that word up in the dictionary – i doubt you’ve ever used it in a sentence before, based on your childish, dull, and embarassingly simplistic historical and religious meanderings.)
in short, mike, do your homework before you post again and make an even bigger fool of yourself than you’ve already done. (if that’s possible…)
Bwah Hahahahahaha Burn you prolife b*tches, I shall come down from the nth dimension and burn you all to smithereens. I take joy in the act of unbridled destruction. God hates you all, that’s why he sent me. Bwah hahahahahaha enjoy the mindless head f*ck sensation this gives you.
“this is not a place to verbally attack ORW or it’s supporters.”
Well, guess it helps when you have an inbred retard running your stupid country. You know something? I hope every religion disappears on this planet. Because it all stinks. You’re all the same, you bunch of goddamned hypocrites. What next, a woman should be a slave to the kitchen? You backward, medieval b*stards make me laugh my face off. I’ll have you b*tches sucking Uday and Qusay’s p*nises down in Hell! Bye Bye and hope you die. Of cancer. Or something just as horrible.
Oh yeah, this message would have been more rude, but it seems some idiot anti-censorship Christians (you all officially suck) don’t like a bit of swearing. Pull your heads out of your bottoms!
Catholicforlife says “I am anti-abortion! You shall not mock my God, you shall not silence my message, you will STOP KILLING HIS CHILDREN!”
Well, guess what? I’m anti-religion. I don’t like people. And I want to kill you. By driving a cross through your heart. How ironic would that be (oh, I forget, stupid inbred over-religious prolifers have no concept of the word “irony”. Idiots).
I know, if this debate is so f***ing contentious, why not have SEX EDUCATION CLASSES that teach you idiots HOW TO USE CONTRACEPTION PROPERLY? None of this rubbish about sodding abstinence or abortion, LEARN HOW TO USE A CONDOM PROPERLY. I’m just so f***ing sick and tired of this puerile stupidity when there is such a simple solution. Oh, but I guess all the Pro-lifers are just going to say (whiney dog voice) “You’re killing nine million babies!”. OK, what about the 9 million or so “babies” that seem to “die” when a guy/woman decides to masturbate? EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT??? Gee, I must be a mass murderer then (!) But of course, if the two sex cells DON’T come together, you can’t have a new individual created. It really is that simple, BUY A RUBBER AND USE IT, THERE IS NO SHAME IF YOU DON’T WANT TO END UP GETTING PREGNANT! You know something? Stupid people like you lot shouldn’t be allowed to have sex, you’re only filling the planet with more idiots.
Oh yeah, to all those invoking God’s name, I have a message from him – QUIT WITH IT! He doesn’t like any of you, and would love the chance to send you to hell.
I am a christian, however I have a tough time taking a stance on abortion. Most christians would view this issue as purely one of life and not politics, however I feel that we must be respectful of one another’s views in society as well. Our government needs a clear separation of church and state, so that means that Christianity should not govern over the United States, but it could mean elected officials are influenced by their beliefs, morals, etc. Just think if our great nation became a theocracy such as Iran at present or medieval Europe. We built this nation (with many mistakes however) on a premise of freedom to practice religion and the separation of that religion from activities of the state.
Getting back to the issue of abortion… on the one hand I know I am personally against abortion. I do not feel people should lead promisuous (sp?) lifestyles either. But does this mean that I should legislate my beliefs on another? I think Jesus would want me to set an example and live my life lovingly. WWJD? Jesus would say… well yes, it is sin to commit abortion, but it’s a sin to say the s word after stubbing one’s toe as well. A sin is a sin. Motivated people will ultimately choose what to do regardless of restrictions (within reason). The best way to stop such “sins” as my own personal beliefs would view.. would be to preach the love of life that Christians have. Christians have gotten lost in a political battle over life instead of focusing on the spiritual side of life. In a sense I feel as though we have forgotten what we were fighting for. Some people will just never be won over. They will not agree with christian beliefs or values. We live in a diverse nation with many religions, (or no religion), and that should be people’s right to choose what to believe, what not to believe, how to act, etc.
Forcing one’s beliefs onto another through legislation of “wedge” type issues only enrages pro-choice leaning people to hate your religion. Thus the preaching of Jesus’ acceptance of all people (religions, races, etc) and a willingness to open up the kingdom of god to them through his grace no matter if they’ve sinned or been “lost” in the past (possibly even committing an act of abortion). The best way to protect and promote life is to lead by example, lead by the example of Jesus Christ, not to legislate restrictions on what people can or can not do.
That was my first thought on abortion – personally against, politically “allowing” (I wouldn’t want to say I’m all for it, but I just don’t think it should be illegally federally… now if people in individual states wanted to legislate that may be a whole other argument altogether).
Another problem I see with putting restrictions on abortion are the penalties involved. Would women go to jail or just the doctor’s who perform them? This is sort of a side/aftereffect question that lingers in my mind although it does not effect my personal view on abortion.
I apologize to atheists and members of other religions reading this website who are probably angry because they haven’t read anything but “in this bible verse” etc. to justify a pro-life stance. For christians the bible is the true word of God in all senses you must understand, and therefore what it says is what goes. Conception is the beginning of life to christians and therefore “though shall not murder” would include abortions. Many christians are not willing to seperate their personal beliefs from the laws of our nation. Granted our nation is majority of christians, but as I outlined above, for myself personally I feel as though the country loses the foundation of its building if we legislate majority religion on the rest of the nation.
For those looking for a secular argument against abortion (instead of merely one based in the teachings/beliefs outlined in the bible) I have actually thought of this too…. seeing if I could justify a pro-life stance outside the realm of religion.
Scientifically, life could be defined as the formation of an embryo, zygote, blastosphere, down to the first meeting of the sperm and egg (conception). If this is life… then wouldn’t our laws protect the lives of unborn? Although not yet born they are still alive, and therefore performing an abortion is a taking of that life. This is a tricky argument that gets into microanalyzing where life truly begins, and are those recombining cells actually a life? Who can define such questions? It’s a tougher argument to sell, but I actually don’t find this to be such a bad argument personally… for a secular argument against abortion anyway.
I guess my argument is, I wish Christians could be pro-life and express their views strongly, but go about it in a venue other than our Court system. The more Christians ally themselves with EITHER or ANY political party… Democrats, Reform, Republicans, etc… the more corrupted our religion and the message of Jesus becomes and the more we will find people persecuting rather than accepting Christianity.
For the record, I am a member of the LCMS but also attend evangelical services as well (when I want a more contemporary service) fluctuate (am undecided) between pro-life and pro-choice for abortion but stand firmly behind being anti-death penalty even though my religion clearly allows for it. However, that’s another argument altogether.
TC
to paramour-er, “paladin”,
In case it somehow got by your trademark abundance of “common sense”, there is a notice on this comment board that it is not a place to attack ORW or it’s supporters. What part of that do you not understand?
Speaking of puerile stupidity, though, permit me to relieve you of some of your overage of that:
Condoms have an abysmal failure rate at preventing pregnancy and AIDS both. This is known to Planned Parenthood; a recent study rated some two dozen brands of condoms and found that those rated the poorest in quality were the brands favored by PPFA. Contrary to their claims, they don’t want to prevent teen pregnancy; they want to “prevent” as many live births (regardless of the age of the child’s parents) as possible. If they wanted to prevent teen pregnancy, they’d be pushing chastity for all they’re worth, because IT WORKS EVERY TIME IT’S TRIED, unlike condoms, pills, shots, etc.
Trusting PP’s “birth control” methods to prevent pregnancy is about as smart as trying to put out a forest fire by dousing it with gasoline.
Condoms are for suckers & sissies who want sex without taking responsibility for the natural consequences of that activity; parenthood is not. Wake up and grow up, if just for the novelty; you’ll find that the world will keep turning, and that you’ll enjoy it even more, but in a very different way.
All the best!
P.S. to paladin,
I think you mistakenly passed on a message to us that God intended for you: quit invoking His name. Granted, we are all sinners and justly deserving of His displeasure and wrath; but if He wanted to send us all to hell, why does He plainly say, “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE…FOR GOD SENT NOT HIS SON INTO THE WORLD TO CONDEMN THE WORLD, BUT THAT THE WORLD, THROUGH HIM, MIGHT BE SAVED”. You cannot claim to speak for God and contradict what He has already said about Himself…that seems just common sense, doesn’t it, ‘pal’?
i would like to point out that God does not create babies people haing sex creates babies. and if people want to adopt babies more power to them. but if people want to abort their babies i also say more power to them. i am 16 years old i dont believe in orgainzed reigion and i do believe there is a God and God gave us the power of choice. if somebody wants to have an abortion-let them because gave us the power of choice. and Some of you will respond with God said thou shalt not kill. yes i agree with that but he gave us free will for a reason let us exercise that right. no one has the the right to take away the power of choice. i am sorry but some of you just need to chill out. here is a storymy ex-boyfriend is a great and wonderful guy his mom had an abortion while she was in high school and then a few months later(like 3 months) got pregnant with him. if his mom had not had that abortion he wouldn’t be here. Exercise your own rights like the right to protest but leave other peoples right alone.
lydia,
It’s so easy to be poor-’choice’, isn’t it…as long as you aren’t the one ‘chosen’?!
God’s having given us such volition as He has does not mean that He approves of abuses of that gift, any more than you would approve of your ex-boyfriend “choosing” to beat you over the head with a carved walking stick you gave him as a gift; or, if you gave him some money in a bind, and he spent it on some girl you didn’t even know he was seeing…you get the idea. And, how do you know that, had his ex-sibling been allowed to live, you might not have fallen even more head over heels in love with that person? Your wonderful ex-boyfriend is not better off for having had a sibling murdered, and it is awfully selfish of you to justify the murder of an innocent child for your own pleasure…but then, that is what proaborts generally do.
Just because babies are typically (with only One Exception in history, up to modern times, which are only manipulations with the original plan) made by people having sex, it does not follow that God is therefore out of the process. He created us male and female and planned procreation to work the way it does, but procreation is also co-creation with Him of a unique, new human life, created for purposes known only to Him.
You say that “no one has the right to take away the power of choice” — would you support, then, laws allowing rapists to excercise their “power of choice”? Murder always takes away the victim’s power of choice; and every child killed by abortion is a murder victim, even if — as is very rare– his/her mother actually made a free, fully informed “choice” in the matter. Because not every behavioral option is good for society, some are outlawed. If we saw someone assaulting you, would you want us to “chill out and allow him/her to exercise his/her right to choose”? What if your assailant was about to rip off your head, your limbs, stab you in the back of the neck to suck your brains out, pickle & burn you alive in a solution that feels a lot like napalm…like abortionists do to little baby boys and girls? And, since you are only 16, it would have been legal for them to do so to you…16 years ago…and they’d have laughed all the way to the bank with the bloodmoney they made torturing you to death. Yes, you. For if the foetus you were then had been killed in utero, the young woman you are now would not be here. Good thing someone disallowed that “choice”, isn’t it?! You obviously think so…
Oh, and that reminds me! Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who invented the phrases “freedom of choice”, “right to choose”, & some other slogans of the proabortion movement, knew how cynical, deceptive, and cruel they were; but he had to think of some way to sell a holocaust to a significant portion of a nation categorically opposed, for the most part, to it. But it was never, from the point of view of the population planners and eugenists behind it, about a woman’s right to choose, but a doctor’s “right” to kill, and a government’s “right” to systematically destroy human life according to whim.
Wake up.
To Paula, I’m not sure which circumstances you mean. Do I think it’s permissable to get an abortion because the baby was conceived by rape?
No, I don’t. I don’t think it’s right to punish an innocent baby for a crime someone else committed, or to execute anyone for a non-capital offense.
I also do not believe that a woman should be further endangered and violated because she is a rape victim. The circumstances under which a child is conceived may be more or less risky in themselves, but they do not mitigate the serious dangers to women posed by induced abortion.
As has been said before, but seems to bear repeating here, an abortion is not a reproductive reset button. It is, rather, a traumatic violation of a part of a woman’s physiological makeup which countless women have found to be rigourously unforgiving of shoddy treatment, let alone violent assault. For more on that, please go to lifedynamics.com and read the entire Blackmun Wall; see also afterabortion.org.
In addition to being a grave miscarriage of justice, abortion in the case of rape also constitutes, generally, a serious obstruction of justice as well, since it destroys material evidence/ the star witness against the alleged rapist. This makes it much more likely, of course, that rapists whose rape-children are aborted will go on raping other women…
You mention that your friend is deeply religious. Studies indicate that if a woman has deep-seated reservations/objections to abortion for any reason, including her moral/ religious convictions, the psychological aftermath of abortion will be even worse for her than for a woman who has no such ‘scruples’.
Are you asking whether or not a child should be killed because of a fear that (s)he might be the Anti-Christ? I don’t think so! As evil as the Anti-Christ is/will be, I don’t think that either a.) we will be able to prevent his coming into the world, or that
b.)that is a valid reason to kill a baby. If there is evidence that the child is demonized (is inhabited or possessed by demons, not ‘demonized’ as a synonym for ‘castigated’, as it’s currently used) after birth, I would naturally recommend exorcism by an experienced, competent minister of such deliverance over killing the child.
I have heard proaborts try to argue that abortion is justified because the child might “be another Hitler”, etc., and must confess that I find this claim especially baffling, since:
1.) Hitler was, himself, strongly proabortion (unless, of course, the mother & child were both ‘pure Aryan’), and his views were, of course, imposed–brutally and fatally– upon millions of victims throughout Eastern Europe under the Third Reich, as similar ones are imposed, just as brutally, fatally, and unjustly, by Tiller & allies in the U.S. now.
2.) Hitler had, and made, some evil choices; but he made them after he had been born; it would not have been right to kill him before birth, otherwise why not kill everybody as a preemptive measure?!
A prolifer I know, some years ago, found herself seated next to a PP ‘deathscort’ at a concert performed by a world-class mezzo-soprano. Several months later, their paths crossed again at the local PP death chamber. As the deathscort proceeded to berate my friend with all the usual pro-death tropes & insults, she turned to him as said something like, “Well, sir, seeing how you are so enlightened, and I am, in your view,so benighted, perhaps you would be good enough to explain to me just how it is that, as a patron of the arts, you manage to ensure that PP, in it’s ostensible quest to separate the “cream of the crap” from the “cream of the crap” of humanity, does not reduce the next generation of world-class mezzos to little shreds of chopped meat before any of them ever draws a breath? Since these gifts aren’t necessarily hereditary, do you hold prenatal auditions, and other talent competitions? How DOES this work?
At that, the deathscort fumed silently, eyes glaring, stomped up the sidewalk, turned his escort apron in to PP, left, and has never been seen there since…
In the more than 50 million Americans (not to mention billions more worldwide) killed by induced abortions (both legal and illegal)in the past 35 years, it is highly improbable that one of them was, in fact, the anti-Christ; it is much more likely that we have killed off that many artists, carpenters, doctors (real ones)and other health care providers, taxi drivers, writers, teachers, technicians of all sorts, waiters, waitresses, meterreaders, inventors, pastors, counselors,…you get the idea. Yes, I think crime should be punished…but only AFTER it is committed, proven, and justly processed.
Hope this helps,
How can some babys born well so e babys are born sosososososososo smal that you can put it in your hand like one picture its up there?
Just because you have an abortion does not mean you will go to hell.
I have some news for you
JESUS FORGIVES
I HATE ABORTION and it is not right under any circumstances. If you are not ready to take care of a child then you SHOULD NOT HAVE SEX. There is something that teens and adults need to learn and that is SELF CONTROL
Kelsey,
Not so fast. Not all post-abortive women get the chance to repent; some of them don’t live long enough after abortion.
For many, the abortion is the open door to hell on earth; and some try to find the way out of that hell in suicide.
Whether that hell lasts into eternity…better yet, DON’T GO THERE. There are chances worth taking; that’s not one of them.
You are sick people! placing that kind of photo’s on the internet, so sick! I think it is a personal decision, there is no right or wrong. It is your body! And what if you are raped? do you want to have a child you can never love because his father raped you? how are you going to explain that… better not to have a child then a child you can never love and give the attention it needs!
Odette,
No, what’s sick is to hide the vital truth about what abortion is, and does, from those whose lives are at risk, which is any and everyone considering getting an induced abortion. It’s even sicker, upon being confronted with that truth, to oppose those who are exposing the truth, rather than those who are perpetrating the vile, heinous, brutality the pictures expose.
You say that there is no right or wrong when it comes to the use one makes of his/her own body, yet you descry rape…on what grounds? After all, it is the rapists choice to use his own body to impose his will on that of his victim…just like abortion is the abortionist’s choice to use his/her body to impose his/her will, fatally, on his/her victim.
While I know noone who would consider rape an optimal beginning for a child or for motherhood, there are serious problems with using it to justify induced abortion, aside from the obvious one just stated.
Most thinking people of conscience have a serious problem with capitally punishing the VICTIM(S)of a crime instead of the perpetrator(s). Abortion in the case of rape brutally murders an innocent child on account of the crime of someone else, and so is a grave miscarriage of justice. It further endangers the first rape victim, the mother. Induced abortion is at least 400% more dangerous than childbirth, and that figure is not mitigated by the circumstances under which the child was conceived. If anything, the emotional aftermath may be worse; some women who became pregnant by rape and “chose” abortion said later that the abortion was a violation worse than the rape.
If one is really against rape, then one would certainly want to do all one could to bring the rapist to justice, so as to make the streets (or whatever venue he considers his “turf”) safer for women. There is a much better chance of that if the star witness (you have heard of DNA/ paternity tests and the like, haven’t you?)isn’t conveniently reduced to a little pile of chopped meat and flushed down a disposal, cremated, or otherwise obliterated some way, somewhere. So now we have obstruction of justice as well…
Your argument that it is “better not to have a child than [to have] a child you can never love and give the attention (s)he needs” is narcissistic in the extreme, like the Beatle’s line, “I’d rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man…” (Run For Your Life). Jealousy is, as the Bible attests, as cruel as the grave; and in concert with narcissistic immaturity, produces that manic control freak mentality that says, “If I can’t have you, nobody can”…to hell with what’s best for you! The humane thing to do is, of course, to give the child (or the woman, as in the current Schiavo case) the chance to be cared for by those who CAN love, and give the needed attention, to him/her.
Your claim that a mother cannot love a child conceived in rape is also false. It may be difficult, and it may be in the best interests of both mother and child that the child be placed with an adoptive family; but some other women who became pregnant by rape and not only chose life for the child, but chose to keep and raise that child themselves, found that they loved those children very much, and were greatly loved by them in return. I think the key to that is simply to face the fact that the rape wasn’t the child’s fault. Once that transferred blame, angst, etc., is off the child (as it should be), then the natural maternal instincts to love and protect the child are loosed and let go, for the benefit of both parties concerned.
Interesting name, Odette. It’s a pretty name, rather unusual. It calls to mind the bewitched heroine of the ballet “Swan Lake”. An evil enchantment by a sorcerer turns her into a swan by day, and limits her humanity to manifest only between the hours of midnight and dawn. Only the pure, committed love of a prince can free her to resume her humanity.
She’s a lot like all of us, in that the fall of man has limited our own experience of what it is to be in the image of God, and be all we were meant to be, as humans. Only the sinless, sacrificial love of Christ can break that curse, and restore us to fellowship with Him Who is, to all who will receive Him, Advocate, Kinsman-Redeemer, Healer, Sustainer and Provider, Gracious Saviour, and Great Shepherd.
In the struggle for Odette’s freedom, Odette finds herself, on the brink of her salvation, supplanted by Odile, an “evil twin” of her created by the sorcerer to seduce her prince into infidelity, and thus abort his mission to free not only Odette, but all the other maidens likewise cursed and under his thralldom. In most versions of that ballet, the roles of Odette and Odile are both performed by the same dancer.
We can never make Christ to fail in His mission; His last words were, “IT IS FINISHED”. But our own complicity with evil can separate us, in experience, from Him, and, in a sense, abort the blessing he wants us to have and to be to others. He stands ready to change you from Odile into the fully redeemed, fully human, Odette from the inside out (it’s not just a matter of changing from a black feathered tutu & headpiece into a white one!)– don’t play the role of your own worst enemy! I know those 32 fouettes can be challenging, heady and exhilarating, but they can also be exhausting, and you don’t want to lose the flowers of life to the fireworks of seduction.
All the best,
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Thankyou in advance.
I just thought that I would write to kind of vent how i am feeling about the whole abortion thing. I think in someways it’s good, and some ways it’s bad. Before I was like most of you that have posted… I didn’t believe in it, that is until I came to a point where I could either go one way or the other way. I had an unplanned pregnancy, and the father of the child had just had a baby.. and I know excuses are crappy, but that is what i told myself to help me get through it. It’s a painful process, and I have regreted everday since then. I know now that children are a gift from God and shouldn’t be taken for granted. I took the easy way out, and if I could do it all over again, I would- but I can’t. I got pregnant later on in that year and in October of 2003 I gave birth to a beautiful little boy who is my heart… and by heart i mean my whole heart. I think that it is sick and sad to wait until the last minuet to have it done.. but what we all have to remember is that it isn’t our job to judge anyone.. that it is up to God to do so- and a womans choice is a womans choice. I just hope that if someone is concidering it… just keep this in mind.. think it out.. because i didn’t and i regret it.. there isn’t a day that goes by in the past 3 years that i haven’t thought about that baby. Abortion is not a means of birth control. And i think that is what a lot of people my age think that it is.. and it’s not fair to that baby… it’s not.. who are we to decide to take something, or someone’s life? we aren’t.
well that is my piece.
Hanna,
Just read your piece, and it is full of holes big enough to drive a train through. Not, however, a consistent train of thought. To mention but a few objections to your obsolete, convoluted mantras:
re: Adam and Eve, giving them faculty of volition did (and does)not ipso facto grant them carte blanche to do whatever they want (or thought they wanted; their choice to disobey was influenced very much by the serpent’s deliberate misinformation…)without consequences. Remember the story? Their “choice” had serious negative consequences, from which all creation still suffers. Any gift has a right use and a wrong use, and so can be used constructively or abused destructively. This includes volition, it also includes every other blessing there is…including children. You also conveniently overlooked the fact that every temptation to sin is an opportunity to choose righteousness, which is what God wants.
It isn’t up to you to determine who or what Christ will judge, under what circumstances, etc.; that is His call. He has, however, shed some light on the subject; Governments are ordained by Him to protect righteousness and punish evil (Romans 13:1-6, often distorted to justify dictatorships such as the Third Reich, etc.) And everyone is commanded to do to others as (s)he would be done by in their circumstances; to rescue those known to be in harm’s way, especially those unjustly drawn away to death. (Proverbs 24:11,12, etc.)
“We don’t live in a theocracy”…no, we don’t. We live in a skeleton of a constitutional republic that is fast being devoured by predators who want to turn the U.S. into a secularist, socialist, satanic state that will be very much like an anti-theocracy, an atheocracy, where might rules, not compassion, or justice, or legitimate liberty. For a look at what this looks like in practice, go visit either the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum…or some of the unliberated Middle East.
One thing all secularist societies have in common is mass graves…of which the U.S. had been admirably free for sometime until Roe v. Wade revived that heinous, barbaric, brutally oppressive and quintessentially anti-theist phenomenon.
You really don’t have a clue how many prolife activists are against the death penalty, do you? Yet you assume that all support it, and then proceed to call us all by names intended only to hurt people you don’t even know. The propensity of the poor-choice crowd to project their own faults onto others truly never ceases to amaze, and your comments on the death penalty bear this out afresh.
Unlike yourself, I have had actual conversations with several prolife activists and leaders about this topic. Some oppose the death penalty. Those who support it do so because, paradoxically, it flows out of a biblical, sanctity of life ethic, as long as it isn’t abused (misapplied say, to innocent, unborn babies, the disabled, the handicapped, political dissidents, etc…), but used to rid society of proven, deliberate threats to human life. This makes sense, if you (gasp!) think about it, rather than just parroting the prodeath party propaganda. If a person is murdered and the penalty for the murder is less than the murderer’s own life, then that says that the lives of victims are worth less than the life of the murderer. But if the murderer has to pay for taking his/her victim’s life with his/her own life, then there is equality of value and sanctity of life. I think on this point, it is actually you who are the hypocrite, seeing you are not “pro-choice” but anti-life. The only difference between your rabid support of capital punishment and the reasoned support of capital punishment among those pro-lifers who do support it is that they would have it applied to proven, convicted, murderers; you poor-choicers would have it applied to innocent little children, and other relatively innocent, vulnerable individuals.
If you cannot fathom bearing and raising a child, then keep your thighs together and don’t make one. You might also be interested to learn that this particular cliche is not new; “Don’t want one? don’t have one” was very popular among proponents of slavery.
As to “respecting the choices of others”…here is where your real anti-choice bias is at its most blatant! What about the choice of prolifers to protest, to warn the abortionist’s quarry of danger and offer her options (read, “choices”…)
If you were being gang raped at knife or gun point, robbed, otherwise assaulted, and someone had the guts to intervene on your behalf, would you tell them to get lost and “respect the choices” of the rapists, thieves, assailants? I doubt it.
More evidence of the falseness and hypocrisy of your poor-choice yack:
a) Women don’t want abortions like they want ice cream cones or Porsches, but like entrapped animals “want” to chew off their limbs. A shortsighted, self-destructive act of desperation is a forced “choice,” not a free choice. The fact that women so very rarely get pregnant on purpose so that they can get abortions, should have been your first clue here. Instead, abortion is the lynch pin on which they fall back when betrayed by the false sense of immunity, (though pregnancy is not a disease, as some misanthropes like to claim), they get from using artificial birth control. (DUH….!!!) This observation, originally made by prolife feminist Frederica Matthewes-Green is so basic that even Planned Parenthood could not gainsay it, and conceded it to her.
b) The babies get no choice. We’re told that one death camp has a sign up forbidding anti-abortion protesters from coming within about 20 feet of the property; yet, hypocritically, they allow unborn babies in the place all the time! Unborn babies are probably the most intense of anti-abortion protesters. Don’t think so? The film, “The Silent Scream” contains all the proof any thinking person of conscience needs of this, and it can be viewed online; so if you can read this, you can view that film.
c) The more live people there are to exercise their volition (in ways other than murdering and maiming their fellow human beings), the more choices will be made! Living people are so much more actively volitional than dead ones…or hadn’t you noticed that?!…or do you care about REAL freedom of choice? Abortion is murder, and murder is the ultimate negation of choice for its victim(s). (Mega-DUUUHHH…)
d) Tiller, Planned Parenthood & allies have fought, tooth and nail, against informed consent laws in every state where such legislation has been sponsored, introduced, and debated. Why, unless it is to prevent women from making an informed (gasp!) choice?
e) The man (!) most responsible for coining the proabort slogans, “pro-choice, freedom of choice, right to choose, reproductive freedom” (what a hoax, considering the vast numbers of women who cannot have children when they would choose to, due to abortion damages), etc., has long since admitted how cynical and false HE KNEW those slogans to be WHEN HE MADE THEM UP. The past 32 years of watching them destroy well over 50 millions lives (pre- and post-natal)have confirmed, not contradicted, his confession. It was never about a woman’s “right to choose,” but about granting legal sanction to a DOCTOR’S RIGHT TO KILL. You know, “doctors” like Mengele, Tiller, & cohorts.
f) The abortion industry’s deathscorts, barbed wire, bubble zones, refusal to allow young mothers to see their babies (or lack thereof) on ultrasound, suppression of vital information on abortion risks, consent/liability release forms, etc., ad nauseam, are all tactics to intimidate their quarry, “clients,” into the choice that best serves their bank account and social agenda, rather than the best interests of the mother and child whose lives are at stake. They are all used to paint the facade and buttress the LIE that they are the “safety zone,” and prolifers are the “threat to women.” This despite the fact that thousands of pregnant women have been injured, maimed, incapacitated, and killed INSIDE of LEGAL abortion chambers, while fewer than 10 have been injured/harmed OUTSIDE of them over the past 32 years. Further information documenting and promoting a more balanced perspective on these matters is available at abortionviolence.com and lifedynamics.com, the Blackmun Wall. Interested parties who have not already done so may also order and read the book LIME 5.
g.) The phrase, “a woman’s choice” is even more obviously false in view of the fact that of the billions of registered voters in the U.S. in 1973, exactly nine of them were permitted to vote on Roe v. Wade and it’s companion decision, Doe v. Bolton — and ALL of them were MEN!!!
Any initiative to put the matter before the voting public would be fought tooth and nail by these so-called “champions of choice”.
10.) Women who are not coerced into abortions by disappointed parents, irresponsible partners, etc., are often coerced/manipulated into them, physically and psychologically, by abortion profiteers. I have witnessed several women walking out of abortion chambers chased, intimidated, even physically manhandled and practially dragged back into the hellholes by “pro-choice” deathscorts, lest they make a (horrors!) CHOICE at variance with the abortionists’ financial interests and/or social-political agenda.
I couldn’t help wondering, further, whether or not you have ever spoken with any Chinese women about the “right to ‘reproductive choice.’”? They would, if asked, give you a perspective on that matter with which you are either unfamiliar, or callously indifferent, or both. No doubt it is an unpalatable and politically incorrect one, but a much more honest one than the one conveyed by prodeath propaganda. (Oh, and before you shrug that off with “Well, that’s just China”, which is certainly a genocidally racist attitude in itself, Ted Turner advocates a two-child-per- couple limit imposed here, and elsewhere. It’s just as draconian.
You might also gain a similar perspective talking with a friend of mine who, after having one child, was urged by her husband to abort a subsequent pregnancy. She told him, “It’s my body, my choice, our child, (though in this case, “it” proved to be twin boys) and the answer is NO.” She stuck by her guns, and none of them has ever regretted it since. Conversely, the vast majority of women who, swayed by similar rhetoric, have had their children killed, have heartily regretted having done so…but then, it is too late.
And anyone who has been involved in this battle, with both eyes open, for any length of time has witnessed the macabre spectacle of the young women marching so confidently into the death mills spouting slogans like “my body my choice”…then watched as they come out after the abortion; staggering, limping, crying, bleeding, white as sheets, weak, vomiting…and listened as many of them tell you, “you don’t understand, I HAD to do it”. Doesn’t sound like so much a choice as a very grim echo, does it?
In short, it has never been about a “woman’s right to choose”, but about the eugenicists’ “right” to impose their destructive, divisive, dangerous views, fatally, on innocent children and women in crisis, as well as society at large, with impunity. (the word “choose” is a transitive verb…but it’s uncanny how silent you proaborts fall when asked to state exactly WHAT it is that is “chosen”. Somehow, all this “autonomy, unlimited” become less appealing when it involves torturing innocent children,and others, to death, doesn’t it?)
Last, but not least, this nonsense about “As long as something is part of your body, you have every right in the world to decide if it should be or if it shouldn’t.”
In the first place, an unborn child is NEVER a part of the mother’s body. From conception on, (s)he is a unique human being with his/her own blood type, DNA. Unborn children not infrequently have different hair and eye color from their mothers, different gender (no mothers have male genitalia; but all except very rare deformed baby boys do), etc. (S)he is housed in her body for protection and nurture for a naturally limited period of development, but never an appendage of the mother (though some overprotective, overpossessive mothers may think otherwise).
Even if plausible scientific evidence could be shown that the baby is a part of the mother’s body, there are laws limiting what an individual can do with his/her own body. A woman cannot legally use her tongue to slander someone else. She cannot legally use her foot to accelerate her car to certain speeds in certain places. She cannot legally use her hand to assault someone who has not assaulted her first. She cannot legally sell her body as a prostitute in places where women are treated as better than chattel. She cannot legally immolate herself. There are laws against suicide (though these are being undermined by the euthanasia movement), so that if, in a low period, (as many post-abortive women experience) she begins to deliberate between “to be or not to be”, she cannot legally take herself out.
And, that’s a good thing. Suicide is as much an act of desperation as abortion. The trapped animal really does not, strictly speaking, want to maim himself or herself; (s)he wants out of the perceived danger; and it is certainly very cruel to suppose (or pretend, for one’s own gain) that because (s)he wants out of the crisis, that (s)he necessarily wants the most self-destructive way out of it.
Well, I’ve got to go now; but I can’t stand to see young women so duped by people who so despise them. Hope this helps shed some light; if you still prefer darkness though, … IF YOU’VE NOTHING POSITIVE TO DO, DON’T TO IT HERE!
Hanna,
Perhaps when you’ve had an education in tolerance and respect for the views of others, you can recommend it to others without throwing us into fits of laughter.
Wachet Auf’s response to your snitty, cruel post contained many valid points, to which your own anti-life bigotry has blinded you. Otherwise you might have engaged in real discussion of his or her very clear message, not just the ad hominem attack on the messenger that we’ve come to expect from prodeath advocates. Abortion kills so much more than a baby; it kills the minds, hearts, souls of everyone involved in it, and your posts are proof positive.
If you can read this, you received life support from someone; promote life support for others. It’s only fair.
Don’t forget about that education; you could really benefit from it; it might even save your life. More than one woman’s life has been saved by her protecting the life of the someONE, not “something”, in her womb, and thousands of more moms have lost their lives LEGALLY taking life from their unborn children.
Since you really get off on last lines in all caps, here’s another one:
IT’S REALLY NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. DEAL WITH IT.
to the McNutts,
Sorry to hear about Pat’s current ailments; don’t know much to suggest about sprains, and I’m sure that I don’t need to tell a father & uncle of 12 children and 8 grandchildren how to keep a common cold out of the “P-zone”. Praying for you all, and wishing Pat a speedy, full recovery.
In addition to your other remarks to less-than-honest “Abe” G., it seems only fair to allow the leaders of the Nazi party to speak to the issue of their secularism, just as you gave the floor to America’s founding fathers (and documents) on the issue of America’s alleged secularism.
Here, then, to set Mr. G’s remarks on the religious sympathies/aims of the Third Reich in a more accurate historical perspective, are the words of some of the leaders of the Nazi Party:
“National Socialism and religion cannot exist together…. The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the [Hebrew]. . . Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. . .Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. . . The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death…. Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity…. Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little…. We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.” — Adolpf Hitler, all.
Source: Hitler’s Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. first edition, 1953. The book was published in Britain under the title, Hitler’s Table Talk, 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
“By its decision to carry out the political and moral cleansing of our public life…the national Government sees in both Christian denominations [Catholic and Protestant] the most important factor for the maintenance of our society.” –Adolf Hitler, March 1933*
“The first step in the creation of their [Nazi] new indigenous church was to get rid of the “Old Testament with its {Hebrew} morality of rewards, and its stories of cattledealers and concubines.”*
“Christianity and Nazism are like fire and water. We must not yet say this openly. Outwardly we must not attack Christianity, we must be far more clever; we are not interfering with denominational matters, but with mathematical exactitude we will win the battle for ideology. We cannot say this to those who still believe…but there are times when these things can be said amongst us, sworn comrades.”
–Party speaker at school for party leaders, June 1936*
“WE NAZIS DEMAND A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN THE ENTIRE PUBLIC LIFE OF THE COUNTRY. What is the sense in still having Catholic associations of civil servants? We do not want Protestant or Catholic civil servants, we want German civil servants…We do not need a Catholic or a Protestant but only a German press. (NPR, PBS, etc.) The Catholic professional organizations and the Catholic youth organizations no longer fit into our age. They are often active in areas which the Nazi State claims for itself in the fulfillment of tasks. All these things are designed to disturb the unity of the German people, which Adolf Hitler created after fifteen years of struggle for the SOUL of Germany.” – Wilhelm Frick, Minister of the Interior* (caps added)
“In the long run the Church question is a question of the young people. This is not only a matter of their education through the Hitler Youth but also by their parents. The less the parents’ opposition is aroused on Church matters, the less they will inculcate in their children opposition to the teachings of the Hitler Youth.” — Rudolf Hess*
“The creation of an ideologically objective school system is one of the most important tasks of the Party and the State. In order to achieve this goal, the ramains of denominational [Christian] influence must be completely removed from our German education system wherever it still appears.” – Martin Borman*
“There is but one German people, and there can therefore be but one German youth. And there can be but one German Youth Movement, because there is but one way in which German Youth can be educated and trained. The handful of people, who perhaps still cherish within themselves the thought that, beginning with the youth, they will be able to divide the German nation again, will be disappointed. This Reich stands, and is building itself up anew, upon its youth. And this Reich will hand over its youth to noone, but will take its education and formation upon itself.” — Adolf Hitler, May 1 1937*
“The curriculum of all categories in our schools as already been so far reformed in an anti-Christian and anti-[Hebrew] spirit that the generation which is growing up will be protected from the black swindle (clergy). –Alfred Rosenberg, November 1938*
“My pedagogy is strict. Every weakness must be hammered out. In my new training schools, young people will grow who will shock the world. I want a powerful, masterly, cruel and fearless youth…They must be able to bear pain. There must be nothing weak or tender about them…the wild beast must shine from their eyes…That is how I will root out a thousand years of human domestication.” – Adolf Hitler* (School shootings and metal detectors, anyone? School prayer banned, the ten commandments removed…see a pattern here?)
“It is urgently desired that by the end of the year no more denominational schools or monastic or conventual schools should exist. In many cases it should be possible to carry out these orders by the beginning of the school year 1939. Further, you should take all other possible steps to remove denominational influences from the German educational system. By the end of the year, no educational institutions should exist which are under denominational influence. Particularly, this includes orphanages, foster homes, boarding houses and hostels. Only in those places where the Church authorities have an overwhelming proportion of the facilities, such as kindergartens, nursing homes, etc. and where the takeover cannot be effected because of the lack of other resources and the necessary personnel within a short time, should the process be stretched out over a longer period.” – Martin Bormann, June 1939* (No school vouchers, no child left behind, Terri Schiavo…and the beat goes on…)
“Everyone here can save himself in his own fashion. To educate the young people into religious ways may perhaps be the task of the Church, but to educate the young in politics is very much our affair…the youth belongs to us and we will yield them to noone. And the denominational press is equally superfluous…For the Churches there is only one solution, which will ensure peace: Back into the sacristy. Let the churches serve God; we serve the People.” — Josef Goebbels, August 4 1935*
“We have brought the priests out of the Party political conflict, and led them back in to the Church. And now it is our desire that they should never return to that area for which they were not intended.” – Adolf Hitler, October 24 1933*
“The only sphere in which they [the Nazis] were prepared to tolerate Church activity was in purely spiritual matters concerned with the next world. The separation of Church and State was designed to drive churchmen [e.g., Christian influence, ethics, principles] out of every public activity.”* (Carols and creches and gifts- Oh, My!…think ACLU, et al)
“The Nazi interpretation of the slogan, “Politics do not belong in the Chruch” was far more comprehensive and more damaging to the Churches’ interests than was realized by the well-meaning clergymen who had agreed to accept it in principle. The slogan had been deliberately coined to conceal the Nazis’ intention of excluding the Church from involvement in any aspect of political life.”* (not very democratic, or legitimately theocratic of them…)
Against the Nazis’ secret practice of euthanasia, which was gradually becoming known, and the public propaganda in favor of sexual promiscuity, retrettably few Churchmen raised their voices; and, indeed few seemed to understand that such practices presented a fundamental challenge to Christian thought and doctrine. *
And on the heights we have planted
The banners of our revolution.
You had imagined that that was all that we wanted.
We want more
We want all
Your hearts are our goal,
It is your souls we want. — Anonymous Nazi verse, 1939*
* Source: “The Nazi Persecution of the Churches, 1933-1945″, by John S. Conway (New York, Basic Books, 1968)
This will also shed some light on why Christians have been so relentlessly bashed, belittled, and caricatured as buffoons, hypocrites, charlatans, racists, anti-Semitic, mentally ill, con artists, etc., ad nauseam in movies, books, television, popular music and any other venue over which the American left exercises its hegemonic, fascist control. It is preparation for open persecution, just as the Nazis prepared the way for the persecution of the [Hebrews] and Christians in Eastern Europe with deliberate, planned propaganda campaigns. Be not deceived!
To feminist for life, be encouraged! We thought it was rather funny, the way Hanna bashed your “train of thought” (or lack of it), when your rebuttal of her own propaganda basically followed her own outline! Sin really does make stupid.
All the best, if you’ll have it!
Hi, everybody.
McNutts and Wachet Auf, great stuff!
More info on the Nazi persecution of Christians is available at http://www.cryingvoice.com/Christian_martyrs/NaPers.html
Read it…history is truly repeating itself here.
I never realized that abortion was like this. It has never been a choice for me, I never even considered it and I never would, Seeing these pictures just tears my heart out and has changed my “pro-choice” position to “pro-life”. I didn’t even think people did this late term abortion stuff.. just awful…
Abortion is MURDER. Why is this even a question of choice? Planned Parenthood (the whore of abortion) and the “womens health” clinics of this nation are selling DEATH they do not care about the consequences the mother of this baby will suffer…she is a dollar sign. I had 4 close friends in high school…3 of them had abortions, all of them regret it desperately 18 years later! One of them can not conceive, direct result of the abortion. The motivation of the PRO CHOICE supporters and abortion clinics is to make PRO LIFE advocates appear to be crazy zealots…I havent murdered or dismembered any babies in my life and I am sickened by the nightmare of abortion…so if that makes me crazy, I can live with that. They know and fear that the day is coming when their ugly lies and cover ups will be exposed and the nation will no longer tolerate “choice”. Tiller (Kansas abortionist specailizing in LATE TERM ABORTION) charges up to $10,000 per kill and other standard abortionists are earning upwards of $2,400 per hour…they are in it for the money. How can anyone slaughter babies for any reason…I dont buy the “health of the mother” crap for partial birth abortions either. How is the mothers health any less in jeopardy if a child is delivered completely all except the head then killed with scissors jammed in the back of the skull and a suction tube for removing the babies brains than if the child is delivered completely with the chance for it to live??? CAll me crazy…but ABORTION IS WRONG!!!
I believe abortion is morally wrong after 3 months. By then, any normal female, no matter her physical or mental stability, can make a compitent decision. Any abortions after that first trimester is and should be considered murder. Women have the god given eight to have children and the right NOT to. I can not comprehend how male polticians can make decisions when they are not impacted by this! A woman has a right and that right cannot be truncated. Also, i do not feel this website has impartial information regarding abortions. It is completely one-sided and ulta-conservative. I feel, in order to educate the public, a party and stance nuetral site needs to be established to give both sides of the argument.
Hello yourself, Arx!
Thanks, as always, for your insights. The “theocracy” – Constitutional republic matter is an interesting one. ‘Theocracy’ these days is generally used as a term of derision against anyone who does not subscribe to the “separation of church and state” as envisioned and enforced by Hitler, Stalin, etc. If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard some left-wing, anti-Christian, anti-American claim that that phrase is in the U.S. Constitution, or is the meaning of the first amendment…well, we’d be much closer to being the “wealthy Americans” of Mr. G’s derided stereotype.
The legitimacy of any government ought to be (and, ultimately, is) determined by how closely it adheres to God’s intentions in ordaining it, according to Romans 13. “Sheep may safely graze in pastures where good watch the shepherd keeps; Where the ruler well doth govern, there is found both peace and plenty, and great joy the people know”. The abundance of liberty and opportunity experienced (to Mr. G’s horrified censure)by many Americans is due, in large part, to the protections, rights, and liberties secured for them in the U.S. Constitution, though no one, anywhere on earth since the beginning of His story except Christ can claim that (s)he has exercised perfect stewardship of all that has been entrusted to him/her.
This is, of course, one thing about G’s communiques that we have found odious and disingenuous; his assumptions about others, yet he will not disclose the information about himself to which he presumes entitlement in managing similar affairs of others. His comments on these matters, aimed from the first at taking virtually the only protection left to the unborn and redistributing it to others who still have legal rights to better treatment, were much more worthy of Judas Iscariot than of Jesus. Judas, you will recall, took the liberty of instructing that resources spent in adoration of Christ should instead be given to the poor. The spirit of Judas Maccabeus is an asset to any individual and society, whether they realize it or not; the spirit of Judas Iscariot is a menace and a reproach to any…whether or not it’s recognized as such.
Pat’s doing much better. She says you haven’t lived until you’ve had the triplets trying to cheer you at least twice every hour of their recent visits with their performance of “the lonely goatherd”. Between their vocal challenges in the tone department and her bad throat…if she were the prima donna type, this could have been rather counter-productive; instead, she wisely focused on enjoying all that was good about these serenades, and put all vocal coaching on hold until her cold is gone. It nearly is, but the sprain is still somewhat painful.
to Mick,
Actually, I did misspell both disingenuous and presumptuous. I’m bad to not always use the spell check myself and when I’m tired or in a hurry, typos can occur. It’s the main disadvantage of typed vs. handwritten correspondence.
Pat and I are supposedly the “spelling sticklers” in the family, and we both sometimes correct those things in the interest of clearer communication. As important as that is, though, it is secondary to having something worth communicating to begin with; towards restoring perspective in both regards to Mr. G. and others, you may find the following helpful:
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a word are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
If you think that was amazing, read the following words very carefully (right to the end), and you will see something incredible: God cmomnads all men evrewyhere to repent, buecsae he has appoitned a day in whcih He will jugde the wrold in rightesnouess. Maybe you don’t see your need to repent. Then answer these three questions with an honest heart: Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen something? Jesus said, “Whoever looks upon a woman and lusts after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart.” Have you ever done that? Will you be innocent or guilty on Judgment Day? If you are found to be guilty (and we are all guilty), according to the Bible you will end up in Hell. It’s not God’s will that you go there. He provided a way for you to be forgiven. He so loves you that He sent His Son to take your punishment: “God demonstrated His love toward us, in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Then Jesus rose from the dead and defeated death. If you will repent (turn away from sin) and trust in Him, God will forgive you and grant you everlasting life. Isn’t that amazing? Pray something like this now: “Dear God, I want to turn away from all of my sins. This day I put my trust in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Please forgive me, change my heart, and grant me your gift of everlasting life. Amen.” Then read the Bible daily and obey what you read (see John 14:21).
This is not to say that there isn’t plenty that has struck us as both disingenuous and presumptuous in his posts; there is. But his spelling corrections, in themselves, aren’t among them.
What would have been more to the point would be his defense of his referencing what he has ample cause to call a clan as a “klan”, an entirely different, and essentially evil, entity when he has no cause other than his own visceral animus towards us to do so. He doesn’t say, but jumps on my spelling errors in lieu of accounting for his own ad hominem blather.
Again, the heart and mind of Jesus? or Judas? No reason to think he cares; the teachings of Christ are just tools for him to misuse in his quest to undermine biblical Christianity and its legitimate impact upon public life & culture. It wasn’t, after all, the rich young ruler, who followed Jesus to a point; it was Judas Iscariot…at least, according to the Bible.
I think you otherwise read him right; he has struck Pat, G.K. and myself as a pompous prig from the start who isn’t interested in following Christianity, but in attacking and subverting it; but next time (if there is one with G., it will only further prove him to be what he has impressed us as so far)let Pat and/or the triplets deal with the spelling?
to both Arx and Mick,
We may be out of pocket for a little while due to the recent developments re: Terri Schiavo. We certainly don’t mind your communicating with us via this comment board, as long as the posts are relevant to the matters on the board, and appreciate your holding off on e-mails while Pat’s been down; she’s been limiting her e-mailing the last few days mainly to efforts on Terri’s behalf, but you can e-mail us after Easter. In the meantime, May the grace of Christ dwell in you richly. We love you guys!
SHALOM! HE IS RISEN!!!
These PICTURES ARE NOT PICTURES OF CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN ABORTED! You are nuts! You print false information and use scare tactics to try and push your right winged BS on woman! Well, let me remind you, having an abortion is LEGAL for A REASON! Woman HAVE A CHOICE, NO THANKS To your LIES! LIES! LIES is all you have to try and scare woman away from thier choice. OH AND YOU ARE NUTS TOO. Just read about your leader being arrested, no wonder the rest of you have lost your mind, you are being led by a NUTCASE.
Sick- you are all sick. Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions that any provider in the country and that is the TRUTH. Try it sometime, might let you sleep better at night.
I totally agree. These pictures are false representations of safe, legal abortions!
Now, who is the sick one.
I heard this website reference on the radio today.
Let me just say, I believe in God, I am a republican, and I am a catholic-
But, I do NOT agree with your website.
I am Pro-Choice because I want to save children and women’s lives.
That is all I have to say- besides you have a lot of misinformation on this website.
I have always been anti-abortion but I never understood how graphic this procedure really was. It saddens me that we live in a society where we save whales yet kill babys. My wife is a petition signature collector. She currently has a petition called “Parents’ Right to Know.” It’s a shame that public schools have to get a parents permission to give children Tylenol but teenagers don’t need a parent’s concent to have an abortion. We are really hoping to get this on the ballot. I believe this can be the first step to end abortion as a legal practice. At least parents can be aware and hopefully intervene. There was a case in San Francisco back in 2003 where an 18-year-old died after she took an abortion pill from Planned Parenthood. Unfortunetly, the parents didn’t even know she was pregnant until their daughter was on her death bed. If you see this petition please sign it and support the cause. Most of these clinics are in the inner city. This is genocide. Anyone familiar with Margaret Sanger knows what I mean. Please continue praying without ceasing.
These are NOT pictures of ABORTED BABY’S! Babys that are aborted are SMALLER than a GRAIN of RICE! You continue to have a weak agrument and that is why the courts side with giving women the CHOICE to make their own decisions. You talk about parent’s having the right to know, that is the reason there are SO MANY young teens who kill themselves or dump their baby’s after having them, because they fear (for many good reasons) telling their parents. THAT IS WHY over the Counter Emergency Contraceptive works best.
You talk about ever hear of the San Fran case! Come on! Ever heard of the millions of girls that have killed themselves by sticking a hanger up their vagina to kill themselves because they were scared to tell their parents. Ask, Becky Bell’s Parent’s, who are PRO CHOICE for a reason!
Come on! Wake up! And who are you as A MAN To decide for these women!
I will continue praying for you without ceasing!
You guys are so morbid. You wouldn’t want people graphically advertising your dead body everywhere; Stop parading pictures around of dead babies. Have at least that much respect. Abortion is a very sad thing, and if we could all control pregnancy without violent procedures or paying through the nose for birth control, I am sure more people would. Prevention is better than finding yourself in an already compromised position. I am tired of hearing about people who were verbally commanded/persuaded/whatever into aborting. No one is holding a gun to their head to have an abortion. The girl is the one who walks to the clinic and makes the final choice. People will still do what they want to do. Instead of attempting to dissuade people the same ways as always, I would suggest helping find or create a better solution.
You know what, I don’t remember hearing that all of you people who say women who have an abortion are going to hell, when exactly you all were made God? I am Roman- Catholic, and have taken religious studies my whole life, and I remember reading that all you have to do is ask for forgiveness and you will be forgiven. Who are you to say what will happen? I do know that murder is one of the ten commandments,but so is lying. That means a hell of a lot of people are going to hell, because that also is one of the ten commandments. I’m just saying none of you are God, so none of you can say who’s going where, please remeber that.
Anyone honestly wanting further documentation as to the authenticity of the aborted baby photos here can find it at priestsforlife.org or at cbrinfo.org
To Abe G: Objection: RELEVANCE?! For all your posts trying to dissect and discredit several posters on this thread, you have never mentioned once the photos of children mutilated by abortion. I have other reasons for distrusting your claim to superior intelligence to McNutt & friends, Christian conservatives, and, no doubt, others whom you dislike in addition to your crashing this very serious and important thread with your tirades and yes, disingenuous & destructive rhetoric. Get a life.
This whole page and organization disheartens me, organizations like this and operation save america (osa) act on intolerence and ignorence of people to get a point across. For the people that read only this website do you realize that this organization that is connected to osa is anti-sematic, anti-catholic, anti-women, and anti-homosexual. Do you realize that they “teach” and “preach” the bible to people yet ignore many of the principles of the bible. Do not get pissy at me either for telling the truth, because though I am not Christian and disagree with every word on this website, I am anti-abortion, but I also think that the choice of abortion should be made individualy and not made by male congressmen and right wing conservatives that don’t know shit about what it is like to have an unwanted pregnacy or growup as an orphan. This country is not only made up of people sharing your opinion and you should not have the power to overthrow thier opinion with yours, both opinions i belive should be tolerated and I hope someday a agreement will be reached between both sides.
Omg u sick sick ppl…. y y y??? ask urself this…. god has a plan 4 everyone includin little babys…. they r his creation you should have no right to go and take them away frum him. wat if sum1 took ur life?? huh u wouldnt like tht now would u… as a strong motivated chrsitan i pray for all u mothers… especially teenage mothers… but lsn god sed “everythin happens for a reason.” i pray 4 u all and may god bless u with his unconditional love. before u go to tht clinique and ask for child GENOCIDE remember god and his plan for u and ur baby.
God bless u all,
In Jesus’s name,
nadia
I would just like to say, I am in the 7th grade, and I am looking through against abrotion advertisements. Yet, what do I find? This sickens me, and I think that abortion should be very illegal. I don’t think anyone should ever kill a life. That is plainly murder, even if the person inside is not complete yet.
~:-) This is baby. Help baby conquer abortion. He will thank you, if you let him live.
There is nothing wrong with abortion. The only people who belive that are the ones naive enough to believe in God also. God does not exist, which is why he cannot tell me not to have sex before marriage, to drink beer or to have an abortion. God has no business in my life and he shouldn’t enter the abortion clinic. And neither should any of you. You all have very antiquated ideas about things which why you even go to church. If you got out more you’d see that the world has changed. Sure those images are gross. But so is birth, ladies.
I see that many people say a low quality of life or child abuse are good reasons to abort.
I would be curious to find out how many children who are abused had a mother who even considered abortion. Not many would be my guess. I had an abusive childhood. Mentaly physically and sexualy. I actually was told by my stepmonster when I was 24 that she believed that it would have been better for me had I been aborted.
I, as an adult survivor of child abuse was flabberghated. I would still not choose death over the abuse I suffered as a child. Yes my childhood was horrible, but my adult life is beautiful.
I have two children of my own whom I love and a husband who loves me. I have something wonderful out of something sad. How can that happen with abortion?
there is NO god and there is no hell, so wishful thinkingm, but f*ck you! abortion is fine! :)
To all the pro-choicers who have posted such brilliant and thoughtful words (I think someone mentioned something about “poop” and “get a life”):
WE ARE A PRO-LIFE GENERATION. WE WILL NOT STOP. WE WILL KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL EVERY LAST ABORTION MILL IS CLOSED. WE ARE EDUCATING OUR FRIENDS. WE ARE EDUCATING IN THE SCHOOLS AND IN THE CHURCHES. WE ARE RAISING OUR CHILDREN PRO-LIFE. WE ARE ORGANIZED AND MOTIVATED. WE WILL NEVER VOTE FOR ANYONE PRO-CHOICE(KERRY LOST). AND GUESS WHAT. WE HAVE GOD ON OUR SIDE TO GUIDE US AND AID US. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO OR SAY THAT WILL EVER MAKE US GO AWAY.
Your little posts only motivate me to work even harder in my pro-life efforts.
Where the problem begins. Something to think about..
“Because teens in other developed countries receive more education about sexuality and have more access to contraception and family planning services, they have much lower rates of pregnancy and abortion. For example, in the Netherlands, where teenage sexual activity is about the same as in the U.S., pregnancy rates are only one-ninth those of the United States.”
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“The Netherlands has one of the lowest abortion rates in the Western world with 8.7 abortions for every 1,000 women of child bearing age in 2003. Late-term abortions are extremely rare with over 95 percent of terminations performed within the first 13 weeks of pregnancy.”
Re: the claim that “liberals are inherently smarter”;
Even if you really did “hate to say it” (yeah, right!), we have no real reason not to consider it more propaganda calling the politically incorrect “feebleminded” (like Hitler & co.).
Read this the other day and thought of you & anyone else who believes this; it might bring a little much-needed balance to your perspective:
IT’S ONLY FUNNY UNTIL SOMEONE LOSES A PIE
April 13, 2005
Liberals enjoy claiming that they are intellectuals, thrilled to engage in a battle of wits. This, they believe, distinguishes them from conservatives, who are religious fanatics who react with impotent rage to opposing ideas. As one liberal, Jonathan Chait, put the cliche in The New Republic: Bush is an “instinctive anti-intellectual” and his administration hostile to “fact-driven debate.” In a favorable contrast, Clinton is “the former Rhodes scholar who relished academic debates.” Showing his usual reverence for fact-checking, The New York Times’ Paul Krugman says the Republican Party is “dominated by people who believe truth should be determined by revelation, not research.”
I’m not sure how these descriptions square with the fact that liberals keep responding to conservative ideas by throwing food. (Remember the good old days when liberals’ “fact-driven” ideas only meant throwing money at their problems?)
Last October, two liberals responded to my speech at the University of Arizona — during question and answer, no less — by charging the stage and throwing two pies at me from a few yards away. Fortunately for me, liberals not only argue like liberals, they also throw like girls. (Apologies in advance to the Harvard biology professors who walked out on Larry Summers in a demonstration of their admiration of “research,” not “revelation” — but this may account for the dearth of female pitchers in Major League Baseball.)
Unfortunately for them, Republican men don’t react favorably to two “Deliverance” boys trying to sucker-punch a 110-pound female in a skirt and heels. The geniuses ended up with bloody noses and broken bones.
It’s really outrageous how conservatives respond to liberals who are just trying to engage in a “fact-driven debate.” How typical of Republicans to go on the offensive just because a female has been physically attacked. Instead of capturing and subduing my attackers, those strong Republican men should have been trying to understand why they threw the pies.
In the five months following the liberal ass-whupping in Arizona — I mean “fact-driven debate” — all was quiet on the Eastern Front. College liberals still couldn’t formulate a coherent argument, but they seemed to want to avoid ending up in jail having to explain to their cellmates that they were in for trying to hit a girl (and missing).
Then on March 19, all charges were dismissed against the “Deliverance” boys — including a felony charge for $3,000 worth of damage to school property. Inexplicably, this outcome did not instantly lead to widespread rioting and looting in South Central Los Angeles.
Democrat Barbara LaWall is the Pima County attorney who allowed the liberal debate champions to walk. LaWall brags on her Web site about “holding criminals accountable.” She didn’t say anything about liberals, however. Be forewarned, conservatives: Do not expect the law to protect you in Pima County.
In the three weeks following the dismissal of all charges against my attackers, three more conservatives were attacked on college campuses.
On March 29, liberals’ intellectual retort to a speech by William Kristol at Earlham College was to throw a pie. On March 31, liberals enjoyed the hurly-burly of political debate with Pat Buchanan at Western Michigan University by throwing salad dressing. On April 6, liberals engaged David Horowitz on his ideas at Butler University by throwing a pie at him.
If you close your eyes, it’s almost like you’re listening to Ludwig Wittgenstein!
If there had been that many attacks on Muslims in the weeks following the 9/11 attack, we’d still be watching Showtime specials about it. (In liberals’ defense, this is what they must resort to when there are no student newspapers with conservative editorials to burn.)
At the risk of provoking one of those brainy liberals to throw more food, here’s an idea: In order to reduce physical assaults on conservative speakers, maybe we should increase the price. But, to the contrary, when conservative speakers are physically attacked on college campuses, university administrators ignore the attacks, Democrat prosecutors somehow manage to get the charges dismissed, and Democrat flacks like Chait and Krugman pretend they missed the news that day.
What might work better is some form of disincentive to liberals who engage in violent behavior whenever they hear an idea they don’t like but can’t come up with words to dispute. The punishment doesn’t have to be severe — just a small fraction of the wailing and healing that occurs every time there’s a hoax “hate crime” on a college campus. (But which still serve a valuable function by calling attention to the issue of hate crimes.)
Last year, classes were canceled and demonstrations held at Claremont College after a white, Catholic visiting professor claimed her car had been vandalized with racist and anti-Semitic slurs. This — at the very moment she was giving a talk on intolerance!
It was just a little too ironic. The incident had all the exquisite timing of an “ABC After-School Special” about hate crimes. But as one student angrily told the Los Angeles Times, the suggestion that it was a hoax is “so sick. They are in denial. People don’t want to accept that a well-educated, liberal community can have hate.” Needless to say, the vandalism turned out to have been perpetrated by the professor herself.
Or maybe physical attacks on conservatives could merit a small slice of the rage and indignation directed at the display of racist symbols. Last year, a white student at a high school in Washington State was accused of taunting a black student with a noose. In response, the white student was immediately expelled from school. He was charged with a felony. There was a series of town-wide discussions. The U.S. Justice Department sent in mediators. And two more years were suddenly added to Whoopi Goldberg’s career.
I think Kristol, Buchanan, Horowitz and I would be perfectly happy if college liberals merely brandished symbols at us. Speaking for myself, I would be unhappy if they didn’t. But these Rhodes scholar geniuses with a taste for “fact-driven debate” can’t even achieve the level of argument practiced by the average juvenile delinquent. They’re still stuck at the intellectual level of 2-year-olds in high chairs throwing food.
COPYRIGHT 2005 ANN COULTER
Even if your statement were truth and not hate speech, the fact remains that barbaric societies are created by allowing the “strong” to prey upon the “weak” with impunity, rather than legitimately using their advantages to help the less fortunate. Conservatives aren’t promoting the mass murder of liberals, but liberals are the ones promoting abortion as a sacrament, and pushing hardest for “euthanasia”, “the elimination of the ‘unfit’”.
Conservatives would far rather correct the unfitness, a much more humane thing to do.
The unfitness that is a much greater threat to society than any Christian getting rejected from the liberal “halls of ivy”* was addressed by C.S. Lewis in his book, “The Abolition of Man”, and specifically identified and described in the chapter, “Men Without Chests”. He wrote, “Their heads are no bigger than the ordinary; it is the paucity of the chest beneath that makes them seem so…We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful.”
That, too, is a much more accurate assessment of liberalism’s agenda than that of Christianity.
(*this religious discrimination goes on all the time, regardless of the applicant’s scholastic, and other objective, relevant credentials; the reason why Christians are outnumbered in the halls of ivy is not so much mental unfitness but bigotry on the part of secularists on the reviewing boards; occasionally, a Christian somehow gets on one of those boards…)
With regards to the recent flagrant atrocity along those lines in Pinellas Park (to which you have certainly displayed a callousness which belies your earlier claim to “concern” for the poor and needy, the HUNGRY…so where were you when the McNutts went to fight for this woman’s feeding tube to be reinserted, and for this cruelty to be halted before it afflicts countless other disabled, innocent human beings? Beside them in the fight? Nooooooo! “Behind them all the way”, with your knife in their backs, as usual.
Which reminds me, hypocrisy is not spelt “hypocricy”…as though you really care about anything but huffing and puffing and trying to blow in any refuge, any comfort that anyone might enjoy without asking you first.
As to your other remarks, you have already demonstrated that you aren’t interested in what we have to give you; so why is it so important to bash us for not giving you what we don’t have, and don’t want? Grow up.
You’ve already been asked to get a life; why not do it?
I’m pro-choice but I’m mature enough to have read all of this debate and have come to one conclusion:
We’re not all going to agree.
So stop ‘talking’ or arguing and do something about it. If you’re only going to pat each other on the back for making good points about how god condemns abortion, I don’t see how that’s saving any children.
Everybody has a right to their own opinion. Quit the name-calling and put downs, I don’t think your god would appreciate you doing that either.
Once my boyfriend told me that when “Jesus comes again to judge the “living and the dead” (according to the Catholic creed) He, being more educated than I in Catholism told me that thousands upon thousands of people will be cast into hell. And I was appalled. I thought Our GOD is a loving God, and a forgiving God. Why would he do that? Reading this forum. I can clearly see why he would throw some of you there. He sees what’s in your heart. Not what religion you are.
For those on the side of the good, the side of the babies with no voice… here is a book I highly recommend: PRO LIFE Answers to Pro choice Arguments. By Randy Alcorn.
Thanks be to God for my beautiful girls, and being only 39, my beautiful Grandson. See, I told my oldest daughter at a young age, you get pregnant, you have a baby. I said I didn’t believe in abortion. I don’t believe it is right regardles of my religion. And she said “neither do I” and sure as I’m sitting here, she was pregnant by 17. No matter what I did. And yes, I went against the Catholic religion and had her on birth control. (90% of all sexually abused girls get pregnant early) He is 18 months old now, she is looking forward to her 21st birthday. It happens people. Legally she had a choice. She could have gone behind my back and had an abortion. She seriously considered adoption and I backed her up. But I would have had a very hard time forgiving her had she of killed Kaiden. He has a name. The buckets of dead babies could have had a name too.
One day when she was 5 months pregnant I was appalled when a friend of hers asked her to drop her off at a abortion clinic. All my daughter said was “don’t you realize your baby had fingers and toes right now?” And it didn’t faze Jaime at all. And I was even more amazed my daughter took her there.
After all, this is her friends mode of birth control. It certainly wasn’t the first or the third…. maybe that is why it didn’t shock my daughter..
I had her when I barely turned 19. I have two other wonderful girls. I thank God for them, beg Him to never take them from me, because you never know what a love is until you have a child. Imagine that our Lord feels that way about us.
I feel horrible, I want to pray for those evil people that need the redemtion, but somehow I can’t. I will pray for those buckets of babies though. Someone would have loved them here on earth.
“Jesus will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.” Apostles Creed
I will leave that to HIM, and I will pray for those murdered children. And for the people who can somehow stomach that everyday as their “job”
Just sickening. Absolutlely sickening.
Kirby stated that in those pictures some of the babies were, what was the word? disabled??? HOW CAN YOU TELL???
They were mangled and killed.
Pro life answers to Pro choice questions.
Facts: every child is wanted by someone; there is no such thing as an unwanted child.
one and a half MILLION American families want to adopt
There is a difference between and unwanted pregnancy and an unwanted child.
Many children who were first unwanted by the mothers in the first trimester were wanted very much later in pregnancy and much more after birth. Unfortunately, many who would have bonded with and wanted the child by their 6th month of pregnancy get an abortion in their third month.
Furthermore, many children wanted at birth are NOT when they are crying a 2 am six weeks later. Shall wether or not the parents want the baby still determine wether she lives? If it is the standard before birth, why not after?
“Unwanted” describes not a condition of the child, but an attitude of adults.
The problem of unwantedness is a good argument for wanting children but a poor one for eliminating them.
What is most unfair to unwanted children is to kill them.
“having more unwanted children results in more child abuse”
Most abused children were wanted by their parents.
63% of preganancies are planned. among abused children, a significantly higher percentage were wanted children compared to the wanted children in society at large.
Child abuse has not decreased since abortion was legalized, in fact it has increased.
In 1973, when abortion was legalized, child abuse cases in the US were estimated at 167,000. By 1982 the number had risen to 929,000. That’s an increase of over 500%!!!!!
By 1991 there were 2.5 MILLION child abuse cases. In 1997 over 3 miilion children were reported as being abused. and over 1 million were confirmed as definate cases.
It IS ILLOGICAL TO ARGUE THAT A CHILD IS PROTECTED FROM ABUSE THROUGH ABORTION SINCE ABORTION IS CHILD ABUSE.
the solution to battered children outside of the womb is not butchered children inside the womb. Abortion is the earliest form of child abuse and none more deadly.
“What about a woman who is pregnant due to rape or incest?”
Pregnancy due to rape is very rare, and with proper treatment can be prevented. about 1% of all abortions are from a rape or incest victum. Since conception doesn’t occur immediately after intercourse, pregancy can be prevented in nearly all rape cases by medical TX that removed the semen beofore an ovum can be fertilized.
(two consenting and fertile adults have only a 3% chance of pregnancy from an act of intercourse.)
Rape is never the fault of the child; the guilty party, not an innocent party, should be punished.
we must be careful who to blame. What is hard about this case is that an innocent child deserves to die because of what his conceptual father did. Why should person A be killed because person B raped person A’s mother? Should you go to jail or because your father committed a crime?
If you found out today that your bioloigal father raped your mother would you feel you no longer have a right to live?
The violence of abortion parallels the violence of rape.
“when a woman exercises her right to control her own body in total disregard of the body of another human being, we call it abortion. When a man acts out the same philosophy, it is called rape.
“Abortion does not bring healing to a rape victim.”
Imposing capitol punishment on the innocent child of a sex offender does nothing bad to the rapist and nothing good for the woman. Creating a second victim doesn’t undue the damage to the first.
Finally: “all that is true of children concieved in rape is true of those concieved in incest”
(I am an incest survivor~ I can and will go here)
Inncest is a horrible crime. Offenders should be punished. And youung girls should be carefully protected. The abuser- not the girl or her child – is the problem. Intervention, protection, and ongoing personal help for the girl is the solution. Despite popular beliefs, fetal deformity is rare in such cases. Even if the child has handicaps, he still deserves to live.
~~~ final thoughts~~~
No adverse circumstance for one human being changes the nature and worth of another human being.
to “Who died and made you humanity police”;
So far, approximately 68 million innocent children have died from abortion, and thousands of their mothers have been injured, many times fatally, as well, in the process. Justice, compassion, courage, and responsibility are also numbered among the casualties of the infamous Roe/Doe decisions of 1-22-73.
As to your absurd comment about “who made you humanity police”—this is extremely hypocritical, since the chances are about 1 in 1 billion+ that you would ask that question if someone tried to save you from a vicious attack on your life.
But as a matter of fact, while the U.S. government died as the entity it was intended by God, and by the framers of the U.S. founding documents to be, when Roe & Doe were forced upon U.S. by the judicial tyrants on the bench at the time, many of us still believe that you build a fair, civilized, and free society, in the best sense of those terms, by accepting, not questioning or denying,, whether or not we have any obligation to care for others, especially the weakest and most vulnerable.
‘The moral test of a government is how it treats those who are at the dawn of life, the children; those who are at the twilight of life, the aged; and those who are in the shadow of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped.” ~ Hubert Humphrey Not in the U.S. founding documents, of course, but an apt reflection of their intent. See also Romans 13:3,4 as to God’s intent.
But I’m a bit puzzled; if you object so much to self-appointed “humanity police”, then who are you to tell us anything about how to think, speak, or act? Bug off.
i know that abortion is wrong. A unborn baby is human just like me and anybody else. at 6 weeks a baby has a heart beat. at 7 it has eyes, ears, nose, mouth. and how do i know all this…cuz i’m pregnate. if a female wanted to have sex and she knew the possible out come she should have took a cold shower. so Ladies keep ya pants up and skirts down!!!!
This is absolutely disturbing!!!! People who do this and continue to think it is right have serious issues. I have two beautiful children of my own and one on the way. All my children were planned and I am not exactly a “middle class” citizen or whatever classification you may brand me with, but the truth of the matter is I have an enourmous amount of love to give my children and values to teach them. Nothing in thisworld can make an abortion the “right” thing to do. Maybe Bush should start letting women decide when they want to get a tubal ligation at any age and for any reason instead of letting men and women kill there children. I’d rather live in a country where a vast majority of men and women are unable to breed rather than live in a country where we breed and then say “oh, this is a problem, let’s just tear it up and throw it away”. No, instead we have Dr.s telling us “well you’re 18 and have three kids, but you can’t get a tubal ligation until you’re 25.” WHAT???????? How backwards and unjust is that? In some states you have to go before a judge and get permission for a tubal ligation before the age 25 or before you have 4 kids!!!! However; any woman or girl can get away with murdering there poor defenseless unborn perfect child. This makes no sense what so ever, I think you should be a “registered child murderer” just like there are registered sex offenders. I sit here with so much to say with so little time to say it and it really saddens my heart to see and read how so many people feel that this is okay. Stop and think…what if your parents decided to have you torn up and thrown away or had your brains sucked out and thrown away like a piece of trash?!!! We might as well let all the convicted felons on death row free because thats what all these women are who have no remorse and continue to do it. Shame on you and may GOD have mercy on your soul!!!
Danielle, i totally understand what you say about tubal litigation, i tried to get mine at 18 but because of being so young they said no, im pregnant now with my second son and im not going to say i was happy, i knew very well how i could get pregnant and how to avoid it yet being pregnant is not the end of the world, how many women are out there that would give anything to get pregnant and then here are women who can and dont appreciate it .I know a lot of people pray for these women to be saved by GOD, i dont, in fact to me they oughta burn in hell, they deserve it, i also dont feel bad for those women who die in late term abortions or any others, why should I? did they feel bad when they were killing their babies, NO. thats why their doing it, some even knowing that they feel pain. how cruel is that. now maybe someone can answer my question, some of the pictures of abortions i’ve seen, some babies have like dark patches on their skin, like burnt skin, is that due to a saline injection abortion? Also, another thing that makes me sick is those moms who go to church all the time praising the lord and all this and that and then have teenage daughters who get pregnant at the age of 14, 15, their the ones overhere judging women for abortions and the next thing you know their the first in line at the planned parenthood clinics trying to get their teenagers to get abortions because what a disgrace it is to them for their daughter to be pregnant, come on ladies get a life! and i say this because i KNOW there are women like this out in this world, they care more about what other people think than their kids. Just looking at the pictures of all these babies makes me want to cry. hopefully the day will come when all this doesnt happen anymore, maybe when we all die because GOD is so disgusted at the cruel things humans can do.
saddened but not regretful: you may not realize it but when that disqusting man raped you, you already became a victim of his crime and so did your baby. Being anemic does not mean that your baby would not have survived nor does that mean you would have. Being anemic has a cure it’s called “iron suppliments”. I don’t believe that you were anemic because I have never heard of low iron killing some one or it causing fetal death.
Don’t get mw wrong what happened to you was horrible…but I’m not fully sure that makes abortion right….I guess the question for you is…do you think it’s ok no matter what the issue maybe?
i was anemic when i was pregnant with all my children,and they came out fine.yes the pictures were horrible,but it could change some peoples minds about killing any of gods children.
even though they are not born yet does’nt mean their not a
living human being,and killing them is wrong.its called murder,and anyone who has an abortion is going to hell.
remember thou shall not kill,and abortion is 100% murder.
there are lots of women who want children badly and these women are killing theirs,its not right.for those people who don’t believe in god,may god have mercy on your soul.you are truely doomed.3 years ago i got my tubes tied after i had my last child cause the doctor said i would die if i carried another child because all 4 of my children was delivered through ceacections and even though it is wrong to do that too i knew i couldn’t take any chances of not being around for my children.two years after i had a tubal,i got pregnant and the baby was in my tube and the tube had busted and i almost bled to death,and when they told me there was no way the baby could live,i was devastated,my heart was broken
i felt like a terrible person.there was a baby inside me dead
and i could do nothing to save it.every day i think of the child i lost ,i really dont know how a woman can live with herself after getting a abortion.she must not have a heart or a soul.
These pictures are disturbing. When I first got pregnant, I didn’t even know who the father was and it never crossed my mind to get an abortion. I got a paternity test to find out who the father was and a lawyer to get child support.
All problems can be dealt with without murder!
Let me first say that I have been on birth control for 6 years, and my boyfriend and I have used condoms. In January, I had some abnormal bleeding and was given a pregnancy test bymy doctor, which came out negative. After getting stronger birth control, I thought me missing periods was normal (I have NEVER had normal cycles) Well, I just found out I’m 6.5 months pregnant. I JUST started to gain weight. I JUST started to show. I had NO IDEA I was pregnant. Yes, I considered abortion until I found out how far along I was. I cannot support a child, and I took ALL the precautions needed. Now, I face the horrible decision of having a child, and leaving my boyfriend and my life, or giving it up for adoption. This is the WORST scenario anyone could ever go through in their entire life, I GUARANTEE it.
I think abortion is right and wrong in some ways. I know that you people here have argued that “it’s wrong, you’ll go to hell!” and that “it’s okay depending…” To me, I think that under very strict circumstances it’s alright to do to save someone else. Now hear me out when I say this. If a woman gets pregnant and for some reason the doc says that it would be life threating if she went through it, then I would understand. If it will cause her to die just to carry the child in her womb, then that would be a reason to have an abortion. Another reason would be if you are a mom and you have a young child (somewhere around 13) and she gets pregnant, then that to me would be an option. One of you have probably watched Maury Povich at sometime or other and seen his show where the moms come in with their young daughters saying that they want to have a baby at 13. Although discipline could have probably of saved that child from becoming pregnant, abortion would be smart. A child that young does not need to have a baby. Not only will it ruin her education and family, but what kind of motherhood practice could this child have possibly had to be able to take a care of a baby? Probably none. And I don’t believe that the mother of that teenager should be burdened with another baby because that is not her responsibility. Anyway, this is how I feel. Without these excuses, I believe that abortion is horribly wrong. It should have never been an option to this country or world because that only gives women, young and old, an excuse to murder someone. And to the other people here who talked about God saying that abortions are wrong and that God put the baby in a woman’s womb, I think that’s a crock. I believe in a superior being that can control things, but not necessarily God. And not everyone runs there life by the book of God. Anything that people want to do is their choice. If they want to have premarital sex, that doesn’t mean they’ll go to hell!!! And God does not place anything in your womb…it’s your choice. A man and a woman put a child in a womb. Everything is created by choice, not by a God. You make your own destiny. To tell you, I’m 20 and I’m not able to have a child, so to see someone waste away another human being because they’re too young or not ready makes me sick. I have wanted to have a child but I’m not blessed with the power to do so. So I feel strongly about abortion, but I make a point when I say that there are reasonable explanations to have an abortion. Adoption is an option for me. And I’m greatfull for the women who made the right choice and gave their child up for adoption. Bless you all.
Simple solution to all this shite!
If you have been raped, you can have an abortion. If not, you can have an abortion if you agree to be castrated and legally prevented from ever adopting or becoming the guardian of a child.
I am a 26 yr old mother of two, who got pregnant at 18 6 months aftre graduating high school. I didn’t plan either of my pregnacies. I think that those pictures are horrible and should be showed to women who are thinking of having an abortion. That is plan murder. I will forever be haunted of these pictures. I knew that it was horrible procedure, but never did i know it looked like that. I know that women feel that it is there choice, then CHOOSE some protection or not sleeping with someone….why wait until you are 2 months from delivering and then decide you don’t want a baby? that is what adoption is for. I feel no empathy for women who decide to do this…there are these web sites for you to see what you are about to do.
An abortion when the fetus is still a cell would not be so gruesome. Why does this organization use this horrible propaganda to get support? Isn’t your agenda whole without using shock and terror to gain support? I think to some people it is. And not all states allow late abortions unless the life of the mother is at stake. Let’s educate people, not fill them with fear and ingorance! That’s should be your goal, but it looks to me like your goal is to get support at whatever cost. Too sad.
Leann,
Yes, let’s address some ignorance with a baby needed biology lesson. You stated that, “An abortion when the fetus is still a cell would not be so gruesome.”
Abortions do not take place in abortion clinics at the cellular level. At that point the newly formed child is considered a zygote. As he or she grows, the baby becomes a blastocyte, or a cluster of cells, then an embryo as he or she is implanted in the nurturing environment of the womb lining. Most abortions take place around 8-10 weeks after the baby (now considered a fetus) is fully formed with fingers, toes, a heartbeat, brainwaves, even sleep/awake cycles. The photos shown here are of actual abortions. This is the reality. It is a gruesome procedure that brutally and violently destroys the unique life of an innocent human being at an early stage of development. The fact that the baby is at an early developmental stage does not affect his humanity.
We don’t need to use shock and terror to gain support. All we need to do is tell the truth. The shock and terror is generated by the abortion industry, not pro-lifers. I hope this helped to educate you. You needed it.
I am between a rock and a hard place. I agree with you all that abortion for birth control purposes is wrong. I don’t like the idea of it at all. I am carrying triplets right now. Two of them are not viable (sp), they are conjoined and terminally ill. They have no chance of life outside of the womb, and most likely will pass on very soon. I do have one healthy baby, and it’s her interest I must think of now. All of the doctors are telling me if I don’t “pass” these two sick ones, my whole pregnancy is at risk, as well as my health. If nature hasn’t taken hold soon, I am being told that a “selective reduction” is really the only option. So I wanted to let you all know that, while I agree with your opinions, you must also remember that sometimes it can be merciful (sp). These babies would be in extreme pain for the few short minutes they’d have even if they lived to make it to birth.
I guess I’m just asking that you not damn us all.
all I have to say is trust in God. He will help you through this entire thing. All you have to say is five little words. Jesus come into my life. Then you will have the the reasurance you will need for the rest of you life that no matter what you are in Gods arms. He’s waiting for you. Those five little words could save your life. No matter what, you and the three precious souls are protected. All it takes is those five littles words.
all I have to say is trust in God. He will help you through this entire thing. All you have to say is five little words. Jesus come into my life. Then you will have the the reasurance you will need for the rest of you life that no matter what you are in Gods arms. He’s waiting for you. Those five little words could save your life. No matter what, you and the three precious souls are protected. All it takes is those five littles words.
if you r pregnant then i think that you should keep ur baby because it is sad and cruel to kill any living thing even if it hasn’t been born yet. if you dont want a child then dont have sex or use alot of pretection so that is like imposible to get pregnant. if u are its your responsebility.
Adoption, Adoption Adoption -there are those in this country that travel overseas to adopt a child that can’t have of of there own, while others destroy them like yesterdays garbage. If you don’t want to have the responsibility, there are alot of inexpensive ways out there to prevent pregnancy. There is a HUGE difference in not wanting the baby and can’t have the baby. Do the clinics show you what your unborn child will look like after the procedure? I dare to think so. I’ve never seen an aborted baby look like anything but a baby. Its a nightmarish option for those in desparate situations, filled with later years of regret and sleepless nights. I’ve seen babies fight and survive at 27 weeks gestation, while others die only weeks younger at the hands of another. I’ve seen young women that go through abortion feel as though they are going to lose their mind years later when they have another child after what they’ve done. DON’T sugar-coat, it’s not sweet, pro-choice is not a word to be proud of when choosing to abort or not to abort. Pro-choice should mean to keep the baby, or give someone else the most precious gift of all. Abortion is a death sentence for a crime never commited, while the murderer goes free.
I have heard alot of opinions while reading this. If you can look at there pictures and not change your view of “pro-abortion” then you are a sick person. I have been pro-life all my life. I was friends with a girl who had an abortion and I seen how it changed her. She went from a fun active person to this childish out of control girl. She was trying to make up for what she did. She was a preacher’s daughter. A baby is LIVING from the time of conception. People want to say it’s not living because it’s not breathing on it’s own. Well, what about the people that go up into space. They wouldn’t be able to breath if we didn’t supply them with oxygen. Are they still alive. Their not breathing on their own, a tank is giving them air.
And to all of those that are tired of us Christians, GET USED TO US BECAUSE WE ARE HERE AND THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. If it wasn’t for God and the Bible then this country would have nothing to base our laws on. Let’s think about:
1) Thou shall not kill.
It’s illegal to take another human being’s life. Yet you LIBERALS say it’s okay to take a baby’s life.
2) Thou shall not steal.
It’s illegal to rob anyone. Yet there are thousands who rob innocent babies of their lives everyday.
3) Thou shalt not bare false witness. (that means not to lie)
You can go to prison for lying under oath.
I could go on and on here. So face, the Bible and God are everything you do. If you are breathing that is because God allowed you to. There is coming a day for all of those who don’t believe in God, you will stand before God and bow down to him and get the biggest rude awakeing you have ever had. You will look God in his eye and hear the words “Depart from me ye worker of iniquity for I never knew you.” Hell is real and it’s hot and one day unless you change you face it. I know you’re probably thing “Here another bunch of religious nonsense”, you can think what you want. I don’t real care about what other people think about me. I’m standing up for what is right and that is LIFE. I have three beautiful children and if anyone where to ever hurt them I would not rest until they were punished to full extent of the law and yet we have women who go and allow someone to purposely hurt their children because they don’t want their lives messed up. You messed up when you decided to have sex outside of marriage. KEEP YOUR CLOTHES ON. It’s that simple. Even the biggest air head could comprehend that one.
For those who have raped, I’m sorry that it happened to you. A guy tried to rape me one time but I guess I was tougher than what he thought. But even if it had happened, and if I would have gotten pregnant, I would not have had an abortion, the baby would still be a part of me. When you Kill you child, you are killing a part of you. I got pregnant outside of marriage and I was planning on keeping it, but my boyfriend wanted me to have an abortion and because I wouldn’t, He beat me bad. I ended up having a miscarriage. This is the same guy that tired to rape me 6 months later. I KNOW that rape is terrible but the baby didn’t ask for it. The Bible says that God will give you beauty for ashes. If you would give a good thought, the baby could be your beauty for your ashes. Or it could be your gift to a couple that can’t have a baby and want one so bad. Think of other people in your time of crisis and watch how much God will bless you.
I have said enough. Give LIFE a chance.
Over 20 years I gave anesthesia for about 700 C-Sections and countless other surgeries for preemies/neonates/babies on up to teens. I saw how babies are a treasure. Looking at the above pictures makes me sick!!
Whoever did those horrible slaughters are sub-human. Scum. It makes our nation a third world country.
We may kill 1.3 million babies, but at the same time the entire world kills 45 million babies a year. That’s over 1.4 Billion over 32 years.
Give yourselves a few minutes to read some of the March of Dimes website then ask why that exist. Then ask yourself why they don’t take a stance on pro choice/death. Disgusting. Complain to them!
hi im sorry bout ur handicap child
I WAS ALSO SAY ABORTION ARE BAD BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK SOME PEOPLE DON’T HAVE THE OPTION WETHER ARE NOT THEY CAN KEEP THEIR UNBORN CHILD. I MY SELF HAVE A 2 YEAR OLD SON AND WOULDN’T TRADE HIM FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD.BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WOMEN WHO WERE RAPED AND DIDN’T ASK TO BECOME PREGANT DO WE ALSO CONSIDER THEM TO BE MURDERS AS WELL.YEAH ADOPTION MAY SOUND BETTER THAN ABORTION BUT WHAT PERSON DO YOU KNOW WHEN WANT TO CARRY A BABY FOR 9 MONTHS AND JUST AS EASILY GIVE IT AWAY THEN YOU WAIT 18 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD TO WAIT AND SEE IF THE CHILD LOOKS FOR YOU AND THEN WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU TELL THE CHILD I DIDN’T WANT YOU I COULDN’T AFFORD YOU . NO MOTHER OR NO ONE I KNOW COULD SAY THAT TO ANOTHER PERSON. BUT I DON’T THINK ABORTION IS RIGHT BUT ALOT OF GIRLS DON’T HAVE A DECISION IN WETHER OR NOT THEY CAN KEEP THE BABY THE FAITH OF THAT CHILD LAYS IN THE HANDS OF SOMEONE ELSE. THE REASON I SAY THIS IS BECAUSE GROWING UP IN A SMALL TOWN THERE WERE NO SECRETS IF SOMEONE GOT PREGANT WE ALL KNEW BUT HER FATHER DIDN’T APPROVE OF IT HER MOTHER HAD PASSED AWAY AND WHATEVER LIFE SHE DID HAVE PLAN FOR THAT CHILD SEEM LIKE IT WASN’T HER DECISION TO MAKE HER FAMILY MADE IT FOR HER.
Tc…. You said you are a Christian. Did you know that to be a Christian is to be Christ like. You wrote WWJD? What would Jesus do? Well, Jesus loved the little children so much that He said, If anyone should offend one of these Little Ones, it would be better for him to have a millstone around his neck and be cast into the sea. Abortion Is nothing else but MURDER, the undefended, can’t even defend himself.
People that murder go to jail, but by the society that were living in they go free. It’s Wrong!
Mic
ABORTION THE THE WORST THING THAT YOU COULD DO TO A CHILD. IT IS A CRUEL AND SELFISH ACT OUT OF PURE HATRED. I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ANYBODY THAT COULD JUST KILL THEIR BABY BECAUSE THEY CAN’E FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF HAVING SEX AND PRODUCING A WONDERFUL CHILD.
I believe that abortion is the murder of children. These pictures are heartbreaking. But we should not resort to murder because others have. Does that make us any better than them? Abortion is a sin because murder is a sin. But, a sin is a sin. Lying is a sin. Although we do not view all sins the same (which we shouldn’t, because we are humans that live on earth), God views all sin the same. All sin is equally damnable and God will punish the thief, the liar, and the murderer alike. Abortion is forgivable and we should accept the sinner, not the sin. Would anyone want to accept Christ is we rejected them becasue they sinned? We all have sinned. All of us deserve hell. Whether we lie or murder, we should all go to hell. The only reason we ahve assurance on heaven is because we ahve found God and he has accepted us. If God accepts the sinner shouldn’t we? We must love those who sin and accept them. GOD LOVES ALL HUMAN BEINGS, FORGETTING WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. Pray that God will convict their hearts.
I believe abortion is murder also. If you don’t want any kids then you shouldn’t of laid down and had sex. These kids did not ask to be here. So don’t make a child pay for your mistakes. Someone like that will need pray in their life and Jesus.
I think people is wrong for killing there baby and ya’ll should go to hell for killing innocent babys
hi,
i think the people who do the abortions are worse then the parents, they have seen what all the chemicals and every thing can do to the un born baby yet they have no heart to put a stop to it. I think these people are screwed up and should honestly get help. half of these abortions are of babys nearly fully developed it makes me sick. if the parents dont want there child they could at least give birth to the angel and hope for a good home for it.
my heart honestly goes out to all them babys who have been MURDERED .x
To Angel and anyone interested.
Why would a mother hate her own child after birth. How does killing someone justify hate ??
To anyone considereng abortion, here is a thought……. why not do something for the thousands of infertile and childless couples like myself and go with adoptio, not abortion. There are many of us ready to welcome a bundle of joy into our home. Many agencies pay for all or most of the expences………please Im pleading, think of us,….dont abort. Thank you
There is one thing that we have to understand. The sexual act requires rensposibility!!!!! it is not just a pleasure! who does this??? none and abortions are the loud example. I admit that they are some difficult cases (like a pregnancy from a rape) where i wont take sides, but 95% of abortions today come from people that just dont care.They simply kill another human being for not spoiling their enjoyments.If this is not a sign that we became worse than animals,then what is?.
I am a Christian and have always considered myself pro-life. I don’t believe it is right to kill our unborn children simply because we feel they will not fit into our life plans–that is what birth control is for. However, two years ago I was pregnant with my second child when I learned that he had a fatal defect and would most likely die before the third trimester. If he didn’t die then, he would have died shortly after birth. I was devastated, and my husband and I were forced to make a heartbreaking choice. At 19 weeks I was induced and, after 14 hours of labor, my son was born still. We held him for several hours before we reluctantly let him go. We named him Arkin (the eternal King’s son) and have his ashes in an urn at home along with pictures and tiny footprints and handprints. Two years later we finally got pregnant again-and ended up going through the same ordeal–it has been determined that we are carriers of a recessive gene condition that caused both of our sons’ fatal defects.
I assure you that our decision to end both pregnancies was the best decision for us given the diagnosis, and I believe that God would not condemn us for it. I would still ike to make it clear that I believe abortion is wrong in the majority of cases it is performed. I think it is barbaric and I am thankful I had the choice of delivering my sons whole and of not having them torn from my womb, which inevitably would have been painful for both of us. Had that been my only choice, I may have chosen to endure the remainder of my pregnancies with the knowledge I would most likely deliver a dead baby, or at the very least hold him while he died in my arms. I wouldn’t wish that heartaches on anyone, and so I believe in protecting the rights of other mothers to choose what I chose if they find themselves in the same situation. Most of you on this site don’t seem to have any compassion, considering there are people out there like me who are made to feel guilty for the choices we make out of love for our children. Thinking in moral absolutes is seductively easy, but I strongly believe that God is seldom pleased with those who rigidly follow worldly rules without the regard for the consequences of others. Black-and-white thinking is a symptom of spiritual immaturity. When someone is suffering terribbly and then they die, what do we say about God? We say he is merciful! Our prenatal diagnosis presented us with a choice to be merciful, and perhaps had I not made the choice to end my pregnancies, God would ask me why I didn’t spare my children suffering when I had the chance. I was not about to bring my children into the world only so they would suffer needlessly and die. Thanks to my rights in this country, I was able to send them back to God before they knew any suffering. I hope everyone stops and thinks before they judge–if you have not been through it, don’t believe you can even begin to understand.
Update-
Aug. 13th, I posted on this topic, when My triplets were at grave risk of a total misscarriage.
A week later we made the choice not to have a “fetal reduction” and to just let god take them in his own time. We knew they wouldn’t live, we just didn’t want to be the ones to make the choice of when they died. The lord took them Sep. 17, at 23 weeks gestation. Because of his mercy, my one survivng triplet is now getting better, and appears will be joining us early december.
Thank you “lamb of god” for your kind words.
Gretchen
Religion has no business being imposed on a person’s right to do what they want with their own body. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, it’s her decision. Not the churches decision or the decision of any other religious fanatic. Women will always have abortions, whether it be legal or not. If Roe vs. Wade is overturned it will just push abortions underground and/or into another country. It will actually make things worse for everyone. The religious freaks should focus more energy on helping children that are starving to death and suffering every day. Or the little children being sexually abused everyday. The children that kill themselves because they suffer so much. Just because you read the bible doesn’t give you the right to make the rules about how other people should handle an unwanted pregnancy. There is a difference between believing in god and thinking you ARE god. Religion has screwed up everthing on this planet and continues to do so everyday.
As a person who is and will always be Pro-Choice (and by the way I am a father of an 11yr old daughter) I have to pose this question as I always do to friends of mine who are Pro-Life: If you are able to somehow get Roe v Wade overturned and abolished, then have you really won. Are you prepared to see in the newspapers and on television the hundreds or even thousands of woman’s names that will die as a result of “back alley abortions” if it has to come to that and be proud of that? In addition, I ask my friends if there is no option for women and our FORCED to have children that the are not ready to take care of for whatever reason and we all know there are many, then are “All” you pro-lifers going to step up to the plate with your high and mighty values going adopt these babies or bring them into your homes? I am quite sure that this will never happen because it is easy for you folks to speak out against this “legal” option but I never get an answer to that question, just blank looks and confused faces. It is amazing the hypocritical comments that come from your movement, it is quite laughable actually. On the one hand you so passionately are for life but it never enters into your mind that now these young children need a place to live and grow up other then foster care, which is a disgrace to say the least in this country. The fact that your agenda comes from strictly one of a religous point of view rather then actual rational thinking is a testament to why we have a constitution and the right to choose to do things in this country for our selves that is right for us rather then make others happy by conforming to a few out there that feel a certain way. I am sure that this probably won’t get posted, but if it does I can’t wait to see if I get an answer to any of the questions I have posed (i never do as I have said) then that is the true “miracle” not life itself. Lastly, I am in the legal field and approach things in an analytical prospective not by doctrine.
I am very pro-life and if women are THAT desperate to go get an illegal abortion in the first place, then maybe they do deserve thier punishment. I mean, come on, everyone knows that both legal and illegal abortions are unsafe and duh, the illegal ones are even worse (didn’t you all see Dirty Dancing??) but I think women need to do research and get educated before they think about even having an abortion. It is just too bad that a woman CHOOSES to have sex then gives her child the death penalty for her choosing. I don’t buy the rape card because only 1 percent of abortions come from the crime anyway. I think people need to think about what they are doing and who they are hurting…themselves and thier unborn.
Isn’t it great that we live in a country that respects people’s differences? We all have the right to make our own decisions regarding our own lives. I understand that most pro-lifers cite religious references to back their opinions on abortion. Here’s what the first amendment of the Bill of Rights says. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…” I understand your viewpoint on the subject, but to suggest that our government should formulate legal stature to support your religious views would violate the Constitutional rights of every American opposed to your viewpoint. Do you really feel that it is just to simply cast aside the foundation of our country to abide to your political views? I am not a religious man, but here’s a quote from the Bible. “Judge not lest ye be judged” Matthew 7:1. From my understanding of Christianity, it is God’s job to judge people for their actions and not that of his followers. Far be it from me to be judgemental of a woman who has an abortion, because having been born with a penis and pair of testicles, it is impossible for me to fully understand the complexity and difficulty of the situation she is facing. I believe it is absolutely wonderful when a baby is born to a loving mother and father who are ready and responsible enough to nurture and support it with the loving and care it needs. We should all be so fortunate. However, we are not. I hope that one day we can all agree that it is not our place to determine who is going to hell or heaven, and upon this realization can wind up a little less judgemental of each other.
I agree with most of you on here. I think that abortion is wrong and am strongly opposed to it being used as a form of birth control. I hate how it is a backup plan for selfish, irresponsible people to engage in meaningless sex. I feel as though if someone is willing to engage in the most intimate and personal act…sex, then they have to be willing to face the consequences. However, while I do not have an opinion either way on this, what do you all think about abortion being an exception when the baby is conceived through rape? Like I said, I am still opposed to it even in this case, but I was wondering if people feel a little more lenient when rape is involved.
Thanks,
Tom
Iam not for abortions at all. I truly believe your killing a life, and your taking away a child’s chance to have a life. I think it’s selfish, and i strongly believe that if you put your self in that situation, you need to deal with it, other than murdering a child! I can not have children, and it just makes me sick how many women are having abortions. Why not have your child and make it easier for people like me to adopt? Your the lucky one who god gave the chance to raise, and love a child, i cant have what you have, and i cant ever have children, and its way to expensive to adopt. We are a loving couple, and then we see people just throwing away the oppourtunity to have a family, and a beautiful little child, and its makes me so mad, and very upset. Honestly, you just cant imagine where iam coming from, you have the chance to have a blessing, i dont!!!!!!!!!!!!! So please stop.
as a pro-lifer i feel that doctors should educate women considering abortion what emotional and physical damages will be done, and what options are available to keep the baby, such as adoption, child services, income assistance and daycare programs. doctors hand out little pamphlets that just tell the procedure, and no moral values. i know they’re in a position of not to be pro or anti-anything, but to have the poor clueless woman educated in the life-long affects of her choices. if they can imagine one person, just one, that they care so deeply for that they would do anything, imagine that dear person not existing. her child as the chance to have that impact on another human being, and she’s depriving the world of a wonderful person.
YES, abortion is very WRONG……
These precious Babies are getting murdered each and every day just because of there non stop complaining of Not being ready for a baby or etc. excuses, excuses,,. than the should of used protection from getting pregnant if they weren’t ready! Don’t you think?
It’s not only the baby going through death but at times the mother goes along with them because of after abortion effects and it seems that Nobody is making an action on doing something besides talking about how wrong it is to get an abortion but you know its not only the women decision to have the abortion avaliable to them but the government and etc. are the main ones to blame for letting this horrible ABORTION LAW come out to be avaliable to have. Just cause our population is getting much greater that doesnt mean there has to be muders mudering there innocent unborn child…..
The system is so distructed that we lock up these murders right!
But Yet, oh wait lets have an abortion law in the United States to murder these unborn children and Hellooooo where back to murdering again but yet this time your letting this betraying females get away with it ?????????
We are all going to die some day but dying from after having an abortion is horrible especially when we loose out on a unborn child coming to earth and that unborn child could have been our next president, doctor, or something sucessful in life and it is being distroyed by these murders.
Hope this site gets really out there like at the clinics to show these pictures of poor babies getting torn apart because of there stupid decisions that these women make.
I say we should become volunteers for this unborn children getting aborted and go to these clinics and keep these women from getting an abortion that they will regret for the rest of there lifetime, and not only that but to keep those children from getting aborted also.
Let’s help……
Become the voice of these unborn children…..
Xoxo’s,
Siliana 2005 In Tucson, Arizona
i agree with the 15 year old i believe abortion should be the last thing on someones mind.I think if a girl gets pregnant than she should at least go with adoption first and not abortion because that’s just wrong.Know i’ve been a protester at tiller’s for a while and it’s just pitiful to see all those girls going i to get a abortion or going to get the shot i just belive that is wrong.I’m 15 and i have a baby i know i was young but at least i’m smarter than most of the that go into tiller’s to get an abortion when i found out i was pregnant i was smart and kept my baby not just threw it away like it was nothing.My baby is 7 months now and i love her to death i would never even think to kill my baby.I mean the baby’s can feel what the abortion feels like they can feel his or her legs being torn apart their brains being sucked out i mean come on how would you like it somone was tearing you limb from limb.well that’s all i got to say hopefully we can stop this nonsense and kepp babies alive so they can grow up and have a future.
i think kevin needs to go to the abortion clinic and watch a abortion then he would see what it really looks like and maybe he’ll change his mind.
So here is the dealio, I was asked to write a paper for high school, an arguementive essay. I chose my topic on adoption vs. abortion….Pro Adoption, see I was adopted when I was three days old. I disagree with abortion 95%, why 95%? Because the other 5% is for all of the young girls who are being raped, and the girls only being 10years old to 14 years old. They are still children themselves, I believe they should not suffer. But if you are sexually active you are taking the chance, (using protection or not) of becoming pregnant.
See this is the thing, if you are active, whether or not you are prepared to care for a child, there is no reason that baby girl or boy should be killed/murdered. Take responsibility, go through with the pregnancy!
If you are not ready to care for a child, their are thousands of couples out in the world who want to adopt, who want children! Also, doctors may say that the baby is just a bunch of cells grouped together, but they are wrong! They are lying to you! A infant is fully formed, ten fingers ten toes by the 14th day! And they are continuelly growing! These babies are our next presidents, teachers, mothers and fathers… give the child a chance, give him/her a chance at life, the same chance you were given…
An unborn baby still a baby, even in the moment of conception, (psalm 139-13), no matter in what situation was conceived.
abortion is another way to commit murdered, is just an empty way to try to justify it, no matter how you pictured.
My wife works in a pre pregnancy program who supports woman through pregnancy on the third level of a building; and in the second floor theres a abortion clinic.
several woman come daily and they go up to the third level asking for the abortion clinic, right on the momment she and her work group quickly share that abortion is NOT an option, is not the right choice and will cause bad concequences.
Many woman change their mind and decided to get into the pregnancy program. sharing the true will help them to make the right choice.
Is a life death situation and people dont know, thats why we need to communicate that always theres somebody who cares about you and want to help.
“theres always hope, dont give up on a child, theres plenty of associations who can help and support you, dont take the easy way out , do the right thing, give birth to YOUR child”
God bless.
i think its a terrible thing they are doing that to babys / iknow how it feels my mother made me have an abortion at age 16 when i didnt want to i didnt imagine they would do such a terrible thing i think it should be illegal know i mthe one suffering i feel guilty i just dont know what to do sometimes i wish i had my baby with me in my arms carrying him thats something i will never forgive my mother about the only person i have giving meadvices is my boyfriend the father of the baby hes the only persom ive had this hole time and i thank him for being here it hurts me so much i just dont know what i should do i feel really guilty please help me
Dear Ingrid:
Please contact Rachel’s Vineyard http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/
I’ll pray for you.
Debbie
from their website:
Rachel’s Vineyard is a safe place to renew, rebuild and redeem hearts broken by abortion. Weekend retreats offer you a supportive, confidential and non-judgmental environment where women and men can express, release and reconcile painful post-abortive emotions to begin the process of restoration, renewal and healing.
Rachel’s Vineyard can help you find your inner voice. It can help you experience God’s love and compassion on a profound level. It creates a place where men and women can share, often for the first time, their deepest feelings about abortion. You are allowed to dismantle troubling secrets in an environment of emotional and spiritual safety.
Rachel’s Vineyard is therapy for the soul. Participants, who have been trapped in anger toward themselves or others, experience forgiveness. Peace is found. Lives are restored. A sense of hope and meaning for the future is finally re-discovered.
damn….all this and it leads to arguments..what has the world become of us…stop the killings and live it freely…somethimes you should be glad for what fate brings you..its sad for you to just make up your mind and do idiotic things like that..
WOW AFTER SEEING THESE PICTURES IT MAKES ME REALLY SAD BUT YET SO MAD!! WHO WOULD DO SUCH THINGS TO A BABY WHICH IS AT FAULT FOR NOTHING BUT LIVING IN THIS WORLD!!
I was writting an essay on abortion and how it should be illegal and i decided to leave a comment by saying this: Abortion is wrong. U abort a baby u r killin an innocent child of god. it is not rite. these pictures may b graphic but they need to b shown so that ppl may see the ugliness of abortion. We care momre abut the things we can see and hear but we dont care about the things that cannot speak out for themselves. (in this case a baby in a mothers womb). i hope ppl are touched by wat i am saing b/c it’s he truth and we all need to open up our ears and listen. I am only 16 years old and i know wat is rite and i am not afraid to fight for wat i love and i love life and i love children and above all i love my mother for giving me life. she let me live
I reaserched this project as i finall isment at the end of the trimester and presented the facts to my class. Angel i strongly disagree with. I eat organically and my friend was doing a presentation on prochoice, which im against, but after seeing these photos we realize that the unborn child is physically just as alive as any of us. It is not these childrens fault. It was the mother who choose not to go through the consequences of unprotected sex. So why should the child a creation of god have to pay? People need to change their priorities at this point in life and there are allternatives to abortion. Adoption and child care services can be a great help. I know people that have gone to abotion clinics and have turned it down because they couldn’t imagine killing their own child. Now they’re living happily and getting a second chance at being successful.
i think you are all allowed to have your own opinion, but the way you state it, you make it sound as though you are all trying to force god on people. everyone should be able to think what they want about abortion and god with out being bombarded by you. how do you know that god does not approve of abortion? he may have let it go on because, if some one did not get an abortion, something would come into this world and be unwanted.
Where exactly are those pictures from? It seems like a lot of the dead fetuses there were probably extracted dead – that is, they were dead in the womb and removed for the sake of the mother’s health. There is no way to know that these are aborted fetuses we’re looking at.
hi im 22 with a 2 year old,i have always known abortions were wrong but i didnt know just how wrong.looking at the pictures of them poor tiny babys totaly helpless and unable to stop what was going on.the one person in the world who is surposed to love you know matter what is ripping you out of her body,it is a realy sad sight.
I came across these pictures trying to find more information on my college speech on partial-birth abortion. I find it sickening and troublesome that people would actually resort to this. I know many people and a couple family members who have had an abortion or two in their lifetime, and I find it very hard to swallow. Thank God I consider myself very pro-life. These babies do not deserve to be violated in such a gruesome manner.
These pictures are horrible. No question about that. But these are NOT ABORTED babies. Why do y’all prolifers think you have to resort to posting propaganda photos. These babies were clearly victims of torture or burning. NOT ABORTION. Stop lying to futher your agenda. It’s sickening. The decision to have an abortion is a moral one–between a woman and God. The government has no right legislating morality!! If you’re not pro-choice then DON”T have an abortion. Everyone has a right to chose.
Chris,
Unfortunately, the dead babies pictured here are well-documented abortion deaths. Why do you choose to live in a fantasy world when it comes to this subject? You want women to choose, but deny that what they are choosing is a brutally destroyed baby boy or girl. Denial is unhealthy.
And as for legislating morality, all law legislates someone’s idea of morality. For example, laws against theft protect the moral objection to taking what does not belong to you without paying for it. Seatbelt laws, while some believe go too far, have at their heart the moral belief that life has value and must be protected. Decriminalized abortion is merely a reflection of someone’s twisted moral view that it is somehow acceptable to rip the arms and legs off defenseless babies if they are an inconvenience to one’s life.
You have a lot of wrong thinking spinning about in that head of yours, based on your misinformed post. Hope you can get some of that straightened out by reading this and other good web sites.
those pictures are truly sad and all i can is that i am upset anyone thinks this behavior is acceptable. to those of who see nothign wrong with the photos, would you kill you terminally ill mother because she was too much work? would you kill your grandmother who needs at home care because you didn’t ask for the responsibility? if you have a child would you kill him because his illness or disability was unfairly pushed on you? and in case you wonder i do support the death penalty. everyone has the right to be born, but there are things that one can do to revoke that right.
but these are babies who are allowed ot be salughtered beucase they have no voice. they can’t speak to their mothers, to politicians, to anyone. this means no motherly/moral obligation, no voting potential, no one to care. and it breaks my heart.
Hi, with just looking at these pictures i find it crule and horrible that anyone could even think to do this to a poor little inecent human being. I think that Abortion is wrong but you do have to think about all of the situations for example if you where a mother of a young girl who was raped and became pregnate would you want her to have the baby and not be able to have it and would you really want your daughter at such a young age to go throw that and not be ready. Athough some people do make a wounderful confultion to this by giveing the baby away when born but would you really want your daughter going through child birth at such a young age?
There are so many good arguments to both sides but as i stand i belive that everything happends for a reason and if you have become pregnate you should keep that baby and not kill it.
I would though be infavor of makeing it illigal to have abortionsd except if you are raped.
may god bless you
Meg
i’m 17, and 4 weeks pregnant. im not one of those irresponsible teens that just have sex without protection, because i did, and the condom broke. i went to get the Emergency contraceptive pill, but it failed, and here i am now. at first, i wanted to keep this baby. i was so happy, i still am, but im so afraid of not being able to give this child the kind of life it deserves. i want to go to college, that was my plan. i dont know what to do, and i need to make a decision quick. im happy to know there is a living organism inside of me…but im so afraid.
please help me.
I am a young mother of two beautiful little girls Layla and Haley. I go to bed evey night thanking God he sent them to me. I also so pray for the people who may never know the joy of having their own children. Then i pray for those selfish women who take the life of an unborn child who could have brought joy to some other persons life. These pictures are so heartbreaking. To think that someone could do that and live on like nothing ever happened. I think is a great website and I truely hope that anyone thinking of abortion will see this and change their mind.
All I have to say is that abortion is EXTREMLY wrong! If God let’s you be pregnant that’s because he want’s you to have a little miracle. He doesn’t just go and give every woman the baby! If you really don’t want the baby you either put it for adoption, or in the begining you shouldn’t of had sexual relationships! Some people out there actually can’t have children and yet there are some people out there killing there baby!
Well anybody who want’s to have abortion read these comments and think about it! If you STILL want to have abortion well then give it up for adoption!
i am pro choice. who are you to decide what people must do, or what choices are right? because this world is all about just that: CHOICE.
i dont think that we should terminate pregnancies casually, but abortion is necessary. it has always happened, only now it is legal, performed by registered practitioners in safer environments. developments such as the pill and the morning-after pill have helped to liberalise women- they can only have a child if they want to- and that, to me is what is important. the freedom to make up your own mind and do what you want to do without the persecution of others, for example groups such as operation rescue.
i think that it’s okay to disagree with abortion- but dont try to force others to comply. not everyone is a christian and believes that they will go to hell just because they couldnt cope with a pregnancy.
operation rescue is hypocritical, using emotionally manipulative images, intimidation and abuse of people with different views. if you dont like abortion then simply dont have one, but you cant make women feel guilty from choosing to do so because it is their right to choose what they want to do with their bodies.
i am not a christian, i am fourteen years old and currently have no religion. i believe in sex before marriage, freedom, morality and that everybody has the right to make up their own mind.
Photographs of babies. Can you help?
I am making a quilt to be on display. I am hoping to display my quilt where women and girls will be able to view God’s beautiful creations.
I would like to display it at one of our Pro Life clinics.
I need photographs of babies, that the mother thought about abortion but decided against it. (Praise God!)
All races, any size. Babies that live today because of Pro-Life.
I am going to incorporate these photos into the quilt.
This is a vision of mine, and the will of God for me to handle. It’s one my ministries. Is there anyway you can help me out?
I need .jpg or better yet .tiff format, or actual photos that I can scan.
I can return any photos if needed.
I need 200 dpi or more resolution photographs.
Please contact me.
Lynette Busche
10826 W. Godsell Ave.
Hales Corners, WI 53130
414 427-3812
lbusche@wi.rr.com
Or you may contact the “Love Life Library” and they will see to it that I receive the photo.
Thank you for any help,
Lynette
I think that some times abortion are right, but i don’t hate or dislike any one that has one. I have friends that have had abortions I don’t tell them it is the wrong thing because it isn’t my life, also i don’t know how i would feel in that sitituation. Recently one of my sisters friends had an abortion she was 14, there is obversley something seriously wrong with the gorverment and education auorities because they never want to teach our children only to perform horrid operations to put their mistakes right. I’m not saying that parents don’t play apart. I live with a very easy going mother, who has also had an abortion between me and my sister. She taught me alot abot sex and females and males, but I still didn’t feel comfortable being able to ask for the pill. She always said it would be fine, but when she found out she was upset, I was her little girl. It isn’t easy for young people, I think it is wrong to pressure opinons on to them when they are having a hell of a hard time. Try being supportive and remember it’s not your life, and you have no idea what they are going through at that time.
Abortion is a sad end to an unwanted pregnancy. Instead of putting all our focus on judgement and calling a woman selfish and telling her she will go to hell, let’s all start releasing the love of God in the world. Pray—don’t judge. If you don’t understand why a woman would do that, than ask God for understanding. While a woman has an abortion, which is sin, you too sin because you name call and judge. You too will answer to God for that.
A woman who terminates her pregnancy is without a doubt “lost”. She does not know of God’s greatness. She doesn’t understand how He will make a way for her. That He is the provider, comforter, healer, and delivery. That’s what this world needs to come together for. Let’s make His ways known to the world around us. Let’s pray for change. God says it is not our battle & the problem is not with the person, but the spirit controlling that person. Prayer changes things! He that is in us is stronger than the enemy of the world. Christ died so that we may be forgiven & too live an abundant life Glorifying His name.
He also said on the cross, “Forgive them Father for they do not know”. These women do not know Christ! If we change that then the lies of the enemy regarding abortion will be sent to the pit of hell and women and innocent children will be saved and live the life we are all called to live. Again, don’t judge a women. You are not wearing her shoes. Just love as Christ loves us. If you want to help and make a change, than spread the love of God all around you and watch His wonderous plans manifest into the world.
The best thing you can give to a lost mother is prayer and unconditional love. Try to see these precious women of God as He sees them. Pray for them to know the truth, to know that God is there refuge and strength. Pray against the lies the enemy feeds them! Pray! Pray! Pray!….and watch our Heavenly Father work all around us.
Blessings,
Tammy M.
First things first, I agree that abortion is wrong. In most cases. However, if I was raped and impregnated with a muderer’s baby and I realised I was pregnant before the baby was 6 weeks old, I’d terminate. I do believe in sex before marriage in a loving relationship with protection, but think it’s best to save having a baby until in a secure marriage. Not all people are God fearing and live by the Bible, I myself am an atheist but believe the Bible is very important in a lot of peoples’ lives and is the basis of what our morals are set on. Mind you, I am very open minded and believe that there may be a creator or a higher power at work, karma at the very least.
In short, I do believe that 99% of abortions are wrong. But I don’t think it’s fair for 14 year olds to condemn people straight away for having to make a very difficult decision. There’s two sides to every coin but I do believe in this day and age that pregnancies should only be had when planned (I myself am on the pill and use condoms with my partner).
So please, it is not only the babies that are losing their lives to abortion, many women commit suicide due to the guilt of having an abortion and the majority of women find it nearly impossible to live with themselves after making a tough decision that they may regret.
Plain and simple- Absolute Evil !
i’m hearing a lot of “god talk”. me personally? not a god fan but, I know a thing or two. what about his gift of free agency, the gift that “god” gave us to make our own decisioins? now i’m not saying that abortion is great or anything i agree that there are better ways. but at least with clinics around so we dont have to worry about women armed with coat hangers and paper towls taking action
P.S what about rape? i wouldent want a rapests baby to be inside me or in our world let them have it
cheers!!!!
i thought about havin an abortion with my 3rd pregnancy but God keeps on tellin me nooooooooooo….after seeing all this babies killed i wont even think about it~
First of all, I used to be pro-life. That was until I was raped at 19 by a complete stranger. I was raped by a police officer to be more specific. On top of that, he got away with it and got his job back. I didn’t get an abortion and went through the pain and humiliation of being another pregnant teen and not because I wasn’t careful, but because someone forced me onto a table and raped.
My rapist then brought me to court and I had to get “treatment” because he accused me of being a bad mother (this was before the baby was even born!!!!) Than the child was born and he promtly wanted SOLE custody of the child!!!!! Unfortunately the child died of SIDS 3 weeks after I gave birth to her.
You all belive abortion is wrong, but after what my rapist was able to do, I wish I had been pro-choice. No one should have to go through what I did. I am no longer pro-life because it ruined my life.
Well 1st of all I’d like to start by saying that I do know people who have had abortions and it still effects them years later. I had a friend who recently became pregnant and decided to have an abortion, me and my husband advised her not to do so but she did it and is now in therapy. Personally, I think anyone who could ever consider and would take their own child’s life, is cold and heartless. There are other ways of going about not having the child, like adoption. There are over 200,000 families in the U.S. alone that are waiting to adopt. Why take away a life because of one night of irresponsible sex? No matter how you look at, abortion is murder! You’re taking a life of a child that didn’t have a say so in being conceived. And now if women decide to get an abortion they are taking away the babies choice to live. What would you decide if you were that baby? Life or death?
Pro Abortion Says:
October 18th, 2004 at 11:13 am
I’m going to do something that I don’t do often: quote myself.
“If anyone here has the ability to make an anti-abortion argument without using the words “God” or “Bible”—or even mentioning anything that has to do with their own religious beliefs—then I’m all for hearing it.”
I have not read the previous two posts because upon a quick glance I noticed the very keywords I do not want to hear. Face it, without a religious argument, you can’t argue against abortion.
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Without God or the Bible you can’t argue against rape, murder of adults, incest, or any other MORAL issue.
Comment to Jesus servent I do have a argument against rape , murder, incest and abortion that doesnt involve the bible, how about that it hurts people deeply and effects some one other then your self so therefor no problem if you want to murder your self but what gives you the right to choose to end some one elses life? Maybe your mother should have considered abortion for you ha?Do you agree?
This link is a lie, i would have never clicked it but it said they were not abortion pictures and they are, this is heartrenching as a mother of four, and just lost a baby that was Ectpic, and now pregnant again at 27 weeks, looking at these, as my baby inside me is kicking, thinking to myself is their a God. Who could take these lives, I’m not a hatefull person, but i think these woman should throw theirselves away too. And the people who don’t believe in God and would do this, I wish they had had this done to them. Since most of these woman had allowed theirsevlves to get pregnant.
I just had a baby boy three weeks ago. I was on the pill and still got pregnant. So you pro-deathers who want to contracept the entire world and tell us this will end abortion…contraception sometimes fails!
Secondly, to those who intone that second trimester abortions are wrong, but first trimester abortions are morally ok…trimester is a TERM not an actual moment in time…there is no magic moment where the fetus is a non-human blob but at the stroke of midnight it becomes the second trimester and suddenly there is a human child with fingers and toes! the only definitive moment in time is at CONCEPTION when 23 chromosomes from dad, and 23 from mom combine to make a GENETICALLY SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL. the rest of the pregnancy whether it be six weeks or six months is just GROWTH. thats it.
also, I had my first ultrasound at 5 weeks because they thought my pregnancy was tubal, and five weeks after conception my child’s beating heart was clearly visible…my baby had a huge head and these arms and legs that stuck straight out! I cried because it was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen! So to the girl who said abortion was okay before 6 weeks…by six weeks your child is completely formed!
And finally, I am tired of all these men (and some bitter women too) who post on this site stating that women need to abort their babies or they would abuse them. THANKYOU oh so much for reducing my gender to a bunch of child-beating, selfish, whoring, uneducated brats who can’t possibly find the inner strength to endure nine months of pregnancy so their children can experience a lifetime. You’re all so right…we need abortion because women are weak! We can’t give life to our children…we might give birth and beat them! If we get raped we HAVE TO KILL, its the only way to overcome the trauma of the rape! Women need to be surgically altered in order to be healthy, loving, functioning human beings. Note my sarcasm. And the women who trumpet abortion claim to be real femenists?
also, the second picture from the top is the picture I saw at 8 that made me pro-life. I knew at 8 what I was looking at and yet there are adults on this site who try to deny the truth…yes, these are ACTUAL photos of ACTUAL pre-born human beings who were ACTUALLY torn apart (tortured) and BURNED (by saline) if you go to a med school and find a textbook on embryology you will see that aborted babies are not the size of a grain of rice. someone said that on a post up above. you can try to feed yourselves your lies but in this day and age its very easy to find the truth (look on the internet) etc…
You know, I almost wish the world would end soon. What have we as humans, reduced ourselves to? How many more immoral and inhumane acts will we tolerate before we no longer act like human beings. People with a conscience? I am the mother of 3 daughters. When I was pregnant with my first child at age 20, I became very sick and almost died because I developed HELLP Syndrome (too long to describe here, you can google it if you’d like to find out more). My daughter was born 5 weeks early via c-section, weighing 4lbs. She, amazingly enough did quite well and had a strong will to survive. I on the other hand, almost didn’t make it. I woke up from a coma 3 days after her birth and am still suffering the effects of that trauma. I was back on the pill shortly after having my baby at the recommendation of my OB. 5 months later, I was pregnant again. I took my birth control pills faithfully, NEVER missing a dose. So for those of you skeptics, it can happen. Nevertheless, I was scared because of my first pregnancy. My OB suggested that I have an abortion as the possiblity of me getting HELLP again was very good and since it was so soon, my body wouldn’t have the chance to recover and the likelihood of me dying this time was very great. My husband and I talked this over, prayed about it, researched everything we could and ultimately, it came down to me. I could not, nor would I kill my baby. I would have died for her, even if it meant she would die too. I had to give her a chance. My doctor urged me to change my mind, but once he realized how serious I was, he embraced my decision and promised he would do everything he could to see me through this. I was in his office once a week, on aspirin therapy for the duration, on bedrest the last few weeks and generally got really sick of seeing him so much. I did begin to develop the disorder again towards the end of my pregnancy, but delivered my healthiest baby of them all via c-section at 36 weeks. THANK GOD I gave life a chance. Look what I would have missed out on. Sure, my doctor did have my best interest at heart, but he underestimated the will of this mother and that of her unborn, living child/fetus, whatever you wish to call her. Seven years later, I had my last daughter. She was planned and I was again supervised for the duration. I gave birth to her at 37 weeks via my last c-section and she spent 6 days in the NICU due to breathing problems. I am finished having children. As I get older, the risks are far too great considering I have high risk pregnancies anyhow.
This is a far cry from the beliefs I used to hold. I used to be Pro-Abortion. I, too, thought it was the woman’s right to choose. I was uneducated and naive on the matter. I know a woman who has murdered 3 of her children because it was an effective form of birth control. Timing wasn’t right, she couldn’t afford it, a baby would crimp her lifestyle, blah, blah, blah. Well, I can assure her, she sure as hell crimped those babie’s lifestyles. When is it ok to kill an unborn, unarmed and defenseless, innocent child?? I used to think that if I were raped & got pregnant, which for years I was (sexually molested and worried about getting pregnant as I started my period when I was only 10), I would have wanted an abortion. My views have changed. It’s not the baby’s fault. Why punish the baby? A baby is a gift, no matter how it got there. Even if you were raped, what a noble gesture to carry that child and give it a chance at life. What a way to embrace the gift that God had given you. Yes, He has plans for every one of His children. Whether we can understand it or not, there is a reason for everything. God planned that for us. What if Mary had said, “Well, God. I didn’t ask for this child, so I’ll just have some murderer come on over and rip your gift from my body and throw it away ok? Find someone else.” Sometimes life is about so much more than our own selfish, unappreciating wants and desires. That, my friends, is where evil resides. But, we are human after all…And as one person quoted, “God hates sin, but he loves sinners.” I, for one, am glad He does.
God bless you all.
TO ANYONE out there that finds nothing upsetting or wrong with these pics I say this to you….YOU ARE A VERY DISTURBED INDIVIDUAL!!!!
I have had 8 children with some being conceived by rape.
They are all very precious to me. None of them are like their father. They are just wonderful children. The only trouble I have is when others think I should have got an abortion.
I find those pictures very disturbing, but I am still Pro-Choice. Please understand that when someone says that they are Pro-Choice, that doesn’t mean that they are Pro-Abortion. I don’t wish the trauma of abortion on anyone, but I do respect a woman’s right to decide what they want. Who are you to decide what is right for someone else?
i believe in pro-choice only for these reasons any other reason i am against it. If you get raped and the baby is no more than 6 to 8 weeks old. More likely the father may never be found and for the reason that most girls in this country that get raped are under the age of 16 and there bodys can not handle a pregnancy at that age. The only other reason i can see for someone aborting a child if such tests are done and without a doubt the child will be born with complications and never walk or move there arms. I believe if you open up your legs freely than you accept the fact of preganancy and carry that baby full term cause you have no excuse. A person should only be allowed to abort a child if they were raped or found out that the baby will have serious side effects making it impossible for the child to have a normal healthy life. I don’t believe in god either wasn’t there myself to witness the whole religion thing and don’t believe there is a hell cause i believe the definition of hell is trying to get through life in this country cause so many bad things happen to good people and our country the United States is too busy worrying about every other country they can’t provide proper laws and protection for us.
I remain silent, like many others, but I have had three abortions, in 1973, one in the ’80′s and one in 1990. I later got married and had 3 miscarriages and have adopted a little boy. I think back and am furious at the pro-choicers. I had no “choice.” It was described as a tragic situation to be pregnant and in college, not wanting to ruin my own life, I thought. I never expected to get pregnant any of the times because I was not promiscuous. It was just these few times and I got pregnant, not being on birth control. I want these girls nowadays to be told by people like us how WRONG it is for any type abortion. I have not told anyone in my family about these and my husband has no clue. I am furious with myself and the “liberals” for allowing this to be a part of a woman’s choice to kill her own baby. Women must take responsibility for their own bodies and when pregnant, DEAL WITH IT. And the BS about women being raped or molested? No excuse. It is still a child. Liberals don’t face facts. They just change things around to have their “facts” result from what they want.
We must stop abortion and inform the public with color photos of these abortions and films if they can be taken and exposed. And selfish women who believe it’s inconvenient to give birth, deal with it and get the child adopted by a family who will respect life and love and care for the child.
I hope this helps anyone who is pro-abortion,
pro-choice or undecided on how they feel towards abortion:
No matter what you chose we all had something in common at one time.
We were once a week old fetus that lived in a woman’s womb.
We all, at one point in our lives, were developing “little masses” that didn’t look like a human at all.
Today, as you sit here and read this, we are people, human beings. If someone were to take your life away right now it would be murder. Nobody can argue that. But at what point did we become “human beings” or “people”? The answer is easy, at the point of conception. If a person “becomes” a human being at birth then why is the growth and develpment in the womb so very important? A life is inside the mother’s womb the moment she becomes pregnant. Science cannot argue that. Every stage, every month, every day is important for an unborn child. Even scientists agree with that. They say: “Don’t smoke, don’t do drugs or don’t drink, it could harm the baby.” Why would mothers need to take care of themselves if the baby wasn’t really a “human being” just because if was not born yet? No matter what week an unborn child is in, it is still a child. We were all that little unborn child at one time in our lives. You cannot deny that.
Im a 16 year old girl and i have always been againt abortion because i believe that it is the womans choice to have sex so therefore she would be at risk of getting pregnant and chould have used protection if she didn’t want to get pregnant, so there are no excuses for a woman to get rid of an innocent child like that. Yeah those pictures litrally made me cry it’s just so horrific no matter what there are no excuses that can cover up for abortion it’s just murder. It’s just shocking to think someone could actually do that as a job and not care about wasting a little innocent life.
Let me ask ya’ll something… Ya’ll are all saying that people will go to hell if they have a abortion. But didn’t you ever thing that they may be to young or that they might not have enough money or that things could have gone wrong. So before everyone sits here and judges people on havin abortions they should look at their situations. Thank you!
Dear Sarah L. To answer your question; YES, UNLESS. The UNLESS part is the important part. We all sin and do wrong and no sin is lesser than another. You may have murdered your child but if you turn to JESUS he will not only forgive you he will restore you. All of the pain and guilt will be mitigated. There are millions of people, men and women, (myself included) that have turned away from their stubborn pride and begged forgiveness. Jesus has said that he will not turn you away. IT MUST BE DEEP DOWN REAL. Please don’t let stubbornness or someone else’s opinion guide you, try it in private. Ask Jesus to show you if this is true. I recommend In Touch Ministries on the Internet for an easy way to hear this as Charles Stanley can say this so much better than myself. May the peace of God be with you.
Sara,
I just thought I would say that you could be right; many women go through situations where they can not care for a child, but let me say this abortion is not the only option!!! There a millions of people in this world that would give their life just to have a child of their own and then there are those who throw their child away with abortion. There is always someone that will take that child and love it and give it the best life possible. Who has the right to decide when a life gets cut short….I know it shouldn’t be someone that had a one night thing and didn’t protect herself in the situation. A lot of these women are out here doing who they want when they want and when a child is conceived in the process they just think “oh abortion fixes all that”. It might for a little while, but not forever. I believe if you think you are women enough to engage in the act of sex you should take the responsibility of having the baby. If that baby is born and you still don’t want him/her then leave him/her at the hospital…but give that child a chance at life! Don’t act like God and take a life that was given to you out of love. God has a reason for everything, even a baby being born to an unfit mother. I know everyone asks what if you were raped and during the act you conceived a child. This is a hard topic for most, but for me it is quite easy….been there….done that and yes it’s hard as hell, but somewhere in the world that beautiful little girl has a family that loves her and cares for her everyday. Why you ask, because I never deprived her of that. I only deprived her of knowing the true reason to why I did not keep her. Even though she was not conceived out of love I still miss her everyday and there is not a day that goes by that I regret what I did. If I had it to do all over again she would be here in my arms, but I know that she is in someone else’s arms and that makes me happy. So I know that abortion is not right any time….not in the first week………..and not any time after that. That’s all have to say and I know that this is just my opinion, but like I said I was there once and there is NO reason to MURDER an innocent child!
I am a mother of an adorable 17 month old boy and am expecting my second baby in october this year. I will never understand nor would I have a frozen solid heart to have or carry out an abortion. I don’t understand also how anybody in this world would become a murderer, regarless of the situation. Nor will I ever understand the people (persons) that are fine with the decicion of having an abortion. Especially the ones that are or become abortionists, WHY BE AN ABORTIONIST AS WELL AS A PARENT AT THE SAME TIME???? Think about it and you will find it makes no sense, BEING A PARENT AND KILLING OTHER BABIES!!!!!!!! BUT I AM GLAD THAT WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND AND BOTH THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN ABORTIO AS WELL AS THE ONES THAT CARRY IT OUT WILL NEVER LIVE A DAY NOT THINKING OF HOW OR WHY THEY DID IT OR EVEN THOUGHT OF IT!!!!!!!!!! I FEEL SORRY FOR ALL OF THOSE THAT THINK ABORTION IS ALRIGHT,,, BECAUSE THANKS TO THE PERSON THAT DECIDED TO LET THEM LIVE,,THEY ARE HERE NOW NOT THINKING OF THAT AND NOT GIVING THE SAME TO SOME ONE THAT IS JUST AS INNOCENT AS ONE DAY THOSE PEOPLE WHERE…….
As a student writing a term paper on abortion, I’ve been exploring all these sites and still feel so oddly out of place. As a homo, i’ve never really thought about abortion or babies at all. But some of these sites have really opened my eyes. I know many people will probably say ‘you have no right to comment cause your gay and not a christian, so just leave’ but I do want to say that it has opened my eyes. Wither or not I believe in a christian god or the bible, when looking at these sites, something inside me just went cold. It is murder…..even if a girl is raped, she could just take the morning after pill so it wouldn’t have to come to this. If a girl has unprotected sex, pop a pill right after…but for girls to let it get so far that the baby has hair and eyes and delicate little features? It’s wrong…and I know there are couples out there wanting to adopt so bad. My partner and I have talked about adoption so many times…and it’s so hard because the few kids out there never go to gay couples who could love them just as much as anyone else. More so sometimes because gay couples tend to be so damn thankful to actually get a child that nothing in the world could ever be as wonderful as the day you get to hold a baby in your arms. All of these babies…so many of them just tossed away when there are people I know crying day and night because they want to raise a family together.
I guess I’m rambling here…but the one thing I did notice about pro-life sites was a lack of adoption links and programs that would provide money for young women who can’t afford pre-birth care. Also, I do hope one day, church run open adoption centers will open the doors to same-sex couples….or at least remember that dispite sexual preference, gays and lesbians can still be supporters of the Pro-Life movement.
Abortion is the most grousome thing ive ever seen in my life. Im doing a high school paper on it and i’ve cried on everyhting ive saw on abortion.Who ever even thinks about abortion is crazy because how could you kill a pour innocent life??? I dont support abortion and I never will. As long as im on this earth i will always think abortion is another way muder!!!!
I Belive that abortion is wrong! For one it is not our chioce of who should live or who should die. God is our creator,and he alone shoul have the say! I belive that if God allows a child to be concived it’s because he has a pupose with it. I belive everything happens for a reason. Let me tell you a story that backs up what i’m saying. My Great Grandmother from my fathers side was raped from that rape my grandmother was born and from my grandmother came my father and then from my father came me. If my Great grandmother would have aborted then nither my grandma nor my dad or me would have ever been born. I am a christian woman and am pregnate with my first child, and i belived god has a pupose for my son. I am thankful to God for he has bessed me with the mirical of life. further more anyone who has an abortion is a murder and if you know something from the bible you would well know that in the ten commendments God said thou shall not kill!
As awful as these images are, people have the right to choose. Leave religion out of the argument. There are so many religions throughout the world, it is wrong to argue that ‘Abortion is wrong because God says so…’ When it comes down to it, its not religion that says something is good or bad, it’s your own personal judgment.
People have different values, morals, feelings, and thoughts. Who has the right to impose their beliefs on anyone else? Just because this organization is Pro Life, and many people here say ‘Abortion is Horrible’ and so on, that’s your own personal perspective. I would commend you in your beliefs and decisions to not have an abortion, but to those out there that choose to do so, so be it. It’s their decision, not yours. It’s their right to choose what to do with their body. Is an unborn child not attached to its mother? Therefore, if that mother chooses for any such reason that she needs an abortion, by all means, she has that right to make that decision.
In the end, I am neutral on the topic of abortion. I guess what I am saying is that for those of you who are so against abortion, I commend you on your beliefs and personal decisions for not having one. But I do believe that nobody has the right to impose their own beliefs on anyone else. Everyone has the right to make decisions as to what they want to do. Thus, leave it at that.
i’m deinfiantely 4 choice, that poor litle baby should get 2 choose, right? it’s not right 2 let him (or her) suffer for ur mistake, it’s the women’s CHOICE 2 have sex, so like, STAY PURE!!! I’M ONLY 14, and i know better than adults, y is the youth of this nation corrupted at such a young age? sex isen’t safe unless u r married. PLZ answer me this, Y DO PPL THINK MURDER IS A RIGHT????? c’mon WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DEATH CHAMBERS AMERICA!!!!! ABORTION MILLS ARE THE GAS CHAMBERS OF THE 21ST CENTURY WAR!!!! i’ve been making speeches, and protesting in front of clinics since i was born!!!! and every day i try to thank God 4 giving me another day on earth 2 live, and from now on, i’m gonna thank my mom for giving birth 2 me, and not aborting me!! i mean, i’m sure everyone would want their mom 2 choose life 4 u, right? SO MAKE THE COICE 4 THOSE OTHER LITTLE BABIES INSIDE THEIR MOM’S WOMB WHO CAN’T LET HER KNOW THAT THEY WANNA LIVE!!!!
well all i have to say is who ever approves of abortion is a murderer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
…………………….i have nothing to say about this besides it is wrong to have abortions. an abortion is murder and should not be llegal.
thats so sad i dont know why a person would want too do tht to a pour kid=[
What does a 12 week embryo look like? These are all late term abortions, but your fact page said the majority of abortions are preformed befor 12 weeks?
I am 19 and on my second baby. You really have something going here on this site! I am proud of you. People need to see this… I never knew that from a couple of weeks the baby has fingers and toes. I am currently 7 months and 1 week pregnant… and it gives a whole new meaning to every little kick and move I feel from my baby girl. Originally I thought, “hey! if you want to abort… it’s your choice” But this has drastically changed my opinion and I abhore the thought of abortion. IF YOU CANT TAKE CARE OF A BABY! sHUT YOUR LEGS! Thank you for putting this site up… your efforts will be blessed… your touching people one life at a time!
To Whom it May Concern,
While I wholeheartedly agree that education and knowledge is key to preventing abortions (and in this case, yes, the truth hurts)…and sometimes shocking people into the reality of what is truly going on, when they may not know or may not WANT to know, is an effective way to get your point across.
However.
The “Truth Truck” allows us as caring, loving and educated parents to have absolutely no control as to how to handle a situation where we may pull up next to the horrific photos. As a parent, I want control not only what my children are exposed to, but more importantly HOW and in what manner. That is MY RIGHT as a parent.
Frankly, to blatantly force such graphic pictures for my children to see infuriates me to no end. For what it’s worth, I think it is totally appropriate to educate the masses and the “in your face” tactic again, can be greatly effective.
However, when it’s “in my toddler’s or 5 year old’s face”, allow me to express to you that I am most disturbed and highly disgusted by your lack of empathy for my children and for me as a loving, Christian parent.
What about serial killers? Would I want the results of their evil doings to be blatantly and forcefully shown on the side of a huge truck as I pull up next to it? As an adult, I could decipher the horror and know that there are some very sick-minded individuals in this world who will have to meet their maker like the rest of us.
However, would I want my children to see these same photos? NO. They are too young, and too innocent to be exposed to such graphic content. It is most inappropriate to do so with the “Truth Truck”, and I believe your tactic to be highly insensitive to our children who ARE alive and ARE here on this earth.
As a parent, I have the right to decide between a G rated or PG rated film for my children. I have absolutely no choice while in our automobile, if the Truth Truck pulls up next to us. My daughter was terrified and had nightmares for weeks over the photos she saw in Denver. I was furious about the fact that I had no control over what my very young children were exposed to.
Yes, the photos are horrific. Yes, it gets a point across. Yes, that point is certainly important. However, just as I wouldn’t want my children to view a murder scene, I surely do not want them viewing the “Truth Truck” without my permission and without my consent. That takes my right away as a parent and to subject a younger, innocent audience to the horrific sights plastered on the side of your trucks is inexcusable.
You want to protect the innocent? Be smart about it. Target your audience, at a rally, or somewhere where parents can make the decision as to what to expose their children to. It is my job as a parent to sensor the content of what they see, view, and experience in this world and if I think my toddler or 5 year old is too young to view the “Truth Truck”, then I should have that right. I don’t want to be forced to comfort her in the night for two weeks because she had nightmares over babies with no heads. Just as I wouldn’t want her to have nightmares over any other graphic content for which she is too young to be exposed to.
Be sensible. Get your point across, but please…please please please target your audience. Keep in mind that the innocent babies you are trying to save, are some of the ones who are viewing these images before they are ready. Leave it to the parent to decide when, where and how to approach the subject….
…not while they are strapped in their car seats in the back of a minivan as the “Truth Truck” pulls up aside of them.
Regards,
Sea
Would Jesus pass judgement? No, I don’t think so….Why don’t you stop judging others and focus on yourself. It’s a choice. Just like you choose to murder animals everyday as you sit down to dinner with your children. A soul is a soul.
I cannot believe those of you out there saying ‘you will go to hell’ and ‘you are a murderer’ think that that is acceptable. I also think that NO-ONE has the right to think that of anyone until they have been through it themselves.
I think that you all need to wake up to the real world. If you honestly think that a young girl that has been raped should go through 9 months of carrying a rapist’s baby and then having to look at it every day knowing where its come from then i think you should be the ones going to hell and adoption is just cruel – that child will not have a real family and when they grow up and finally decide they want to know who their parents are what happens then? You ruin their life by telling them that their father was a rapist and that their mother gave them away? Then you wonder there are kids out there that turn out as murderers, drug addicts, rapists etc. – Its a vicious circle.
I think that NO-ONE has the right to call someone who goes through an abortion a ‘Murderer’ until they have been through it themselves. I think alot of you need to wake up to the real world. If a young girl gets raped and falls pregnant – how can anyone expect her to go through 9 months of carrying a disgusting rapist’s baby inside of her and then look at it everyday when it is born – why should that baby go through being unloved and hated and why should that young girl go through that either? The baby being put up for adoption is just as cruel, not knowing its real family and finally growing up and finding out that their dad was a rapist and their mum gave them away? That would ruin that child’s life anyway. I think you would all feel very differently if it happened to any of you. Oh and if god is such a good ‘creator’ why is it that priests go around touching up little children and letting people like you go around telling people that have abortions that they are murderers when they obviously dont realise the true definition of one. Its quite sad to see that so many people think that everything happens through ‘God’ but i suppose everyone’s beliefs are different.
I was a wanted baby – but I’ve still been absolutely hated and unloved by other people in this world. Life is hard and EVERYONE suffers – no matter what their parentage is – or how they were conceived. God has plans for every unborn child. It is not up to us to stop His plan.
i’m a mother of two children. both unplanned pregnancies. everyday that i see my children is a gift from God. if you don’t want your baby, talk to somebody about other options. there are a lot of people who would adopt your baby even if he/she is of a different race or not perfectly healthy. please, think twice before making a decision. make one that you can live with for the rest of your life.
I want to know how many of you “pro-life” advocates are willing to adopt children? How many of you have experienced pregnancy after rape? with the exception of perhaps a handful of you, I can assume you aren’t familiar with rape or adoption. If you argue that there are women who aren’t able to have children who would gladly adopt, where are you getting your information? There are too many children in this world who have to face the horrors of the foster care systems. Why put a child through that? If you are unwilling to take these parentless children into your homes, you are in no place to say they would be loved. Many of you also say that if a woman is unwilling to get pregnant, don’t have sex. I agree. But there are sadly many cases of pregnancy due to rape and insest. What are these women to do? They didn’t willingly have sex, they didn’t ask to be violated. Should they have to face the consequences of their rape when they had no say in the matter?
I agree that late term abortions are wrong, but that is in fact illegal. Until a child is able to live outside of the mother’s body, it is not a separate entity. It is a part of the mother’s body. Abortion is a difficult decision that women have to sometimes face. It’s difficult enough without them having someone screaming at them as they enter a medical facility. This website is censored, so I assume this comment will never be posted. But I think it’s a shame if you are unwilling to look at another perspective. I am on this sight to educate myself, I could only hope that you are all here for the same reason.
Praise the lord, i have excersized my demons and no longer agree to abortions!
I used to be an alcoholic and had a total of 3 abortions, my life was a mess and now ive found the lord my sins are clear!
abortion is an evil wrong that god will punish you for!
Abortion is murder…i dont care what anyone says. Do you not see a head, legs, arms, stomach, and facial features on these children that have been murdered. They are human beings. From the moment that an egg and a sperm meet, is it life; life that god planned and obviously wanted to happen. It might be your body but that living being inside you has a right too and it feels the pain whether it can speak up or not, you better believe it. If you didnt want children, you should have taken some responsibility and used some protection or dont have sex at all. As for the comment about saving a child from a parent who might do harm to them after they are born, thats ridiculous. There was a study done that said 98% of women who have had abortion deeply regret it with a 2% said they dont. Saying that not killing the child in the womb is setting them up for a bigger disappointment is horrible. This is not our call. Its Gods people! Who are we to say that the child would be better off. I too have two unplanned children and I couldnt imagine my life without them. I had people offer advice to me about abortion because I was a senior in highschool when I became pregnant with my first child, but I couldnt even think of abortion. My aunt had an abortion 18 years ago and when she heard I was pregnant ,she shared her story with me and said that if she had it to do all over , she would have kept the child and she regrets it everyday. She also told me to do everything in my power to keep this child and care for it and love it. Before she had gotten her abortion, family offered to help her with the child but she didnt listen. She now wishes she would have. My family has been there for me and my husband and it is has been hard, especially financially, but my children to me are worth the struggle. They are my LIFE.
“O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. HAPPY SHALL HE BE, THAT TAKETH AND DASHETH THY LITTLE ONES AGAINST THE STONES.” (Psalm 137:8-9)
Happy. — Is this “pro-life”? This is one of numerous examples of god-ordained genocide. Even if you coldly feel there is justice in killing the innocent infants of people deemed “evil” by your religion, would you be happy to do it, as the bible declares? If this is not evil, then what is?
I really love the fact that someone near the top said ‘who are we, mere mortals, to decide who is worthy of life’. Who are you all to tell me I can’t get an abortion? I love the hypocricy of it, I really do.
Not to mention most of these arguments are based on ‘God’. As a pro-choice and atheist man I can honestly say, after seeing these pictures, it’s still your choice. Again, who are you people to tell someone they can’t abort, when this child could destroy their plans for the future? Do we not have a right to choice any more?
Wow, how do I follow the comments, of the genius right before me? Yes, we can’t possibly destroy your plans of going off in the future and being a selfish person, since you are obviously above and beyond everybody else. You know, as an atheist, you weren’t created by “God”, since apparently you don’t think he exists and you are of a higher and more meaningful power, that none of us know anything about. So, where’d you evolve from? I’d like your theory on that. On second thought, I’ll pass on hearing about your alien ancestors.
Anyway, I always found the argument of woman’s body, so funny because if it’s the woman’s body and her “choice” to do with it what she pleases and abortion is murder and she chooses abortion, then why don’t they just do it the right way, by say, letting her have the baby and then knocking her off instead. I mean, that truly is her body that she’s dealing with then.
No, I’m not pro-suicide, to those people that fail to see the point of being pro-life. My point is that pro-choicers say that the woman has a right to make choices about her own body, but her and the baby aren’t the same person and that baby is not “her body”. A woman’s body is merely a shell- very important, but still two separate entities all together. Therefore, that pretty much kills the whole argument of doing what she wants with “her own body”. If that were truly a valid defense, abortion would consist of just killing the mother instead.
Ok, pro-choicers who think it’s all still fine and good, I didn’t mention God in my argument, about why it’s murder, so what are you going to argue against me with? In what way, are you still going to validate this heinous crime?
To those who are pro-life and truly understand the value of life, wish me luck, for I am about to be a mommy again on Friday! Tina :)
Let me start by saying in my person life abption is wrong. I would not be able to knowingly end a pregancy. But I just wanted to add that I believe not every abortion is a terrible thing. I know someone(and this is not a friend of a friend, I know this woman) who was raped at the age of 16 and was forced to have the child who was severely brain damaged. James was in constant pain and my friend had to watch him suffer for 3 years until he died. 16, my friend was. Did God want her to be raped? I cannot believe that. I believe He worked that man’s sin into his perfect plan but I do not believe that He smiled down on that conception. And this was before Roe v. Wade. My friend was a virgin before this and was planning on saving herself. She should have had a choice. I am pro choice not because I am pro killing babies, I am simply anti coat hangers. To tell the truth we cannot force morality onto society, believe you me I wish society was perfect and beautiful but really we cannot say “This is wrong.” There are exceptions, individual descisions, and this is indeed a moral issue between each indivual and God. Please keep the government away from my uterus. This is a desicion between God and myself… not for anyone to condemn.
I had the urge to research abortion tonight after hearing a heated discussion earlier today.
After finding this site, I must admit I am sick to my stomach with the gruesome reality that is abortion.
I will not castigate those women who decide to have them, but I will shake my head in sorrow for them.
to me abortion is something i understand fully.ppl get pregnant and everything goes wrong sometimes aportion is better for the baby because honestly when ppl have babies they dont want there is usually abuse and neglect and sometime people end up murdering their own child or there put in foster homes and adoption centers and their emotional well being is horrible and again abuse happens so in a lot of was aportion is aa way better option ecpecialy considering that scientists have proven that the baby feels no pain during the time and the age when they are aborted
i was readying mis’s comment and i was disguisted if you believe in god and read and believe whats in the bible that fantastic and your desition but you cannot basee your whole life uppon the bible or someones life it is selfish to a surten point to get an abortion but it all depends on the situation an insest baby should be aborted because it will be born sick and mentally ill and will stay that way for the rest of its life..and honestly ive heard people say that its horrible no matter what the situation but think of it in the perspected of a rape victum.could you honestly look your child in the eyes everyday know that thoughs are the eyes of he child of someone who hurt you soo tarribley i know i couldnt do that and see the persons face over and over again every day by doing that your trapping yourself in your own mind and when the child get older and askes who its father is what do you say “honey your father is someone who brudilly raped me years ago and got me pregnant and i havent seen him sence”. aportion just makes sence in a lot of ways it is a better option in a lot of situations.
I think that all the pictuers are by the government testing drugs on unborn childern so fight aginst government testing and stand up for whats right so say some thing to your government.P.S. I would stand up. would you?
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Someone asked for a bible verse, this one says it best. Which of you is God? Who decides who lives and dies? If you make yourself the arbitor of life, you have grave consequences to face on judgement day.
I strongly agree with a lot of you. However there are people out there that just didn’t understand, or should i say didn’t have the knowledge of what having an abortion really meant. I know that it’s not a good reason to aborde an unborn child, but mistakes does happen. Not trying to say that it is ok to go out and have abortions after abortions. Take time to get the information that you are looking for before you go through with the procedures. Because what ever choice you decide, you well have to live with it for the rest of your life. Be Safe… Be Wise… Be You..
the bible was written thousands of years ago by MEN and it reflected the best thinking of the time. Whilst I respect your right to be pro-life and to feel the way you do but you have no right to condemn people who chose to have an abortion. I wouldn’t have one because I really want a child but if my life was in danger or the foetus would have no quality of life then yes I would have one.
The god I believe in is forgiving and generous and thoughtful and would not condemn people for making what is a hard choice.
Do you know what its like to be an unwanted child? I do because I was one so I know for a fact abortion sometimes is the only reasonable choice.
I know the American Constitution protects the right to free speech but honestly there is a very fine line between free speech and hate speech and saying that if you have an abortion you will go to hell is crossing that line. You will never agree with me and I will never agree with you and thats fine but considering that America was founded on the principles of freedom and to stop religious beliefs from being oppressed, so I respect your right to hold you beliefs but there is not one person here who has the right to oppress women and the choices they make.
im an 18 year old girl and im about 3 months pregnant an not exactly sure who the father of my unborn child is but it has never even crossed my mind to have an abortion! i cant understand how someone could take life away an not think twice about it! i mean of course i was scared at first an didnt exactly know what to do…but i could never kill a part of me. i already have so much love for my baby and i cant wait till the day i get to hold him in my arms an just know that hes mine!! i think the least a person could do is give a child a chance at life an give it up for addoption!!
i am a 17 year old girl with a 4 month old baby boy and anther baby on the way i am a senior in high school and unmarried. the father of my children is 4 hours away at college and is home only once a month if that and i would never go through with an abortion i couldnt hurt such a beautiful gift. if god didnt want you to have a child than you wouldnt have gotten pregant. how could anybody do such a thing to such a beautiful gift
This is to ‘Just_me’, i’m 17 years old and have made the dicision to remain pure until i’m married.But let’s just say i got pregnant and the doctor told me that my life was at risk.Would it be right for me to say, ‘alright, give me an abortion!… anything to save MY life!!!’ I hope that I would have the God-given grace and courage to risk my own life to bring that precious baby into the world…. And another thing…yes, God is forgiving and generous, but He’s also just…He hates sin (that’s why Jesus had to die!).You can’t use His love as an excuse to sin.
look i am very young im 15 and i think it is wrong to do babies this way its not their fault!! i love kids i have some that i really care and love!
THIS IS WRONG!!! I LOVE KIDS AND I HATE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS TO KIDS!!
I’m 19 in 12 days and my daughter is 7 months old and my partner and i have only been together for 2 years. My partner was dead set on getting me an abortion and i was the opposite i wanted to keep the baby, he booked me in for an abortion 3 times and i kept cancelling it. He reluctantly gave up and we went to get an ultrasound. 7 weeks old and i already loved her. The pregnancy was really hard for me as i was losing my figure, i wasn’t ready to be “fat”.
I kept on struggling through my entire pregnancy and when her day fianally came (my partner was devastated) as it was on the 7th of Oct which was Bathurst Sunday, i was so scared but when they placed her in my arms i was…. words can’t describe how i really felt. I was excited, anxious, nervous and they’re only the tip of the iceberg. But i knew from that moment on i was never going to let her go, i do not encourage unsafe sex or young pregnancies 15yo and under but i suggest you really consider whether you can look after the baby and if not if you can give your baby up.
Since year now, I have been Pro-Life becuase I know Abortion is so wrong and it doesn’t solve any problems. I developed my own abortion site where all information that many women don’t know so the secrets about abortion is now out. I want every women to think twice and make a right choice for the baby becuase they are so innocent. I support this site becuase it had done so much for the community, keep the good work!
i think that who ever would even think about doing this to a baby is so damn stupid. and yes you are going to hell if you abourt because its MURDER!
Look at these poor innocent children. So many of them were developed enough to have lived. All deserved to have a life. Yet they were destroyed by murderers. Abortion is wrong. It is sick and terrible. I believe it should be abolished. Let’s pray that someday soon people will come to their senses and rid the world of this horrible act.
All i have to say is that abortion doesn’t make you not a parent all it does is make you a parent of a dead child just like someone who’s child gets kidnapped and murdered… Either way there was still a heartbeat and that heartbeat got stopped by someone so it is virtually the same thing… so if you are looking for an anti-abortion argument without using God its still murder because there is a heartbeat and that heartbeat is stopped intintionally…Murder is a fellony and abortion should be as well!
I think abortion is bad over all. I’m only 14 and I might not know what I’m saying, but I can get an understanding.
Rachel said that unprotected sex will most likely lead to a child. and that’s why I think abortion is bad, because “it only takes once, and it takes two [people]“- My mother.
I know it’s not always meant like with rapes and suff, which I can understand an abortion for, but there are also cases were it is desguistful, and something I would call out of the question. I think abortion is a sinful thing and should never be forgivable. Abortion is murder, weather they can’t speak, or move, or anything else yet. They are alive from the first stage of development and on… and abortion takes away their life, and their agency. ROO says they have a heartbeat, and they do. stopping anyone else’s heart would be murder… why does something that can’t stand up for itself not get that kind of chance?
The least you can do if you are thinking about abortion is adoption because at least then you’re giving a child a chance to live, and who knows! a set of parents who aren’t even lucky enough to have children would be overjoyed.
Too often do we argue over semantics…those that are “pro-choice” object to be called “pro-abortion.” But by doing so they taint the word choice. I’m all for choice, in all areas of life. However, the intentional taking of a life isn’t a choice. Is it murder? And if so, why do we use the word “abortion”? We use it because it’s more pleasant, because it offends a smaller number of people. But we should try to see past the words and see the issues as they are.
There are several sites that describe the act of partial birth abortion. Wikipedia (a once unreliable but now improved source) describes intact dilation and extraction (a fancy term for partial-birth abortion) as “Under the Intact D&X method, the largest part of the fetus (the head) is reduced in diameter to allow vaginal passage. According to the American Medical Association, this procedure has four main elements.[8] First, the cervix is dilated. Second, the fetus is positioned for a footling breech. Third, the fetus is partially pulled out, starting with the feet, as far as the neck. Fourth, the brain and material inside the skull is evacuated, so that a dead but otherwise intact fetus can be delivered via the vagina.”
It’s enough to make anyone sick, isn’t it?
And it isn’t as rare as we’ve been led to believe (http://www.abortionfacts.com/literature/literature_9313pb.asp).
I have been sad over this fact, but now I am angry…angry that future civilizations will look back at ours and think how horrible it was that such a practice was allowed.
Sometimes it seems that those who are pro-choice scoff at pro-lifers because they see them as religious fanatic and ignorant in general. This too is false (http://www.godandscience.org/abortion/sld002.html). There are both sacred and seculiar arguments regarding abortion, many of them highly scientific.
There should be a home beside each clinic, a safe place for unwed or abused mothers, or those seeking an adoption agency. We shouldn’t just succeed inmaking abortion illegal, but making it utterly unnecessary. We will achieve this through love and support, not by harsh words and condemnation.
when a woman is pregnant,all that will develope is a baby,not a train,parrot,dog,or anything else.God is the giver of life,so he created us to give life.he said,be fruitfull,go multiply so that my glory can fill the earth.so,abortion is to kill what God has created.it is murder,and nothing else.
think about it.no scientist can produce , make , a baby.they can clone it,but then it is a identical twin.do not try to argue this away.satan is the destroyer of Godgiven life.Everything created in Gods image and likeness needs to be destroyed.Satanists also sacrifice babies to satan himself.
I was born in 1964. Abortion was not yet legal. Yet they still occurred. I call my mother every year on my birthday and thank her for chosing to give birth to me. She did not have to. I was child #5…She had 6 kids and two miscarriages in 8 years. When I was 13, she told us that she was pregnant and that her doctor told her that “she would not survive another pregnancy”. What he probably meant was her marriage might not survive another pregnancy.That decision changed my opinion of my mother forever.Looking back..that event formed my views on abortion and whether it was okay or not. By her agreeing to allow her own child to be killed…she told us all that it was okay. My views have changed but not without a heartache and death of innocent children.
Please say the rosary.
First off, I’m not religious, but I can see the point that the religous people who have posted are trying to make.
Abortion is horrible.
A few years ago, my sister got pregnant. She was only 14, yet she still kept the baby. Now, I have a lovely nephew called Alex, and a sister who has just passed all of her GSCE’s with an A*-B grade standard. Having a child when you are young, doesn’t ruin your life. Not if you don’t let it.
As for women having an abortion for babies that have been concieved through rape/ sexual abuse, personally, I think that that is taking the cowards way out of it. The baby inside you didn’t ask to be concieved that way, and if you had met that man in any other circumstance, and fallen in love, you wouldn’t even think about aborting the baby!
If you had carried that child to full term, and given birth, then murdered it after one day of it being alive, you would be put in prison. Abortion is exactly the same thing, murder, but everyday, women get babies aborted, and then walk away and carry on their lives. I think that that is a major miscarriage of justice, on the baby’s behalf. A baby is still a baby, born or unborn.
I’m 14.
14 years of life, all because my mum was brave enough to give birth to me.
If you’ve ever aborted a baby, how old would it be now?
Would he/ she be sitting here next to you, or in the next room in a crib, or maybe in preschool? Secondary school? Uni?
Abortion is wrong, and thank god that there are people who are willing to speak out for those that can’t say it themselves.
Hello All ~ I have a story I’d like to share especially with those who might consider the abortion “choice”. As a young girl I went off in the wrong direction and became pregnant. The first time I became pregnant I was almost 16. I was a lonely little girl and I needed to be needed by someone and I needed to have someone to love. I kept that beautiful baby boy and today he is 40 years old…very smart and very productive. I love him so much. Then, at 17 years of age, I became pregnant again. I was then aware of the tremendous responsibility involved in caring for a child. Friends told me they would help me get an abortion. That was never an option for me. I distained the very idea. I got myself into trouble and I needed to face the consequences myself. I could not make the helpless baby growing inside me pay for my mistake. Two months after turning 18 years old, I gave birth to a beautiful baby girl. I knew I would do her no justice by keeping her myself. I already had one small child who had no father, I would not do that to a second child. I gave her up for adoption. My heart broke and it was by far the steepest mountain I ever had to climb but in my mind, there was no choice. A loving family adopted her. She just turned 39 last month and we write back and forth. She’s beautiful and has a wonderful husband and two beautiful children…a son and a daughter. Had I aborted this little girl, I would not only have murdered her, but the blood of those two children she now has, and any children/grandchildren that will be born to them would be on my hands as well. When someone aborts one child, down the line there’s an army of people that are also done away with. It wasn’t easy raising a baby at such a young age and it was even harder for me to give the other child up, but I’m so thankful today for the precious lives of both of them. Consider adoption as an alternative to abortion. That way, everyone has a chance to see what the future holds in store for them. Everyone wins!
Laurel
One additional observance I have made in regard to the abortion issue. Of course, there are a myriad of terrible and sinful lifestyles going on in our world today. But, these things are not going unnoticed by the One true and Living God. We are beginning to reap the judgement that we so desperately are deserving of. In regards to the abortion issue, you may have noticed that for every innocent life that has been taken by this method, there is now an illegal alien present in this land to take the innocent’s place. God have mercy!!!