Arrests occurred during prayer walk for abortionist Nareshkumar Patel
[UPDATE WITH CORRECTIONS: In the confusing moments of the arrests, some information was incorrectly reported to Operation Rescue. Below is a corrected version of the events. We apologize for the errors and for any confusion. -Operation Rescue Staff]
Oklahoma City, OK — An Operation Rescue Truth Truck was impounded Saturday evening in an exclusive gated community in Oklahoma City, and two men were placed under citizen’s arrest and jailed after a group of Christians prayed outside the home of abortionist Nareshkumar Patel.
Held in jail overnight were Randy Blaise of Wichita, Kansas, and Ric Dugan of Chicago, Illinois. One of Patel’s neighbors, placed the men under citizen’s arrest for trespassing. The men were taken into custody by the Oklahoma City police and released from jail the following day.
The Truth Truck was released from impound Sunday evening.
The Truth Truck had stopped at the gated entrance of the community and explained where they wanted to go to the guard on duty. The guard then opened the gate and allowed the Truth Truck to enter the community. The Truth Truck had not been asked to leave the gated community before the arrests, which actually took place after the Truth Truck had exited the community.
Seventeen other Christians who had accompanied the Truth Truck, were denied access to the community by the guard. They stood outside the gated community and offered prayer on behalf of the abortionist. They were not arrested.
A lawsuit is under consideration for false arrest and Constitutional Rights violations.
Abortionist Patel has himself had some run-ins with the law. In 1992, Patel was under investigation after partially burned bodies of aborted babies were discovered in a field he owned. In March, 1993, a patient accused him of forcible oral sodomy and sexual battery. A reprimand for unprofessional conduct appears on his medical license for failure to maintain dispensing records for dangerous drugs.
“We conduct neighborhood prayer walks for abortionists because they live such troubled lives and are in desperate need of redemption through Jesus Christ,” said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman. “We will continue to conduct these kinds of events even though there is often persecution that accompanies them. Many of our prayers for abortionists have been answered, and we have seen dozens stop the practice of killing innocent children in the womb. That is certainly worth a night in jail.”
The truth truck IS rather revolting. I certainly wouldn’t want children in my gated neighborhood to have to look at such graphic, violent images. Maybe you could pray without the grisly imagery?
Fran,
Why is the truck revolting? What is really bothering you about it? As for children seeing graphic violent images, have you checked out what children see on TV? How careful are we about sending children to movies these days because of what Hollywood produces? Obviously, children seeing graphic violence doesn’t upset us all that much. I suspect what bothers you Fran as well as others “concerned” about what children see is the truth behind these pictures.
“The truth truck IS rather revolting.”
–That’s because it displays the results of abortion, which are themselves way beyond “rather revolting.”
“I certainly wouldn’t want children in my gated neighborhood to have to look at such graphic, violent images.”
–Abortion is graphic and violent. The truth truck serves as a reminder of that.
Yea and Jesus could have died in a more sanitary way. War could be fought with nice words, and we can do surgery without shedding a drop of blood.
Sorry, too many people want to erase the evidence of abortion, (like those clinic workers who tossed the baby’s body on the roof down in Florida) I think OR is right to show the pictures. It saves babies and turns hearts toward heaven in repentance.
But it is also true that the same sun that melts wax hardens clay
I have to agree that the “Truth Truck” in a gated community is over the top. A nice quiet prayer vigil, with reminders of Patel’s history printed and available to pass out to curious onlookers, probably would have achieved a thousand times more.
“Be wise as serpents….”
Fran, revolting? Then why aren’t you? These pictures of aborted babies are without a doubt much more effective than any words we could print on a sign. Children who see these signs are either too young to know what it is, or old enough to be told in a calm, but caring voice about them. My experience is that the only time kids get upset is when the parent, either from past guilt from an abortion or guilt that they are doing nothing against abortion, screams in front of their children in protest against the signs. Graphic signs accelerated social change to end slavery and the Jewish Holocaust, and they will for America’s Abortion Holocaust. Pray what you can do besides complain.
I agree with Christinia. Nice quiet prayer would achieve so much more than the ways you are all promoting your opinion. Like I said in my previous post, I respect your opinion, but I am fiercly pro-choice.
I do realize that people need to be educated about abortion, but honestly, do you have to put those pictures on a truck for you to get your point across? Most people don’t believe those pictures anyway (although some do).
For once, I would love to see a protestor at a clinic, without any signs and without screaming at women who are entering the clinic. The clinic I go to for my birth control and regular pap smears also performs abortions, and I get so angry when protestors scream at me and call me a “murderer” and a “filthy whore”, when I am not going there for an abortion, and have never had one. How ridiculous is that. That shows how quick pro-lifers are to judge women. And one more thing, when men go to an abortion clinic with their girlfriends/wifes, do you see the protestors screaming at them and calling them bad names? I have yet to see it. When a woman is alone, why not get her ’sperm donors’ contact information and call him and scream, “YOU LOW LIFE DIRTY SCUMBAG!! HOW DARE YOU GET HER PREGNANT AND LEAVE HER ALONE!”. I doubt that will happen in this lifetime.
It is understood Kristin that pro-choicer’s [aka pro-baby-killers] would like ‘nice quite’ prayers without any graphic pictures of the killing.
However, it has been documented many times over that these graphics save lives! When graphics are used more babies are saved than when they are not used.
So…yes! The pictures on the truth truck get the point across. Abortion is revoltingly bloody. Abortion ends a human life.
As to your concern over the men being targeted, you don’t even mention the many pedophile adults who bring in their minor pregnant females to destroy the evidence of their abuse. Why is it that only anti-baby-killling advocates do anything about these men? Aborturies only try to cover up these mens involvement with silence.
Kristin:
“Nice quiet prayer would achieve so much more than the ways you are all promoting your opinion.”
–Would our nice quiet prayer work on you? It hasn’t yet, apparently. Besides, in other words (according to you), when we disagree with you, we are to be nice and quiet — but pro-aborts are allowed to say we’re “fundies,” who are just “Bible-thumping uneducated hillbillies,” who want to “foist our morality on you,” we’re to “keep our hands off your uterus,” etc. Most of the nastiness of the abortion debate is generated by your side — but then again, abortion is a nasty business, so you shouldn’t be surprised by the nastiness, now, should you?
“I do realize that people need to be educated about abortion, but honestly, do you have to put those pictures on a truck for you to get your point across?”
–One word: Yes. If showing pictures of the results of abortion is what it takes to end the killing of innocent unborn millions, that that is a small price to pay.
“Most people don’t believe those pictures anyway (although some do).”
–The smart ones do. The foolish disbelieve, since it keeps them in their blissful ignorance.
“For once, I would love to see a protestor at a clinic, without any signs and without screaming at women who are entering the clinic.”
–Bitter, bitter, bitter! I guess you haven’t seen many clinics picketed, have you? The vast majority are peaceful. By comparison, you admit to your own anger at us.
“That shows how quick pro-lifers are to judge women.”
–Seeing as how you’ve never met all pro-lifers (and don’t seem to want to), I suggest you reconsider your sweeping denial of all prolifers.
Kristin,
You make a good point concerning men. All too often men are relieved of any responsibility for their actions. Rape victims “asked for it”, abuse victims “deserved it”, a woman “got herself pregnant”, she was “careless”, etc. I would ask you though if legalized abortion has only given men more control over women, and relieved men of even more responsibility. Go back a few articles on this website and you will find an extensive discussion in previous posts on this, as well as excellent articles concerning forced abortion that I think you would find informative. You would see how legalized abortion has only enabled predators, abusers, and controllers.
Far from judging women, pro-lifers have established over 3,000 crisis pregnancy centers offering shelter, clothing, medical assistance and referral, job training, support and any other needed assistance.
Name calling and verbal abuse that is practiced by both sides is despicable and inexcusable.
If the pictures disturb you so much Kristin perhaps you should ask yourself why. Don’t you agree that its the injustice that should anger us, not the fact that someone showed us a picture of it?
Fran and Christina,
The prophetic ministry, always calls for open rebuke, and confrontation. I can’t think of one prophet in scripture, who hid his light under a bushel. Or a prophet holding a candle light service to renounce wickedness.
And from my recollection, the Right to Life crowd prayed for years…….prayer without action, without confrontation. I remember when the D & X procdure was first exposed, and RTL had a fit that some of us anti-abortion types where passing around the line drawing…….until of course, they found out it was a great way to raise funds. With all respect, this bloody war of 33 plus years, needs more exposure. I commend the folks in Wichita for the fine job of showing the American people their blood guilt. Yes, we all stand guilty, individually, and collectively as a nation, for this slaughter.
Kristin,
I have some honest questions for you. “When you see the pictures of aborted little boys and girls, why is your anger not vented toward the one(s) who committed such a horrible act?” (why stone the messenger?)
“If you saw pictures of dead two year olds that were murdered, wouldn’t you be angry at the murderer?” ( There is no difference with God whether a child is murdered preborn or postborn)
“Could it be possible, that you are guilty of taking the life of one or more of your children, and you can’t stand the reminder?”
The Lord knows all things. Nothing is hidden from His sight. You don’t have to be angry anymore, repent today of your sins and turn to Christ. That anger can be replaced with joy!
Love,
Stephanie
I have tried to find information about this situation in the Daily Oklahoman, I can not find anything. Maybe it is because a Gaylord lives in the neighborhood, and the family owns the Daily Oklahoman.
So Kristin, you are “fiercely” pro-abortion?
Tell me, why on God’s green earth would we take any advice from you regarding ending abortion? I’m sure you would love for us to stop at “nice quiet prayer”, but God wants us to do more than pray. Being a pro-abort, I’m sure you are not familiar with His ways. And before you cry that I am judging you, Christians are to judge a person by their fruit, and to beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing. Many heathens are confused about the issue of judging. Only God will give eternal judgement.
Of course we have to put these pictures on trucks, planes and automobiles. The media refuse to put them on television, and they must be seen.
You let an abortionist, who just killed a baby before coming in to you, touch you in your most private parts? I counsel in front of an abortion mill, calling out to the mothers (and fathers) entering the death camp, because we can’t take a chance that they are not on their way to kill their babies and miss the last opportunity to dissuade them. If you go to an abortion mill, we conclude you may be getting an abortion. It’s an abortion mill, Kristin. Abortions are the main business at the mill. If you were entering a homosexual bar to get a glass of water, many would think you were a lesbian. It is the appearance you generate. Even in the rare instances we find out that the woman is not there for an abortion, we still try to dissuade her from giving the killing center her business, as it helps to keep the mill open for more child slaughter. Abortion mills have been known to give out low-dosage birth-control pills, hoping to see you soon for an abortion. It is all about $$$.
So, if you don’t want to share in the guilt of the abortion mill you financially support, stop going there.
Kristin,
I am one of the more peaceful prolifers. I stand silently praying at least 2 – 3 times a month every friday at the local so called “clinic” where babies are killed.
I also pray for all people who enter the clinic.
I don’t scream, I don’t yell.
Who makes the noise?
PP’s employees/volunteers. They turn on leaf blowers, they start whistling, they loudly turn on a stereo.
All the prolifers want to offer is a helping hand – a supportive shoulder. For a young scared girl who feels like she HAS to do this.
Wow, I didn’t think I would receive so much attention.
First off, to Sharon, just because I am pro-choice does not mean for one second that I am not a Christian. I have my own opinion. Just as you said, God will give eternal judgement, so please do not preach to me. How do you think God feels about Pro-Lifer Michael Griffin? Do you think he was joyed that he shot an abortionist and killed him??
And how dare you tell me to stop going to my doctor to receive pap smears and birth control because Pro-Lifers stand and scream at me when I’m not even there for an abortion. Quite frankly, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever had someone tell me. My doctor doesn’t even perform abortions, there are other doctors in the building that do. I seriously can’t tell you how ridiculous that it, and I’m sure there is someone reading this that will agree with me. Maybe they should find out why I am there rather than judging right away and then harassing me.
Second, to Frank. You quoted me and responded in these sentences:
“That shows how quick pro-lifers are to judge women.”
—Seeing as how you’ve never met all pro-lifers (and don’t seem to want to), I suggest you reconsider your sweeping denial of all prolifers.
But right above that you said:
but pro-aborts are allowed to say we’re “fundies,” who are just “Bible-thumping uneducated hillbillies,” who want to “foist our morality on you,” we’re to “keep our hands off your uterus,” etc.
-Frank, seeing how you’ve never met all pro-choicers, how do you know I/we even think that way besides what you have read?
And for your information, I am from deep in the Appalachain mountains, so I have heard the term “hillbilly” all too many times. I would never refer to anyone as a hillbilly or a bible-thumper. I’m sorry if a fellow pro-choicer has referred to you as that, but I wouldn’t, so please don’t judge me by the worst of the pro-choice bunch, as I don’t judge you by the worst of the pro-life.
All_Life_IS_Precious says:
All the prolifers want to offer is a helping hand – a supportive shoulder. For a young scared girl who feels like she HAS to do this.
Exactly. That is what people from both sides of the abortion debate should do. I do not judge whatsoever in any choice a woman makes. If she wants to give birth, choose adoption or abortion, I would respect her the same. If she needs support on any of those choices, I would give her support, I would not try to push her to have an abortion.
It seems to me that the other side of the fence assumes that just because we are pro-choice means that we only support abortion. NO. That is very untrue. Pro-Choice means to support any decision.
Robert, I strongly disagree with any abortion clinic trying to cover up pedophiles. I think that they should be reported. That is one side of the abortion industry that I disagree with.
One thing that baffles me is when people see a pregnant teenager or a 14-year-old with a baby, and then they whisper to the person they are with about how slutty that looks, or how the girl should have kept her legs closed. Have you ever seen anyone actually walk up to a teenage mom and commend her on having a child that young? But yet, when a young girl is pregnant and chooses to have an early abortion, she also is judged. So how in the world does someone actually receive support in any situation? Yes, I agree abstinence is best, but of course in this day and time, that is never going to happen. So the girl is damned if she does and damned if she don’t.
And one last comment to Stephanie H.
You say: “Could it be possible, that you are guilty of taking the life of one or more of your children, and you can’t stand the reminder?”
I told you in my post that I had never had an abortion. So what in the world are you talking about?
A few more comments.
Mary, you are one of the most respectful pro-lifers I have had the pleasure of conversing with online. I wish all would be as calm and collected as you are. You are exactly right about men being relieved of their actions. It always happens. When I see a father taking care of his kids, I have the upmost respect for them.
There is absolutely no way for a man to look at a teenage girl who has been raped and became pregnant, and understand even half of what she is going through. Being a woman, I can also say I can’t even imagine half of what it is like to be raped, and my heart goes out to each woman who has had to endure that pain.
Most pro-lifers scream the word ADOPTION frequently. If there are so many couples so desperate to adopt, then why are there so many kids begging to be adopted?? Is it because they aren’t white and cute? Is it because they are colored with severe starvation or deformities? Pro-Lifers are so quick to persuade a girl out of abortion, but then they disappear when the child is born and starving because they cannot afford food, or pro-lifers are whining because their hard earned tax dollars are going towards welfare. How about the kids in Ethopia? Where is your support for them?
Put a pregnant woman and a starving child in front of you. Which would you do – Persuade the woman from aborting or give the starving child food? And please, be honest.
hmmm, gated community where a guard gave permission for entrance.
Does not sound like tresspass to me. The TT and occupants had expressed permission from the community guard to be on the property when he opened the gate.
If Ric and randy were not allowed to leave- (so as to arrest them) it would then be a case of false imprisonment.
WE FEEL GOD IS THE GIVER OF LIFE AND TAKER OF .AFTER ALL HE IS CREATOR OF ALL THINGS.JUST READ YOUR BIBLE STARTING WITH GENISIS .THE SAFEST
WAY TO KEEP FROM HAVING A UNWANTED BABY IS TO NOT DRESS THE WAY MANY OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS DO,THAT JUST IS ASKING FOR TROUBLE.WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME WHOM DRESS THE WAY GOD WOULD WANT US ALL TO.KEEP ON PRESS ON FOR THE MARK OF THE CROSS OF JESUS &LOOKING UP FOR IT WONT BE LONG FOR HIS RETURN!ALL BABIES DISEVRE A CHANCE AT LIFE,NOT DEATH BECAUSE OF THE WRONG
SEX OR EVEN RAPE.THE RAPEST SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR REST OF THE CHILDS LIFE &THAT INCLUDES MEDICAIL EXPENDANCES,WITH COLLEGE IF CHILD CHOOSES TO GO . GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
MR.&MRS.OSTRANDER,
I am extremely offended by your post. For you to say that because a woman (for some reason you refer to teachers) dresses in something that you don’t approve of, she deserves something to happen to her. I am assuming by you saying “she is asking for trouble” means asking to be raped.
Not only should a rapist have to take care of the baby, although I’m not sure the mother would want the rapist to, but all other fathers should have to take care of their children too, rather than leaving the mother to do all the work.
I’m not sure I can understand how you refer to God throughout your whole post, but yet say that a woman deserves trouble for dressing a certain way. No matter how a woman dresses, no matter what she says or does, once she says NO to a man, that means NO. If a woman reads your post and has been raped, she will take extreme offense to your wording. Please think about hurting someone with your harsh words before you spew them out everywhere.
(Corrected)
Kristin, please read this carefully, as you misunderstood much of what I wrote before:
Kristin: First off, to Sharon, just because I am pro-choice does not mean for one second that I am not a Christian. I have my own opinion.
Sharon: Having your own opinion does not make you a Christian, Kristin. Only God’s opinion matters, and as a CHRISTian, we follow Christ and adopt His opinions and standards as our own. If you hold an opinion contrary to God and His Word, and refuse to change and agree with God, you are not following Christ and are not a Christian. Of course, over time, you might change your opinion to conform with God’s Word, and may still become a child of God and receive eternal life rather than eternal damnation. If you are not in agreement that killing the unborn is against God’s will, read the 6th Commandment.
Kristin: And how dare you tell me to stop going to my doctor to receive pap smears and birth control because Pro-Lifers stand and scream at me when I’m not even there for an abortion.
Sharon: I advised you to stop going to an abortion mill not because others “stand and scream at you”. I gave several important reasons:
“…to dissuade her from giving the killing center her business, as it helps to keep the mill open for more child slaughter. Abortion mills have been known to give out low-dosage birth-control pills, hoping to see you soon for an abortion. It is all about $$$.” And, the last reason I gave: “If you don’t want to share in the guilt of the abortion mill you financially support, stop going there.”
Kristin: My doctor doesn’t even perform abortions, there are other doctors in the building that do…
Sharon: You should definitely double check with other staff at your “clinic” to see if the person doing your pap smears doesn’t also do abortions. Real doctors don’t work at abortion mills and abortionists lie.
Kristin: Maybe they should find out why I am there rather than judging right away and then harassing me.
Sharon: Right. Like everyone is going to walk over to us and let us know why they are entering an abortion mill. Like I said before: We can’t take a chance that they are not on their way in to kill their babies and miss the last opportunity to dissuade them.
Sharon: I’d also like to respond to some of your other comments:
Kristin: Have you ever seen anyone actually walk up to a teenage mom and commend her on having a child that young?
Sharon: Yes. I have. We have many students walk by the mill on their way to school. One teenage mom came by and I commended her on her decision to take responsibility for her actions, and gave her some helpful resources.
Kristin: But yet, when a young girl is pregnant and chooses to have an early abortion, she also is judged.
Sharon: If we see someone in sin, we are to warn them. We have to discern the situation (which calls for judgement) before we can even discern if they are in sin. We are not judging them by our own standards, but by God’s. Yes, this is a godly thing to do. If we couldn’t judge or discern in this way, how would we know who to share the gospel with? God wants Christians to judge by His standards. But, in the end, God will judge their eternal destiny, which all of us has actually chosen, by accepting or rejecting His Son.
Kristin: So how in the world does someone actually receive support in any situation?
Sharon: Did you not read what Mary wrote:
…pro-lifers have established over 3,000 crisis pregnancy centers offering shelter, clothing, medical assistance and referral, job training, support and any other needed assistance.
Kristin:Yes, I agree abstinence is best, but of course in this day and time, that is never going to happen.
Sharon: There are many who still save sex for marriage. We aren’t animals, Kristin. It does help to adopt God’s standards as our own, and have the help of the Holy Spirit.
Kristin: How about the kids in Ethopia? Where is your support for them?
Sharon: In the mail. (Does India and Cambodia count?)
Kristin: Put a pregnant woman and a starving child in front of you. Which would you do – Persuade the woman from aborting or give the starving child food? And please, be honest.
Sharon: Honestly, both. Obviously, the abortion bound child is in a more dangerous situation.
“These are not pretty pictures; they are not something you would pull out of your wallet or purse and show your friends, you would not say “look what I did to my son or my daughter”, yet this is what abortion is, and this is what it does; this is how pro-choice people “do” their children.
This is what Americans tolerate.
Abortion is as American as apple pie and Chevrolet!”
(Pastor Matt Trewella, Missionaries for the Preborn)
Kristin,
Thank you for your kind words. They are very much appreciated.
You raise several issues.
Concerning rape. Legal abortion and the lack of parental consent laws has been shown to enable predators. Please refer back to previous articles. Isn’t it tragic that a rape victim can be beaten, mutilated, infected with AIDS, even murdered, and she’s just another crime statistic. So long as she isn’t impregnated then sexual assault isn’t quite so bad. Let her become pregnant and our society goes ballistic. Women would truly benefit if our society was as repulsed by the act of rape and the predator as it is by the rare pregnancy that results. Abortion advocates have vehemently opposed parental consent laws and laws that require reporting of sexual assault prior to an abortion. Keep in mind predators do not confine themselves to one victim and will continue to victimize until they are stopped.
Concerning adoption. There are people desperate to adopt. You also have to check laws of various states and exactly what people know about them. One woman who adopted 3 siblings never knew single women could adopt or she would have adopted sooner.
Physically and mentally challenged children are adopted, though many stay in their own families and take advantage of services that are provided by the state. Many children are trapped in foster care because of legalities concerning parental rights. Over 30 years ago my hometown newspaper ran a weekly feature on hard to place children called “A Child Is Waiting”. Each week the response by people willing to adopt was overwhelming.
I already discussed services that pro-lifers have helped establish across the country. Its obvious we don’t feel the woman with a crisis pregnancy or an infant should be left to her fate. Keep in mind too Kristin that many of these girls are pregnant because they want to be, or they acted in such a way that pregnancy was inevitable. I have worked with these girls long enough to say this. Illegitimacy is promoted and glamorized by celebrities, TV and movies are saturated with sex. So why are we surprised at teen pregnancies?
Children in Ethiopia? How about Ecuador where I sponsor a child? I also donate to a select few charities as well that assist both the unborn and the born.
I’d be happy to answer your last question but I’m afraid I don’t understand exactly what you’re asking me.
Mary,
What I was asking is this.. There is a starving child and a woman who is pregnant and thinking of aborting both standing in front of you.. Which would you do? You can only pick one, not both. Would you give the starving child food or persuade the woman into not aborting?
Kristin:
“There is a starving child and a woman who is pregnant and thinking of aborting both standing in front of you.. Which would you do? You can only pick one, not both. Would you give the starving child food or persuade the woman into not aborting? ”
–Don’t try to use ill-fitting analogies. Your “question” is absurd since it’s not a question anyone really ever legitimately faces. The bigger question for YOU is, “if you come across a starving pregnant woman, would you help feed her, and her child? Or would you encourage her to abort?” Pro-lifers overwhelmingly would do the latter — and they do so with their hands, their hearts, their homes, and their dollars, every day, across the land.
Kristin,
Thank you for clarifying your question. I must admit I’m still a little confused by your question but I will try my best. I really don’t see the connection between the two. Aborting the woman will not feed the child, and feeding the child does not mean a woman has to abort.
Why can’t the child be fed and the woman carry her pregnancy to term? If your concern is about certain very poor countries, then the best answer is eliminating corrupt governments and promoting economic development to eliminate poverty and hunger, not elimination of the unborn.
I hope I have answered the question to your satisfaction.
I’ll admit, many years ago, I didn’t really care about abortion, one way or the other. In fact, I bought into the whole “It’s my body” thing. I was a side-line “pro-choicer”. My Catholic Church has always condemned abortion, but I didn’t really care.
Then I had the opportunity to see horrible images of murdered children. Haunting images of violently murdered real people. No longer could I blindly say “they’re not really human, yet”. I had to ask myself, when are they individual humans, deserving of every protection afforded the born? I could come to no other logical conclusion that they were fully human the moment they were conceived.
Haunting images found on the Truth Truck or web sites such as http://priestsforlife.org/ DO reach the hardest of hearts. It’s little wonder that the TT is egged, spat upon and impounded everywhere it goes. I think it’s our own guilt wanting to hide what we allow from ourselves.
Kristen, I pray that you will never have to face yourself in the ‘recovery’ room after your own abortion. I personally know those who suffer the most horrible guilt imaginable many years after their abortions. I’m told that for many, time doesn’t heal the pain of killing your own child.
I am very interested in finding the “group of Christians” who were praying outside the abortionist’s home. I have recently relocated to the OKC area after spending four years in Nashville. A small group of us consistently met outside the Planned Parenthood death camp most every Friday and shared the gospel with patrons as well as street people walking by. However, out here in OKC, I’ve not met any strong Christian brothers who would join me in doing exploits for the Kingdom of God over the lunch hour. Please visit my website at http://www.mikesoutherland.com and send me an email message if you are a Christian brother who would like to join with me. (I go to church in Enid, so my brothers there live too far away to join me at lunch.)
Kristin, you write:
“Most pro-lifers scream the word ADOPTION frequently. If there are so many couples so desperate to adopt, then why are there so many kids begging to be adopted?? Is it because they aren’t white and cute? Is it because they are colored with severe starvation or deformities? Pro-Lifers are so quick to persuade a girl out of abortion, but then they disappear when the child is born and starving because they cannot afford food, or pro-lifers are whining because their hard earned tax dollars are going towards welfare. How about the kids in Ethopia? Where is your support for them?”
As to the claim about so many children waiting for adoption, sources please? Those who favor legalized child slaughter often say this but fail to cite any sources. Please provide something that is neutral, not an abortion industry source and not a government source (the government is biased toward the pro-abortion side since abortion is legalized).
As to pro-lifers disappearing when children need food, you are making a blanket statement. You said you didn’t appreciate it when others did that to you. Please be consistent. Your statement seems to dismiss the thousands of crisis pregnancy centers. Many do not stop caring and helping once the baby is born. They usually provide free or low cost children’s clothes, furniture, classes, medical assistance, etc.
As to taxes, I doubt most pro-lifers would seriously object to helping those who truly want to help themselves. What conservatives typically object to is the all the government bureaucracy in between their tax dollars and the recipients of welfare. There are so many administrative fees and hands that the money must pass through that by the time it reaches the poor, there is practically nothing left. Furthermore, pro-lifers take great exception to tax money going to Planned Parenthood, the largest child killing business in the country. Do you like the fact that PP recently received over $270 MILLION tax dollars last year? Note that many states provide millions in addition. We are forced (against our CHOICE) to pay taxes. Then, the government takes our forced tax contributions and hands them over to a child killing business. We have no choice in the matter. If you are truly “pro-choice,” please condemn this. If PP was truly “pro-choice,” they’d refuse every last cent of government money.
If you are “pro-choice,” what about the baby’s choice? Why should the baby simply be executed for the “crime” of being an inconvenience without a lawyer and a trial by jury?
Kristen you DO sound angry to me. You also sound a bit confused. Your comments are in a defensive format. All most of us are saying is that there are other choices other than murder. A lot of people I know would love to adopt a beautiful newborn or how about the fathers of these babies-lets not underestimate them.
The great Rev. John Ensor, formerly of A Woman’s Concern in Boston, faced a similar situation to what Kristen asks: “There is a starving child and a woman who is pregnant and thinking of aborting both standing in front of you.. Which would you do? You can only pick one, not both. Would you give the starving child food or persuade the woman into not aborting?”
John describes this in his book “Answering the Call.” A couple had come in with several children. The husband wanted his wife to abort, due to lack of money for food. Their oldest son was (I think) a teenager already. John suggested to the dad that if providing enough food for his family was the paramount concern, then rather than abort the baby it would be better to kill the oldest child. After this Solomon-like advice, the dad protested and realized the error of his ways, and they kept the unborn child, much to the relief of the mother!