[Operation Rescue has been ministering to Baby Rowan's mother, Angele, since the tragic death of that precious child at an Orlando abortion mill. Angele has undergone an deep and sincere change of heart about abortion since her child's death. She has given us permission to post the following message from her. -OR Staff]
Hello Mr. Newman,
Thank you very much for your kindness. It is amazing the out pour of kind words and support I am receiving after Rowan’s death.
I wish that I had such a network and support before, I would still be pregnant. It is my hope that many things will transpire as a result of coming forward with my experience.
I hope that women will see my humiliation and remorse and seek forgiveness if they are post abortive.
I want to do everything in my power to see that this does not happen to other babies or mothers.
I want women in crisis pregnancies to see that whether they are of 6 weeks or 28 weeks gestation, that abortion will haunt them for the rest of their lives. I would like for them to know that no matter how little you want the pregnancy itself, you will want, love and cherish your child. Those 9 months of crisis are the toughest. If you make it through that, the rewards come 1000 fold!
If they choose not to keep their child; that adoption is easier than abortion, although that is not what most post abortive women thought before they terminated.
Finally I hope that women who remain pro choice will fight for these clinics to be more strictly regulated. As feminists, they should demand and expect it!
I think that even women who are pro choice, would not want to come face to face with what I have been through on any level. I also think they would agree, that having an infant born alive and left to die or literally murdered in some cases, is legally and morally wrong.
It is very shameful to step forward and admit publicly that I have been so wrong as to “choose” to take the life of my child. On the other hand if it will accomplish any or all of the above, then it is my duty, isn’t it? That is so long as I protect the children I have here first and foremost. I know God wants me to put them first, just as I should have with Rowan.
“Publicly”? This woman has not gone public. She has not made her name known?
She uses terms like “pro-choice”. This term should not be in the lexicon of a person who has had a “true” conversion to the pro-life movement.
Regardless, I do enjoy your website. Keep up the wonderful work.
Hello Guy, I am Angele. No not yet, has this gone completely public. The time will come. I am waiting for cousel to determine the appropriate time. Just stating aloud what I have done at this time, to dozens of strangers, radio brodcasters, police, attorneys, and several journalists, has been rather difficult. Think for a moment of the worst thing you have EVER done. Chances are, it pales by comparison to my mistake.
Imagine that the time will come for you to tell it to your children, your church and all of the above. Then try to imagine telling it in a tv studio. This I have done. Would you consider that public enough a forum to announce such a shameful, humiliating and painful descision you might have made…while in the midst of grief? Maybe not. Maybe you are much stronger than me.
Also, I do not know what you mean by my choice of words. I am new to this, perhaps I should brush up on approriate / inappropriate lingo. Please tell me why it is wrong. They are the terms Ihave seen and heard in all f media formats for years. I did not know, nor mean it to be offensive.
Dear Angele,
I’m sorry for your pain. I know how hard it is as I have finally admitted to my husband a year ago about an abortion I had 15 years ago. At the time of my abortion, I was only 5 weeks along, and for many years I had some comfort in that. After becoming a mother, the reality of what I did sunk in and too late I realized there is no peace in aborting.
There are days I am still in shock about this sad reality in my life and I wish somehow I could wake from this bad dream. I’ve enjoyed sharing on this website my perspective at the time of the abortion and my perspective now in hopes that I too can help others make a better choice.
Thank you all for your kindness. i reall want to know why it is wrong to use that term. I do not want to accidentally offend.
Thanks again. Christ’s Peace to all. :) Angele
You said nothing wrong. Some people get technical with words. Yes there are pro life people and there are truly people who are pro choice. A pro choicer is someone who may not personally have an abortion but might not want to say someone else shouldn’t. And there are pro abortion people, people like Angele met at the clinic in Florida. People who work in abortion clinics are pro abortion, they seem to prefer it.
Don’t make a big deal over something so small, Angele has got to be going through a very, very hard time.
Again, I am so sorry for the saddness and betrayal that you experienced. God Bless.
Dear Susan,
Your kindness is most comforting. It is wonderful that there are women who share their pre and post abortive feelings. I hope and pray that enough women will listen in advance. I obviously did not.
It would feel so good to spare someone of the nearly incomprehensible pain, guilt and loss felt …after it is entirely too late.
You are brave to speak so candidly.
Thank you.
Angele, please don’t be hurt by the words of those who are the first to cast stones. Abortion is an obvious sin, so it comforts some people to lash out at those committing it. It’s easier than confronting their own hidden sins, known only to themselves and God.
Hugs and prayers. May God turn your pain into something beautiful for other mothers and children.
Angele, some folks in the prolife movement hold that there is no such thing as “pro-choice,” only “pro-abortion” or “pro-death.” They’re good at preaching to the choir but they suck at outreach. So just focus on doing what God’s calling you to do, which I suspect is going to be outreach to folks who self-identify as pro-choice, and who don’t realize what really happens. A lot of them think that abortion is illegal after 12 weeks, or that it’s only legal after 12 weeks for severe maternal health problems or handicapped fetuses. You can offer them a real awakening. Focus on how to reach the reluctant prochoice and the “mushy middle.” Don’t worry about alienating touchy prolifers.
Hi Angele,
You, your children, and Rowan are in my prayers. I am not trying to hurt you or offend you even more than you already are in this time of pain but I do have to ask you some questions because you are the only one who can answer them and help me understand your rationale or reasoning. Angele, why did you think it was okay to abort your 22 week old baby? I just am wondering did you not know how completely developed he was at this point? I remember being pregnant at 22 weeks and my son was moving constantly and my gut instinct was to want to protect him constantly. Again, I am not trying to make you feel anymore pain than you already do but I want to understand why & how you came to such a cruel decision so late in your pregnancy?
Also, I know it must be SO difficult for you but you HAVE to speak out about what these disgusting people did to you and Rowan. I hope God gives you the strength to speak out so far as to see your story on my hometown news channel. These people need to pay for not helping your baby. They completely violated the Born-Alive Protection Act. Stay strong!
Best Regards,
Vincenza.
Angele, Christina is right – many lifetime Christians cannot imagine why one would choose abortion. They can’t identify or understand because they’ve been fortunate to have not been in a serious crisis. Some have been in crisis and have a very strong support network to help guide them.
God uses everything in our lives for His own plan. That doesn’t always take the sting out of our wrongdoings but it’s good to put that energy to nobel use. I have the utmost respect for what you’re doing and I will pray for you.
I can tell the people who have experienced more of life by their ability to empathize with my pain. I can tell some speak on this site who have probably never had a child and act as if they can understand.
That’s the way God uses us, by giving us life experiences and it is very rare for someone to have the wisdom to counsel another without having lived a good amount of life themself.
Vincenza, I promise to answer questions, their will be many others asking the very same thing. As we speak, I am legally bound not to tell certain things about my past. This document I signed previously, presents a bit of a problem for my legal counsel. They are talented and they will find some way around it that should allow me to answer you, without getting into legal trouble regarding that agreement. Have you read World Magazine’s article titled Rowan’s Story? It gives you a bit of an explanation. I really wish I could be specific. I believe it would be better if people truly knew what I was up against. The reason I waited so long was quite frankly this…I wanted Rowan. I tried to find numerous ways to resolve the issues we were facing. I even strongly considered leaving the country. I was unable to do so because we needed a maternal fetal medicine specialist & first rate medical care as this was a high risk pregnancy. I tried and tried every solution you can throw at me, including adoption. Again for reasons I cannot divulge, that wouldn’t even go through. I after months of failing miserabley and running into brick walls thought this was all that was left. It sickened me to the core. Those were the darkest days of my life.
I may have already said more than I should. This is the best I can offer you for now.
Regarding going more public: It really hurts to tell it in front of others but it is what I have agreed to do. I have television appearances scheduled for May. I do not know air dates and can’t say more than my atty. would want. I will let you know ASAP, if you like. Maggie Gallagher a conservative journalist wrote a great article that came out today. Her column appears in 140 papers nationwide. http://www.uexpress.com. It is harsh but well written.
Susan, I have respect for you also. I hope that was understood in my previous post! If what you say changes one persons mind, you saved aa life. Not everyone can claim that. You should be proud for having good come from evil.
Thank you both for the prayers. My children really need prayers as I go forward. It will not be easy for them at school, with parents of peers, etc. we sincerely need as many prayers as we can get. They are a true blessing. Thank you.
Also, I feel really weird talking to you all. I mean, I like it on one hand and am totally scared on the other. I may read for a few days and not post much. Okay?
I’ll tell you this though, I am truly grateful that you have all been so kind. I really expected a whole lot worse. You have been understanding and merciful. It truly helps me feel less afraid. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Blessings
John 14:26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
It is weird to talk to complete strangers on the internet. I’ve taken time off from time to time and swear I will never leave another message, (especially when people talk directly to me) but I felt compelled to give you support.
Never mind the reason behind the abortion we’re discussing, many people don’t realize how vulnerable a pregnant woman can be. It is the most emotional time I’ve ever had and it is also a well known fact (you can read about it in any pregnancy book). Having no support can push a woman to choose to abort. There’s no question that because abortion is a legalized activity in our country, that a woman may feel it is her only choice.
Women who choose abortion are many times counselled by family, friends, and the father of the child. I would say it is rare for a woman to make the decision completely alone. I also personally think most of the time they feel they are sparing other significant people in their lives pain when they choose abortion.
By the time the abortion appointment is set, the mind goes into auto pilot. When you arrive at the clinic the marketing abilities of the clinic workers reconfirms the choice. The clinic workers will behave sympathetic, kind, caring and whatever else it takes to steer that woman (and remember her emotions are very easily swayed).
I believe that Angele’s mind was on auto pilot once she made her mind up that the abortion was for the best. She then entrusted herself to the staff of the abortion clinic. She believed they cared for her and that they would provide the best care for her.
When she came back the second day, the reality of what the abortion business is all about happened in a terrifying way. Imagine your baby being born in an abortion clinic and you realize he is alive. All of a sudden you realize what happened. Your brain goes off auto pilot and all you want to do is protect that perfect, beautiful child. Your instincts finally kick in.
Many women who have these later term abortions would never have to be a witness to this. The fewer memories the better you are able to put it out of your mind. It’s the abortion clinic workers who see the ugly side of abortion day in and day out.
Now, back to where I believe Angele was ….. She desperately wants to save her baby, and the only person who is there to help her won’t. No doctor around, dirty room, wet smelly blankets. Total betrayal. They cared for her the first day and the second day they treated her in the same cold calloused way that get’s them through work every day.
Please understand, having an abortion is not something that takes you out of a crisis, it puts you in a crisis. Women who have abortions can live in denial of the reality of their choice because they don’t have to see it. Angele was smacked in the face with reality.
I know I am forgiven but I take responsibility for what I did. There are a lot of Chrisitian’s who like the grace part of Christ’s message – it’s like their get out of jail free card. There are consequences for our actions and just because we’re forgiven doesn’t mean we will live without pain when we have made bad choices. Men can also live with this pain.
If I knew that this is what I would be feeling because of my bad choice, I would have never done it. The only thing those of us who survived our abortions can do is warn others who may be contemplating an abortion. Give us the opportunity to share our feelings and do not be overbearing to us. We are not exhibits on display, we are God’s children and we are works in progress.
Susan, I am literally sobbing as I respond you your post. I do not even know what I want to say. I wish I could hug you as hard as I am able at this very moment. It seems like you can see straight into the core of me…like someone…finally …understands how it gets to such an insane place that you don’t even remeber how it all happened to you; it doesn’t even seem like the every day, normal “you,” at some points along the way; does it?
I can’t write anymore just now…but …Thank you.
I wish I knew you. You speak so honestly.
Susan, One more thing. I don’t know how all this blog stuff works. So… I am asking first…do you mind if I copy your words and print them? I have a chuch counselor, head of pastoral care actually, that I would like to read them to, if you do not mind. I will NOT have your name on it or say where it was written.
It just says so much that I haven’t been able to express yet.
Let me know if would be okay. :)
Dear Angele,
I am so sorry for your loss.I myself had an abortion when I was 27 weeks pregnant and I can somewhat relate to your heartbreak.I am so sorry for everything you have had to go through, but please know that you are not alone.
Angele,
you have my permission to use my words and I’m so glad that I was able to help you express yourself. You’re not alone.
Susan
susan and angele
it’s heartwarming to see the two of you connect. it’s a blessing for all of us. praise God!
just in case there’s interest, the ORW forum has an option whereby two members can communicate privately, that is, if you two want to correspond further. i sense that it might be helpful for you to have that option.
I am very sorry for your loss, most of all I am sorry for Rowen, as I’m sure you are too.
NO matter how anyone may feel on a personal level about what happened, no one can judge you as you have repented.
That you have been forgiven is a testament to the un-failing love and mercy of our Savior. Just as it is to all of us. Not one person is without sin.
Others may think it’s just nit-picking when it was pointed out to you that the term “pro-choice” is not used.
There is a sound reason for this, I would suggest that you research as much as you can, the background of abortion rights. Perhaps starting with the writings of Dr. Bernard Nathansion, who was one of the originators of NARAL.
From the beginning abortion proponents knew this would be a WAR OF WORDS. And it is still that, a war of words.
Words are powerful, please don’t let anyone fool you.
As a Christian you are no doubt, familiar with the Word of God. The bible says THE POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH IS IN THE TONGUE.
God has given you a platform, I pray you will allow God to guide you thru the coming months and possibley years. Your “words” are all you have. I pray you will choose them wisely.
The phrase “pro-choice” sounds harmless on the surface. In fact it sounds fair and just.
How wrong that word picture paints.
As I’m sure you realize more than most.
Pro-abortion paints a more proper picture and leads the one listening to a clearer picture of what lays closer to the truth.
God bless your efforts in the future. I pray the Lord uses this situation to help conquer the evil of abortion.
angele,
thank you for being as honest and open as possible. i really can’t imagine what you are going through. i will have you in my prayers.
best regards,
vincenza
Angele, I am praying for you and your testimony. Believe God. The devil is a liar, the father of lies. Praise God for His power over sin and death, and His faithfulness. Above all, He wants your heart, and the hearts of all, to turn to Him, from darkness to light.
When you were dead in your transgressions, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us ALL our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us..and has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” Col 2:13,14
God is seeking our hearts in repentance toward Him. A broken and contrite heart He will not despise. Psalm 51:17
As for our accuser: Now the salvation, and power, and kingdom of our God and the authority of His Crhist have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony.” Rev. 12:10,11
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Sarah, I believe that it is nit picking over the term “pro choice”. I only say this out of love so please try to understand what I’m saying.
In the business world, one must honestly analyze their competitor’s ways of doing business. Pro choice truly defines a group of people. They are the people in the mushy middle. Most people live their lives at this point. The Pro-aborts (we know that’s what they really are) made an appeal to the mushy middle by giving them a nice sounding name which truly and accurately describes who they (the lukewarm people) are.
Most people would not advocate for abortion but they would advocate for choice. It sounds good. It works. And it truly describes a large group of people.
Chrisitian’s should not run from reality and truth, how can our side make tactical decisions without the truth on our side.
ORW is effective because they know who their target audience is. ORW’s use of the Truth Trucks is helping people see the reality of abortion. They are coming after the middle of the road “pro-choice” crowd. The trucks aren’t going to have much affect on a true “pro-abortion” believer.
Remember in business, always acknowledge when your competitor has done a good job at something so you can truly go after them and combat what they’re doing. Sitting around arguing about it and not acknowledging that there are truly pro choice people out there, isn’t getting much done.
Sarah,
I also think it’s good to insert pro abort instead of pro choice, but when someone else chooses to say pro choice, they may not understand what you’re doing – and that’s ok.
susan
i personally prefer “poor choice” since that puts the emphasis on what the “choice” is and what it does to women and children.
i can’t claim credit for coming up with that though – it was dr. david reardon who coined that phrase.
I enjoy reading Jill Stanek’s articles. I agree that if a person is truly a pro abort trying to hide behind pro choice that they should be exposed. Jill does a great job exposing these people and regularly calls those in positions of power (especially politicians) pro aborts – because that’s exactly what they are when they help write law that encourages abortion.
I like the “poor choice crowd” label too. It truly is a poor choice.
The truth trucks are awesome – people don’t realize how ugly abortion is. Whoever came up with that idea did a great job.
There are more great ways to expose the truth about abortion. Let’s keep coming up with them.
Hello Angele, I’ve been reading differnt versions of your tragic story about the death of your son, Rowan. (He is absolutely gorgeous and perfect) First of all i want to tell you that i admire your braverey. Simply admitting the truth is so exceedingly hard, many of the most powerful men in the world cannot, they bend to pressures. I know how hard it is to give yourself a scarlett letter, one that lies naked in to the judgemental eyes of others. I know you’ve heard it, “You didn’t say this right,” “You shouldn’t have said that, that way.” When in your truly remorseful heart, all you want and desire to do is expose the tragic, deceitful sin that is abortion. I know how you feel in some ways. When I was 17 I had an abortion at 9 weeks. I didn’t even tell the father and I was so “Pro-Choice” that i didn’t even think about “the baby” even when i glanced at the sonogram machine. It’s was awful, penetrating, degrading. In the end I was vommitting in one toilet with three other women who had just had abortions too. All of us fighting for a place to vomit. I lost my son Joshua or a daughter Grace. -Isaiah 49:15 is his scripture; I chose scripture for my baby too Angele. God’s grace is so incredible that we’re transformed now into weapons for His glory! We are no longer seen with those transgressions! You stay strong. Continue to expose the truth for the unborn and for their fearful, gullable mothers. You know good and well that not everyone will agree with you, with us. I’ve been screamed at, almost punched speaking for the unborn. I’ve been so afraid as I stood outside an abortion clinic here in Ciolorado, when I had entered one myself fifteen years before. I know how scared the women were, so I am extremely mild mannered and tell them i only want to help with information for free housing, medical care and food if they want to try to have their babay… AND yes,, even in, especially, “In your own town” will people disgrace your work. (Like on a pro-life wesite) Excuse me; but screw them! Go girl.
Also: At Priest for Life there are many testimonies from mothers, some who’ve suffered second trimester abortions, not realizing their action until it was too late. One comes to mind, a women who’s son was killed by saline and born in the bathroom, “dangled” You’ll see her. A friendship that may run quite deep could be formed?? Blessings, Heather
Now that we all had our Opra boo hoo moment, let us not forget that a child died here. Are we not , in a way, agreeing with the pro-aborts, and making a per-born child a second class citizen? Would we be giving the same “love and compassion” to someone who had their three year old killed?
I think sometimes we go too far to give a klenex to the killer mom of the preborn, and then paint the killer mom of the toddler a monster.
Aren’t the crimes the same? Aren’t pre-born children worth the same consideration as their born brothers and sisters?
and don’t post abortive women deserve a room next to Andrea Yates?
Am I wrong to think abortion is a crime? It is almost like post abortion is becomming some kind of badge of honor.
Isn’t it time that we put the focus back on the true victum here? Have we so soon forgotten the pictures?
Does not compassion become cruel, when it by passes such a horrible deed?
Does not guilt and grief give some honor to the child who died?
Shouldn’t we all feel bad about the killing of a child?
How is it an act of bravery to cock a doodal doo about destroying the gift of God?
Would someone please give me a klenex, A child has died, and I am very sad indeed.
Yeah, you have a point, but you fail to remember that abortion is legal in our country. It is extremely legal and very easy to come by. Legality can make something seem legitimate and it can draw a person in when they are in crisis. That is the difference.
Another point, we have a medical community that is becoming more and more pro abortion. Doctors are legitimizing the practice of abortion. People trust their doctors to make decisions for them that are in their best interest. I’ve read many, many stories of doctors steering a couple to abort at the very first sign of a problem with the baby. You don’t think that has a huge affect in making abortion seem like a legitimate choice?
Certain types of birth control cause abortions. They are extremely early abortions but they do not allow a forming baby to attach in the uterus (sometimes they attach in the fallopian tubes instead). Many Christian couples are using these forms of birth control (the IUD and the pill). Except in a Catholic Church, I have never heard any other pastor speak out against birth control.
Our desire to control our bodies and live our perfect controlled little lives, permeates our culture (which for most people include their two children preferably a boy first and a girl second). Until Christians live as Christians ought to, abortion won’t go away. I was reading statistics, and most abortions are performed on women with some church affiliation.
rick and susan
excellent points from both of you.
i would add that the problem is compounded or exacerbated by the apathy of church leaders, who refuse to speak out on the issue, and parishioners who, in turn, are woefully uninformed about the matter from a Biblical perspective.
as father frank pavone has pointed out, when pastors refuse to speak about abortion, all they are doing is ensuring more of the same.
or as God’s word puts it “for lack of knowledge My people perish”.
I just returned from San Fransisco, where we tried to show the “drs.” that their “union” is wrong for supporting abortion. When I got home it was all over the news shows,about a miracle baby being born and surviving at 11 weeks. Where was their equal outrage that another baby was born early and survived for a few hours, after an abortion? God Help our country. Please Angele, tell your baby’s story wherever you can. Don’t stop until they listen, and care. God bless you and Rowan.
Correction: teh baby weighed 11 ounces, not born at 11 weeks!
Hey, it’s Angele. I have been trying to get back to work and go to church. It was hard to walk through those doors! Just more people to face who knew I was pregnant. I become more and more determined and less fearful every day, now. I have some good news to share. My attorney, has sent Rowan’s autopsy report off for review, to a very well known forensic pathologist. We should know something, say a prayer, this week.
Also, next week I am going to Denton, TX. to meet with Mark Crutcher of Life Dynamics. He has invited me to be on his television show. I don’t know the air date yet.
Also, sometime soon there will be a national press release issued. I hope that everyone who reads this will pray that Rowan’s story gets lots and lots of coverage, even if they anihilate me…it is the only way things will begin to happen and that’s why we are all here talking to begin with correct?
You know what I like? I truly enjoy the fact that all of us share sometimes drastically different opinions but everyone wants to see the same change. I have never had such a first hand experience in any other aspect or of my life. It is fascinating, challenging, rewarding and a definite tool for positive growth.
I am very glad to have the opportunity to learn from and share with everyone who posts here.
Christ’s Peace
Angele,
Godspeed to you in your quest for justice for Rowan, and illuminating women everywhere as to the true nature of abortion.
I don’t think that it is appropriate to pass off as “nit-picky” those who object to the expression, “pro-choice”.
Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who very calculatingly coined that phrase in order to make the wholescale slaughter of innocent children palatable/attractive to Americans, has stated that he knew at the time he and Larry Lader (co-founders of NARAL) coined it just how cynical an expression it was in reference to induced abortion.
Though Nathanson has long since radically altered his views on abortion and become a strong pro-life advocate (Lader, as far as we know, has not), the intervening years since Roe v. Wade have borne him out on the falseness and hypocrisy of this cant:
Further evidence:
a) Women don’t want abortions like they want ice cream cones or Porsches, but like entrapped animals “want” to chew off their limbs. A shortsighted, self-destructive act of desperation is a forced “choice,” not a free choice.
b.) The fact that women so very rarely get pregnant on purpose so that they can get abortions, should be the first clue here. . .Instead, abortion is the lynch pin on which they fall back when betrayed by the false sense of immunity, (though pregnancy is not a disease, as some misanthropes like to claim), they get from using artificial birth control. ) This observation, originally made by prolife feminist Frederica Matthewes-Green is so basic that even Planned Parenthood could not gainsay it, and conceded it to her.
c) The babies get no choice. We’re told that one death camp has a sign up forbidding anti-abortion protesters from coming within about 20 feet of the property; yet, hypocritically, they allow unborn babies in the place all the time! Unborn babies are probably the most intense of anti-abortion protesters. (The film, “The Silent Scream” contains all the proof any thinking person of conscience needs of this, and it can be viewed online)
d) The more live people there are to exercise their volition (in ways other than murdering and maiming their fellow human beings), the more choices will be made! Living people are so much more actively volitional than dead ones…or hadn’t you noticed that?!…or do you care about REAL freedom of choice? Abortion is murder, and murder is the ultimate negation of choice for its victim(s).
e) Tiller, Planned Parenthood & allies have fought, tooth and nail, against informed consent laws in every state where such legislation has been sponsored, introduced, and debated. Why, unless it is to prevent women from making an informed (gasp!) choice?
f) The man (!) most responsible for coining the proabort slogans, “pro-choice, freedom of choice, right to choose, reproductive freedom” (what a hoax, considering the vast numbers of women who cannot have children when they would choose to, due to abortion damages), etc., has long since admitted how cynical and false HE KNEW those slogans to be WHEN HE MADE THEM UP. The past 32 years of watching them destroy well over 50 millions lives (pre- and post-natal)have confirmed, not contradicted, his confession. It was never about a woman’s “right to choose,” but about granting legal sanction to a DOCTOR’S RIGHT TO KILL. ( “doctors” like Mengele, Tiller, & cohorts.)
g) The abortion industry’s deathscorts, barbed wire, bubble zones, refusal to allow young mothers to see their babies (or lack thereof) on ultrasound, suppression of vital information on abortion risks, consent/liability release forms, etc., ad nauseam, are all tactics to intimidate their quarry, “clients,” into the choice that best serves their bank account and social agenda, rather than the best interests of the mother and child whose lives are at stake. They are all used to paint the facade and buttress the LIE that they are the “safety zone,” and prolifers are the “threat to women.” This despite the fact that thousands of pregnant women have been injured, maimed, incapacitated, and killed INSIDE of LEGAL abortion chambers, while fewer than 10 have been injured/harmed OUTSIDE of them over the past 32 years. Further information documenting and promoting a more balanced perspective on these matters is available at abortionviolence.com and lifedynamics.com, the Blackmun Wall. Interested parties who have not already done so may also order and read the book LIME 5.
h.) The phrase, “a woman’s choice” loses even more credibility when you consider that of the millions of registered voters in the U.S. in 1973, exactly nine of them were permitted to vote on Roe v. Wade and it’s companion decision, Doe v. Bolton — and ALL of them were MEN!!!
Any initiative to put the matter before the voting public would be fought tooth and nail by these so-called “champions of choice”.
11.) Women who are not coerced into abortions by disappointed parents, irresponsible partners, etc., are often coerced/manipulated into them, physically and psychologically, by abortion profiteers. I have witnessed several women walking out of abortion chambers chased, intimidated, even physically manhandled and practially dragged back into the hellholes by “pro-choice” deathscorts, lest they make a (horrors!) CHOICE at variance with the abortionists’ financial interests and/or social-political agenda.
12.) One of the cruelest deceptions of the term “pro-choice” is in it’s implication that women who may not legally murder their babies are somehow “deprived” of something fundamentally necessary and humane, whereas the exact reverse it actually the case; induced abortion robs, deprives so many women of the love of their children, their health and well-being physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. It usually destroys the relationship between the parents of the aborted child, (many women are coerced by “boyfriends” who threaten to leave them if they don’t “take care of the problem”; but those “boyfriends” usually don’t stick around long after that…)
I could go on further on this, but I think you get the idea. Words matter. Ideas have consequences. Euphemizing child-murder as “choice” paints a very unrealistic picture of induced abortion, making it sound fair, right, morally neutral, safe…when in fact, it is none of those things.
Chinese women could offer further elucidation about the “right to ‘reproductive choice.’”? They would, if asked, give you a perspective on that matter with which many people are either unfamiliar, or callously indifferent towards, or both. No doubt it is an unpalatable and politically incorrect one, but a much more honest one than the one conveyed by prodeath propaganda. And don’t let the attitude, “Oh, well, that’s just China” – a horrifically racially genocidal view in itself- belittle the matter by distance. Ted Turner advocates a two-child-per- couple limit imposed here, and elsewhere. It’s just as draconian here as there, and/or vice versa.
Most of this is just re-posted from previous posts available on archived threads on this site; but I have belabored it because it is a serious, important question.
There is a song that touches on this metaphorically:
The Trout
A streamlet clear and sunny with ripples all about,
was once the bath for pretty and gentle little trout.
On shore I stood observing with exquisite delight,
the happy little creature — it was a lovely sight.
A fisher with his angle stood on yonder shore,
trying to entangle the fish from the water’s floor.
I thought if clear the water still races all about,
he’d never, never capture my lovely, little trout.
Yet the robber had no patience to while away the time,
he made the brook all muddy, ere I sensed the crime.
His line went inward reeling my merry fish so sweet,
then saw I with raging feeling the cheated and the cheat.
—Franz Schubert
The language of “choice”, more than any other, has “muddied the waters” of clear moral judgment on the matter of abortion, to the destruction of countless mothers and their children, as well as fathers, grandparents…the loss is incalculable.
Again, all the best in your journey. You can’t go right doing what is wrong…and you can’t go wrong doing what is right.
Be encouraged,
For Angele, Susan and/or Heather,
Just a note to tell each and all of you thanks for sharing your experiences so forthrightly; it can’t be easy to relive these events, so I wish you all the best in your individual healing journeys, and I hope that at least one abortion-minded mom will listen to you and choose life.
I do have one question that I like to ask anyone who has been involved in induced abortion whether as intimately as you or has “worked” in the industry, and that is this: Susan, you mentioned the mind going pretty much on “autopilot” once the decision to abort is made: Is there any one thing that any of you can think of that could have caused you to reconsider or reverse that decision even after you made it, had someone been there to say it, show it, or offer it to you?
While the prolife movement is, understandably, full of post-abortive mothers, there are many of us who have never been an immediate party to an unwanted pregnancy, and therefore have never considered abortion, either for ourselves or our loved ones, so we could use all the help we can get in more effectively reaching the abortion-minded parents, especially, that we seek to serve and save.
Since I’m probably not the only one in this position, the best thing is probably to post any answers to that here if you’re comfortable with that; if you care to answer but don’t think this is the venue for it, perhaps you could e-mail it to ORW, and they can forward it to me…I’m not sure that the forum would be much different than here.
Thanking you profusely in advance for any counsel you can give us, and wishing you all, again, all the best in your endeavors.
Hi Pat,
First of all, I believe if my boyfriend at the time wouldn’t have wanted it I wouldn’t have wanted it. I’ve seen billboards that show a mother touching the hand of a baby and the slogan says, “think hard before you let go”. I think that would have spoken to me. A billboard ministry might be extremely effective to get the message out before the appointment.
I kept it a secret from my family and had I confided in at least someone in my family, it may have made a difference. Encouraging communication is important.
Laws encouraging ultrasounds for women considering abortion. My 10 week ultrasound with my fourth child was the most miraculous and awesome moment I’ve ever had in my entire life – ever.
Women who are getting an abortion are usually trying to get out of a desperate situation. Appealing to them on a personal level about how they will feel down the road about what they are choosing is probably a better strategy than appealing to them about the baby today. I say that because I think they are putting the baby out of their mind. They are thinking about themself so you have to appeal to that selfishness.
Did you ever see the movie “Crazy People”? Dudley Moore was in it. He was a struggling ad exec who ended up in a mental institution due to stress. The people he met there helped him come up with these brutally honest ad campaigns. One of them was for a scary movie and the caption was “It will mess you up for life.” I think that is a very fitting statement about abortion and the effect it has on women and appeals to what it will do to the woman.
Helping a woman realize the baby they are carrying is a unique individual and cannot be replaced is another point that needs to be made. When I look back I got an abortion to end a crisis at the time (an act of selfishness) and now realize that that was a little person unlike any other. It makes me sad because I have these four beautiful little people in my life and it reminds me of the uniqueness of each person – of that little person.
Point out that they will never forget the date of the abortion. Life and death memories are forever etched in our hearts. They are choosing that perfect little individual’s day of death. Do they want the responsiblity that comes with that. You cannot escape the guilt.
I believe to be effective you have to appeal to the woman and help her see down the road and how this moment will change history. It’s like the movie “It’s a Wonderful Life” except instead of you asking to see what the world will be like without you, you’re literally making that experience happen to your child. The world will never know that person and the world will be a different place because of it. You will be a different person because of abortion. You walk in who you are today and walk out never to be the same.
Abortion may be a quick fix to a problem, but it is so sad to live with the memories.
Lastly, encourage Protestant Churches to embrace the Catholic teaching about birth control. I believe our society is at this place because we do not accept the gift of life that God has entrusted to us. Respect life, respect our sexuality – lose the worldliness that sucks us into that place of fear that causes us to reject the wonderful gift of children.
Put an emphasis on the blessings big families offer, there is so much negativity when a mother of even four ventures out with her family. Time and time again I hear the exasperated comments about how “you sure have your hands full” or “I’m glad it’s you and not me”. That is a true testament to what is in the heart of many people – children are seen as a burden.
God has touched my heart with my children. He has softened me, and shown me the important things in life through my children.
I want to help so please if you have any questions fire away. If I can help one person choose life for their child, even if they can’t raise the child. I know now that I would have had the strength to give my child to a family and I could definately live with that choice. Much better than realizing the world will never know my child. Very sad.
another point to make – even though there are those who would counsel a woman to have an abortion – they aren’t the ones who have to experience the abortion being done on their body. it’s easy to push someone in that direction when it won’t affect them. remind a woman, especially if her borfriend is the driving force behind the abortion, he won’t have to have it physically performed on him – you’ll be the one who has to live with the memories.
The forum allows you to send private messages to each other, as well as providing you the ability to go as off topic as you like, by creating your own topic. You also can “watch” a topic so that you you receive an email when someone posts to the topic of consern to you. It’s a much better venue than the comment system.
Guy,
I think you should consider publicly apologizing on this forum. That kind of insensitivity is the absolute opposite of what love and grace she should have recieved.
Angele,
May the Lord bless you and cause His face to shine on you and deepen and further the healing in your soul.
mark jr.
Rowan’s Mom,
Sometimes it is hard to walk in other people’s shoes and to understand why they do what they do. God does know and that is why you should only worry about what He says. God cannot bless someone in sin. Sin has a sting so that we learn NOT to make that choice again. If it did not hurt or leave an impression we would not have the need to turn to Him. We would go our jolly way and continue to keep on sinning. What you did was sin. Once you gave your heart to Him and asked for his forgivness you need to be on the road to healing yourself through Him. Not beating yourself up because someone does not understand why you aborted your baby. God does not keep throwing it in our face. He Forgives, not torments. If God had not shown you the face of your child that day would you have given your heart to HIm? He knows exactly what we need to find ourselves down on our knees asking for His forgiveness. Even though this was a horrible tragedy it also has an overtone of God’s mercy. Jesus was crucified and His mother seen Him also die but through His death He gave us eternal life. Rowan’s life had a purpose and that was for you to see you needed God. All sin has consequences and unfortunately yours is remembering what happened that day. But do not let Satan use that. See God forgave you and now you need to forgive yourself. He will show you how.
I help save babies and I see the pain and the fear these girls have. I try to get them to change their minds and if the do not, I stay late until they come out and I give them Bibles and literature about after an abortion and let them know that God cannot bless them while thay are in sin and He cannot help them with the emotional pain of what they have done but if they truely seek Him, He is there and ready and willing to forgive them.
May God bless you and I will pray for your healing.
Vincenza,
It’s too late to pray for Roman. He is dead.
He was willfully killed by the one person who should have sought to protect him.
It is reported that Angele took weeks in investigating the differt types of abortion, to select the “best” type of killing method to end the life of her child with the least amount of pain.
Certainly, if the same intensity had been spent on seeking out the network and support of those who sought after the life of Rowan rather than his demise she could have found it.
Really prolifers are not too hard to find.
On a side note:
So many proabortion folks claim that abortion bound mothers should seek BOARD CERTIFIED abortionists
This abortuary is owned by late term specialist James Pendergraft, who is a ‘board certified OBGYN’.
And many proabortion and women’s groups came to his side during his extortion trial.
So much for ’safe’ abortions, hey?