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I’m reading “Their Blood Cries Out” and it’s brought me to tears and pretty much put me in a state of mourning – and I’m only 6 chapters deep. It’s been an excellent book so far and I’ve learned things I didn’t know – and I considered myself a well informed pro-life person. This is something that every Christian should read – even if they aren’t active in the prolife movement. I’ll be buying extra copies for my family and church soon. Thanks Troy and Cheryl!
When I read the Rolling Stone article about operation Rescue’s efforts against the employees of Dr. George Tiller I got the impression that these people are acting like obssesed stalkers. Imagine some nobody who is just trying to pay his or her bills and get by in life. Then a group of people with some agenda begins following them all day and shouts at them over loudspeakers. Remember these are the salaried employees and not a wealthy physician who lives in some fancy community. At one of these sieges they created such a commotion that they caused car accidents. I don’t know about you but that’s not my idea of upholding Christian values. Oh yeah, they prayed for the people who were in the accidents. How about paying for the damage after the prayer circle breaks up?
Regarding the Rolling Stone article about Operation Rescue’s recent initiatives in pro life activities. I came across both the article and this defintion contemperaneously. When will the christian community be represented by resolve and love?
ter·ror·ism n.
“The ….use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.”
That’s unfortunate.
I recently read an article in Rolling Stone about operation rescue that made me sick. Troy Newman should not be allowed to roam the streets freely if all he’s going to do is stalk people trying to make a living. These people aren’t rich. If they were they’d be living like Tiller, safe and away from psychos. How anyone can go along with this man who makes me feel a deep loathing sickens me. Why would you do this to innocent people. Why ruin lives because you disagree with a woman’s RIGHT to choose what goes on within herself. Seriously, rethink your approach you insane radical.
anon says: “Why would you do this to innocent people. Why ruin lives because you disagree with a woman’s RIGHT to choose what goes on within herself.”
does the term schizophrenia mean anything to you, anon? because your comments are amazingly bass ackwards, so to speak. you ask why would someone do “this to innocent people” – well, prolifers have been asking this of all abortionists and their employees for 31 + years….. as prolifers, we wonder how anyone can stick a fork in the back of a baby’s skull and suck its brains out – we wonder how a so-called nurse can reassemble body parts on a table after a d & c abortion (ok, here’s an arm, here’s a leg….yes, looks like we got it all…), we wonder how abortion mill employees can take the remains of aborted babies and flush them down the sewer, using heavy commercial garbage disposals, or throw their remains in some hefty bag and then a dumpster…….
so yes, anon, we who are prolife ask ourselves, how can anyone do that to “innocent people”…..and don’t try to tell me that the unborn is not a member of the human family….
then you claim that the so-called right to choose is inviolate, even though roe v wade has no constitutional or scientific basis. what you are saying is that a baby can be killed if: it is in a certain location, is at a certain level of development, or is of a certain age.
somehow i would guess that you are not fighting for the right a woman to determine things about her body, if that something would include drugs or prostitution. in addition, the unborn baby has a completely different, seperate body that is the subject of the abortionist’s knife.
again, i repeat – the proabortion viewpoint is rife with schizophrenic inconsistencies, not to mention a lack of moral discernment.
steve and david
i don’t consider what ORW is doing to be harassment and certainly not terrorism….
if the people working for abortionists are “just trying to get by in life”, maybe they should consider another line of work….they are making money in shedding the blood of innocent children….now, if they were just working at mcdonalds or something, would they be bothered by this type of exposure? no. they are bothered by it because what they do is obscene. if you doubt that abortion takes a terrific toll on those who participate in it, go to:
http://www.touchstonemag.com/docs/issues/16.7docs/16-7pg22.html
in my view, are those working behind the closed doors of the abortion mills are the violent ones – they kill babies for a living, for God’s sakes. i see no problem with exposing them. what they are doing is shameful, and so for them to be ashamed is a natural thing…what isn’t natural is for someone to proudly do what they do.
This message is for all of my brothers and sisters in Christ working for and with Operation Rescue. Greetings and peace to you in the name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ! It thrills me to see people who are willing to speak out for what we know in our hearts to be right. At the same time, I am troubled. I have recently read several articles pertaining to the actions of Operation Rescue. These ultimately lead me to read the article in the Rolling Stone. And I must say that I am feeling as though you are manipulating your fellow man through forced submission to our God. We are taught that when one man repents, the angels in heaven rejoice. Sadly, I see no one repenting. I see people turning a deaf ear to the message that we have been charged to preach. 1 Cor. 5:12 says, “What buisness of it is mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked man from among you!” Brothers and Sisters we are being called only to judge those inside of God’s church. God will eventually deal with the wicked in his own time. In Matt. 13:24-30, Christ gives us the parable of the weeds. The seed sower(Jesus) plants his seed. But during the night an enemy(Satan), comes and sows weeds among the wheat(believers in Christ). When the wheat sprouted, so did the weeds(the wicked). When the servants asked the Master if the weeds needed to be pulled up He replies, “No, because while you are pulling up the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First, collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn” (Matt. 13:29-30). Christ is telling us that GOD will ultimately punish sin BUT He has still allowed it to exist along side his children. I’m going to make a statement so follow me on this one. God no longer punishes the sins of the wicked. Because the sins of the wicked as well as our on were nailed to the cross along with Jesus so th
at through his blood ALL can be redeemed. Brothers and sisters, we have no need to fight this battle for the battle has already been won! We are called only to be ever faithful to the Lord and preach his message as was charged to us in the Great Commission. And if you claim this fight as an effort to show other believers their error, there are better ways. First, try reasoning. If that does not work, Paul tells us to, “…hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord” (1Cor. 5:5). My biggest is fear is that for every “victory” that you achieve, and every clinic you sucessfully shut down, its at least one more person that will never turn to God. As believers we need to focus more on preaching the gospel and being good examples and less on harassing people that work at abortion clinics, and protesting outside there homes. We need to focus less on digging though these people’s garbage. We need to focus less on showing pictures of aborted fetuses to young children. Friends, I ask you: Are you doing the work of God? Can his glory be seen in your deeds? Is this battle against abortion winning people for the Lord? How has this battle affected your personal relationship with Christ? Why are you fighting a battle that has already been won when there are tasks of far greater importance that we have been commanded to undertake? Make no mistake, I believe that abortion is sinful and wrong. But we have not been charged to clean up the sins of the world. Just as Jesus taught, we have been charged to persevere through the evil of this world until the time of harvest, when Christ will seperate the wheat from the weeds(the righteous from the wicked). For whatever reason, God has allowed these evils to exist along side his children. It is not our job or place to purge the world of it. Only to stay vigilant. Write your congressman, preach it on the street corners and from the pulpits. And if these attempts are not sucessful, do not be discouraged. But remember t
hat God has greater purpose in all things and His ways are not our own. Our wisdom is foolishness in the sight of God. But whatever you do, do not heckle, annoy, or harass the very people that we have been commanded to minister to. I am very certain that we can all think of better methods of evangelism. And do remember: we were not charged to bring about an end to abortion and the other sins of this world, but simply to preach the loving mercy and forgiveness of God through the blood of Christ. That is our message. Pray that God may guide you, brothers and sisters, and rejoice that the battle has indeed already been one! Thank you, Lord Jesus!
Yours in Christ,
Jason
jason
i must say that i disagree with you on several points. first of all, you read articles that are written by proabortion publications, and you form opinions based on the biased reporting. that seems to lack discernment, in my view.
next, you say you see ‘no one repenting’. well, that is a bit silly, is it not? are you able to be there and physically witness someone repenting? to imply that no one is repenting is simply false. numerous people have indeed, repented, and some women have been persuaded not to go through with their abortions – do you not think those women thank Almighty God for what may at the time have seemed like harsh confrontation when they look at the faces of their precious children? of course they do.
thirdly, if people decide to turn a deaf ear to the gospel, then they have chosen to reject Christ, and that is not our domain. God tells us that He will not lose a single one of us. God can work through protesters, pictures, and rebuke just as He can work through tracts or other methods of reaching people.
fourth, you say that we should ‘preach it from the street corners and from the pulpits’. well, the facts are that most churches are silent on this issue, and never mention it at all. in fact, some are proabortion. you quote the verse about judging the brother within the church, but sadly, that is not being followed. tiller is a member in ‘good standing’ at the lutheran church in wichita, and he leaves there on sunday without being confronted at all, and goes back to killing late term babies on monday. so it’s not being preached from the pulpits. perhaps if it were, there would be little need for groups such as ORW. many so-called believers don’t even vote or care who our leaders are. this is sinful and leads to exactly the kind of situation we have right now in this country. as an example of what i am saying, look at the homosexual movement. i disagree with their agenda completely, but with 3-5% of the population, they are able to accomplish much of what they set out to do. imagine if Christians, who comprise anywhere from 60-80% of the population, rose up out of their pews and began to affect the culture as salt and light the way we are called to do, instead of sitting around singing hymns and lamenting the decline of the culture. most believers spend far more time and energy on entertainment and selfish pursuits (just like the world except on sunday) than they do trying to reach the lost or make a difference on life or death matters like this one.
you say there are far more important things to do than expose the evil that is abortion….i say there is NO more important issue than one which takes the lives of 4000 children every day, much of it subsidized by our tax money, and promoted and encouraged by various government institutions.
your problem, jason, is that you haven’t studied history. when the abolishionist movement was flourishing in the 19th century, i’m sure there were people just like you who said “let’s not get involved – God will judge the sin of slavery in His own time – let’s just preach the gospel…”. and i’m sure in the 30s and 40s, in nazi germany, there were people just like you who said “let’s not get involved – God will judge those people who are killing the jews – let’s just preach the gospel…”. because of attitudes like yours, the church has largely become ineffective within the culture, and historically, that is disastrous. eventually, evil must be confronted, and since the victory has been won, as you noted, we should be the ones coming against the gates of hell, instead of simply waiting for the rapture, comfortably numb to all that goes on around us.
furthermore, how can you say that for every ‘victory’ achieved, that one more person will never turn to God? what kind of nonsense is that? how do you know whether someone will turn to God, and what will lead them to do so? you don’t.
then you ask “is this battle against abortion winning people for the Lord?”. well, stop and think a minute. each one of those unborn children killed is a PERSON. who will speak up for them, if not Christians? i agree that to
‘heckle, annoy, or harass’ is not very Christ-like. but are you sure that is what is happening? or is that just what you have read in proabortion magazines and websites?
i urge you to become more informed about this issue.
jason
you might start by going to this link and reading a three part column by doug giles, not on this issue, but on the state of today’s church….
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/dg20040717.shtml
i’m a woman who was raped and I had to make a terrible decision. But it was very early on. I wish Jesus had still been here so that he could physically wrap me in his arms to walk past all of those who called me the most horrible of names. Don’t any of you realize how complicated life can get?
Jesus was with me, too. i. I just knew it-I felt him there with me. And he will be there to love me through all of it. The only human one who showed any subtle understanding of the complexities of my situation was my doctor–not the name callers I had to be protected from. my doctor saved my life that day. God bless him.
A.
i’m a woman who was raped and I had to make a terrible decision. But it was very early on. I wish Jesus had still been here so that he could physically wrap me in his arms to walk past all of those who called me the most horrible of names. Don’t any of you realize how complicated life can get?
Jesus was with me, too. i. I just knew it-I felt him there with me. And he will be there to love me through all of it. The only human one who showed any subtle understanding of the complexities of my situation was my doctor–not the name callers I had to be protected from. my doctor saved my life that day. God bless him.
A.
A
are you sure that was Jesus? i mean, God does forgive (once a person sincerely repents), but i’m not aware that He walks with people while they willingly go through with something He hates. repentance is agreeing with God about sin, and turning from that.
secondly, let me tell you a slightly different story, of a woman who was raped. she choose life for her baby, and gave the child up for adoption. why? because the child should not be punished for the sin of its father. that woman went on to become happily married, and the mother of other children. she is completely at peace with her decision to allow her child to live, and to be placed in the loving arms of a couple who wanted a child desperately but couldn’t conceive.
God does not make mistakes.
it is sad that someone didn’t try to show love and compassion to you during that episode – i’m not sure of all the details – but in my view you also failed the compassion test in regards to how you and your ‘doctor’ chose to deal with the matter. the good news is that it’s not too late for you to repent and call sin ’sin’, and be forgiven. though i don’t presume to know the pressures you were under, the truth is that what you did was wrong, no matter how you try to justify it.
I’ve done sidewalk counseling for many years and currently work at a pregnancy help center that deals with many women considering abortion. I have never heard a sidewalk counselor verbally attack a woman entering an abortion mill. We offer loving alternatives.
My husband and I also have had 13 women live in our home over the course of about 15 years. Two of them were rape victims. They spared themselves the grief of knowing they did to their babies what the rapist did to them. One of the young women used to dream about the horror of the rapist’s attack, but never considered hurting her baby. She was the mother, after all. Because she was stabbed in the abdomen during the rape, she miscarried, but did not have to live with the grief of knowing she killed her baby because of the father’s sin.
No woman’s life was ever improved by abortion. Some have subsequently died from breast cancer, a disease that has exploded since abortion became legal.
It is interesting that those who show graphic pictures and share the truth of abortion are labeled “terrorists” and “violent.” But those who DO what the bloody pictures only show are defended. It is one more example of attacking the messenger who tells the unpleasant truth.
The pro-life movement is the most non-violent group of civil protestors in the history of this country. The number of abortion mill workers injured or killed is very small. Pro-lifers who have been threatened are ignored by the media. How many hear of the bombs thrown into their homes? Human Life International did a study showing their were thousands attacked and threatened, but hidden by the pro-abortion media. How many know about the bomb threat recently sent to Alan Keyes’ campaign in Illinois?
The blindness and hypocrisy is not surprising. Someone who favors stabbing a baby in the neck with a scissors and suctioning out his brains would hardly be squeamish about lying or acting violently toward others.
i still question this fear and scare tactic method that you all seem to use in attempting to save people. religion is a great way of going about it, if you are speaking to other christians, i suppose. but when you get out into the big world, you will find that the majority of people are not religious and do not believe what you do, in fact some will laugh in your faces. you will not be able to scare those people into believing what you do, and i would love to know what your method is for helping these people.
additionally, you JUST sat here and questioned whether or not someone could physically see repentances to prove that they are not happening, and then you counter yourself by questioning whether or not the Lord could have even been bothered to comfort this emotionally pained woman! if you are going to make this debate about religion, than please do it correctly. you know that the Lord would NEVER abandon His child simply because she had to make a difficult decision such as this. the Lord is the most forgiving force in the whole of time and i refuse to accept that He would not have been there for her… been her solace when He was needed, even if she was doing something that He did not agree with. casting judgement will get you nowhere. i pray that you find mercy enough to lend a hand to those who go through what you will never have to experience.
A… i commend you for your strength. keep on!
hillary
your post contains so much schizophrenia i don’t know where to begin. the following statement of yours is totally convoluted and completely lacking in any relation to reality:
“additionally, you JUST sat here and questioned whether or not someone could physically see repentances to prove that they are not happening, and then you counter yourself by questioning whether or not the Lord could have even been bothered to comfort this emotionally pained woman!”
i re-read this statement about four times and still have absolutely no idea what it means….
i never said God cannot comfort a woman after she has committed a terrible sin. but to imply that a woman going through with an abortion is ‘comforted’ by the presence of God is blasphemous. for God to be there and forgive her afterwards, should she repent, is another matter altogether.
as far as this business about abortion being a ‘difficult decision’ and God being ‘understanding’ about that – please….
God does NOT approve of baby killing. and He does NOT walk with people while they commit horrendous acts of evil, even if they do so out of ignorance. there is nothing in scripture that supports your view – sorry.
God does forgive, but only when someone repents and asks for forgiveness, by agreeing with Him about sin. in other words – repentance.
i suggest you do a bit more reading of God’s Word before weighing in with what you think He is all about.
Last evening, I spoke (online) with a friend who has read “Their Blood Cries Out.” My friend and I have many similarities. She too is post-abortive. She too is deeply repentant and has received absolution. She concurs with me – 100% – in my heartfelt respect for your efforts to rid our world of abortion. We are both victims of rape, although my pregnancy was not the result of this crime. She shared with me some of the passages from your book that concern her, however.
Like me – she is deeply hurt by being compared to Timothy McVeigh and deemed a “contract killer” – a cold-blooded acid-assin who deserves to be executed by the state.
Did you really make these evocations – with straight face and untroubled conscience?
If you did, then I cannot in good conscience purchase this book. No, I was not executed by the state – and the idea of a 16-year-old girl being put to death for the sin I committed (and a serious sin it was) – and in the circumstances I faced – is very hurtful to me.
I make no apologies – to you or anyone else – for not hating myself. I make no apologies for surviving more suicide attempts than King Ramses had concubines. I will not regard every man who impregnated any post-abortive woman on a par with Uday and Qusay, the two raping, pillaging piles of Saddam-spawned pig puke who are now mercifully dead.
After three decades, I know I should be more thick-skinned. But the legacy of abortion wounds the heart – not the intellect. I refuse to sublimate a vital aspect of my womanhood on the altar of the psychobabblic pop spewage commonly found in Ms. Magazine.
I don’t know if you concern yourself with post-abortive women – nor if you care about our feelings, but you have hurt me. You have hurt me (and my friend) very deeply indeed.
In skimming over these comments, a couple things came to mind…
there are some people who end up in hard circumstances, but the unborn baby shouldn’t be executed for the crimes of the father (as in rape or incest)…
These cases are extremely rare however, and most women abort b/c of fear of their reputation, but sadly in our society somehow some people feel it’s more okay to kill an already conceived child, than to let them live..
another thought was just that I am so glad Jesus is so merciful, and forgiving..but he does not ever permit abortion, the killing of a child, for any reason, anymore than he would say okay to shooting your neighbor b/c their a pain in the neck.
polly
i’m afraid you may have taken some things out of context. no one, least of all ORW, is advocating the execution of any post-abortive woman. ORW reaches out in kindness to post-abortive women all over america, and there are links on this site specifically for their benefit.
the doctrine of bloodguilt, which is the main focus of the book, has to do with a nation that is guilty of bloodshed, and how to return to a Godly, life-affirming state of affairs. we’re ALL guilty of the sin of abortion – the clergy who won’t preach on it, the men who want it legal so they don’t have to take responsibility, the grandmothers who advocate it for their daughters so they can go on to college or some such thing, the pew-sitters who refuse to get involved, the politicians who sell out and won’t stand for righteousness, the wall-street people who invest in abortion technology to make money, etc……
we ALL deserve death. but thankfully, Jesus has paid the price so that we do not have to. but the apathy on this matter is simply intolerable, and troy has helped to put things in perspective. but you are mistaken to assume that words taken out of context mean what you think they mean. he is minister of the Gospel, for God’s sake – do you really think that he would advocate the execution of women who have been deceived into aborting, or coerced into aborting, or whatever…? please do some more research on this – contact cheryl, or troy – but don’t pass judgement based on what little info you’ve come across that has been blown out of proportion and taken out of context. your friend has leaped to conclusions, and i would venture to say, has not read the entire book, but only picked out selected paragraphs that bothered her, and is on a crusade now to make troy look vicious, when it just isn’t so.
“Tony”…..
First of all – a few words about my longtime friend, whom I’ve known and cherished since the fall of 1971:
She is a highly-educated mother and wife who currently serves on the faculty of a major Kansas university. She is also now (and has always been) one of the sweetest and most unaffected people in the world. (Some years ago, I told her she was “religious in the purest sense of the word.” I meant it.) She too is post-abortive and has counseled more than a few young girls who, like she and I, are repentant (and older and wiser than they once were). None of them are scheming, profligate “contract killers” – nor do any of us resemble Timothy McVeigh.
The idea that my friend is “on a crusade” to make anyone “look bad” is ludicrous.
Guessing (correctly, as it turns out) that the authors would fail to respond to my earnest question(s) expressed earlier, I asked my friend to fax me a few chapters. She did so.
Suffice it to say, “Tony” – I couldn’t believe my eyes.
Obviously, I’m not really an unintelligent woman myself. (I’m leaving out that morbid period at the end of 1974, when my vision of greatness involved gazing at someone’s trailer-park refrigerator in which the grease has coagulated into the likeness of the Marquis de Sade.)
Further, allow me to stress what has been, for me, the defining principle of my (adult) life. I’ve been fond of congratulating myself that my extrication from Roman Catholicism in 1989 was autonomous. That was not wholly correct. I was comforted immeasurably by a book titled “A Question of Conscience.” The author, whose name has long escaped my memory and whom I still wish to thank, stated the following in his opening premise: “Christian commitment cannot be divorced from concern for human suffering.” That was the writer’s overarching theme.
Similarly, it should have informed the verbiage of “Their Blood Cries Out.”
Post-abortive anguish can do many things – both positive and negative. It can transform hearts. It can be propulsive. It can guide consciences and alter the course of one’s life. It can also wreak havoc, and have a deleterious effect upon one’s relationships – marital and/or otherwise.
Praise God – my friend has triumphed and persevered. As a wife and mother and educator, she doesn’t really have time to be undone by the cruelties of others. But she sees others who are not so fortunate.
Forget being “hurt,” “Tony.” I’m just downright angry right about now.
My post was taken off. Why? Because I told the truth. Operation Rescue terrorized my child yesterday by exposing her to the Truth Trucks and taking away my rights to protect the child I chose to bring into this world. You disrupted the right of my parenting to decide when a 7 year old should view graphic and oversized images of late stage abortions. She witnessed dismembered and beheaded pictures on the side of a truck that we passed on the highway. Your organization was responsible for disrupting my child’s sleep and feeling of safety in her life. Shame on you . I will keep posting. This was unfair to me as a parent. I chose life. You chose to violate my right to protect her. Freedom of Speech let you torture a child who is living in this world and did not deserve to be exposed to those images. You accomplished nothing good. Nothing. Feel good about your sick selves. Probably. You don’t value all life.
polly
i have no problem with the point of troy’s book, which is NOT intended to address PAS. it is intended to wake up a lethargic, apathetic and indifferent church to what is going on around it every day.
as far as mcveigh goes, all of us are guilty of offending an almighty God, and i suspect that He is equally offended by the nonchalance and apathy of His people in the face of a holocaust like abortion, than He is by the sin itself. just because you or i didn’t do what mcveigh did, doesn’t let us off the hook. we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God, and the Bible tells us the the human heart is ‘desperately wicked’.
that’s all of us, polly, not just tim mcveigh.
you can try and cast yourself as not being as bad as the next guy, but God doesn’t grade on a curve. we’re all guilty, and we all must give an account.
this is why He sent His Son, that we might believe in Him, and have everlasting life.
as far as this book goes, i think you and your friend are trying to find things to be offended about, rather than just reading the whole thing and trying to understand what the author is really trying to say about the national guilt of every american, in the face of 32 years of legalized baby killing. there are plenty of books about PAS, and i doubt they discuss other issues, such as national bloodguilt. there are books about helping prolife politicians campaign, books about the breast cancer link, books about abortion and the church, books about planned parenthood and their bloody legacy, etc…. and none of these books address all the issues. i don’t think it’s realistic for you to try to find comfort and healing in this type of book. there are dozens of organizations and publications that do a fine job with that area. but no one organization or publication can deal with all of the peripheral issues relating to sanctity of life.
troy’s book (i have read some of it, and will read the rest) is about forcing people to face up to the judgement that america is storing up for itself, if we continue down this path. and if you know scripture at all, you will see that
God hates it when His people don’t pursue justice for the poor, weak, and small among us. and He always holds nations accountable for this type of thing.
human must stop killing innocent baby
Humans should also not be allowed to use freedom of speech in an irreseponsible behavior. Humans should protect innocent life here on earth and shelter young children from graphic images before they are ready. Children who are living should not be exploited and used in front of abortion clinics. Children should not be targeted in your campaign and should be protected from your distorted images on vans driving down the highway. I want to know how you claim to protect life when you subject innocent, young, spiritually pure lives to aborted fetuses. How can you value life when you carelessly expose your campaign to the masses without regard to a parents’ right to censorship and responsible guidance in sex education. Our televison stations chose not to show beheadings of innocent lives tortured by the terrorists in Iraq. They did so to protect innocent children from graphic images. TV shows prepare audiences for graphic images before showing in order to protect parents from allowing their children to see images before they are ready. But not Operation Rescue with the so called Truth Trucks. No warning, no regard for parental protection, just the graphic images for a young child to see. Truth maybe, Reckless Advertisement, most definetely. How do you explain your so called protectection of life….
To the parent who was upset that her child viewed the pictures on the Truth Truck: that is sad, but it shows that NOTHING GOOD can ever come from abortion, and we should not expect that. It is not possible for a society that has permitted 50,000,000 of its innocent posterity to be done to death, to “hide” this monstrous fact, nor should it be hidden. The sin of abortion is so monstrous that, again, NOTHING good can ever come of it. If we as parents do not want our children affected by abortion, we should work to end it. If this were Nazi Germany and there were pictures to be seen of the ongoing horrors of the concentration camps, would you be upset that they be seen, or that they occured! The only thing good that can ever come from evil, is that the hearts of people be turned to resist that evil in every possible way that they can, and defeat it. To the person who says we need not do anything because God will address the evils in the world, this is not at all Biblical. We are to do good and avoid evil. Also, “the only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is that good men do nothing.” Evil IS triumphing. It is time to begin resisting it! God bless Troy and the other courageous ones on the very front lines of the battle. They deserve the gratitude and deep admiration of us all, though that is not what they seek. The least the rest of us can do is to get behind then, lest they who lead the charge at so much personal sacrifice turn around to see no one following! If you are a high school or college student, go and help outside of the killing places. If you are a retired person in reasonable health who now has time, don’t spend it playing Bridge; go and make your presence known at the killing places. If you are a person who spends hundreds of hours a year watching television, turn it off and go to the killing places. We all will have to give an accounting of the wasted time in our lives when there was so much good to be done. If you are a professional person who finds time for sports and leisure an
d entertainment, ask yourself if you have no time at all to help others, rather than indulge yourself. If you attend church, ask yourself if you are bearing the fruit of what you have heard in your services, or if you go out to breakfast, or go home, and then forget what you have heard about truly loving God and your neighbor. Think of it! If there were hundreds of people crammed onto the sidewalks around the killing place every single day, week in and week out, in all weather and all seasons, more people than could ever be taken away, peacefully, prayerfully there as a never-ending presence, the killer would give it up and go away. Let us begin! The hour is so late!
A heartsick Kansan.
It’s funny how no one from ORW has repsonded to Melinda’s comments about your so-called “Truth Truck”. It seems she isnt the only one that had a post removed. I commented about those trucks driving thru Tampa a few weeks ago and my post is no where to be found. I realize this is your site and you can manage and edit it as you please, but if you’re gonna force-feed your propoganda to the public with your trucks and your rhetoric than allow those of us affected by it to voice our opinion back to you.
Don’t be selective in what you post and cowardly when you don’t have some super-charged religious comeback for a posting someone put on here, simply acknowledge it and use your religion as an excuse for all you do like you always do.
Just remember that no matter what you do abortion will always be a sin that exists, your radical ways of dealing with it will turn more people from God then turn them toward him. They will think a lot like I do already……”It’s not God I have the problem with, it’s just some of his fans.”
Do your qrganization and the general public a favor, get those disgustingly graphic and totally offensive trucks off the street. My kids and others who could care less about your cause don’t need to be exposed to this, you supposedly care so much about the children then why the hell do you want to subject them to content like this!!!
You claim your cause is for the preservation of life and what’s right. Well exposing my kids and other children to your graphic garbage isn’t right and does nothing to motivate me to rally behind your cause, more than anything it convinces me that you’re just a bunch of right-wing religious radical fanatics who care about nothing more than your own agenda, regardless of who is exposed to it.
Thanks to those who chose to comment on my post. I will no longer be on the site, for I do not want to give anymore energy to the operationrescue website. If you truly want to effect change, you would do so at the source of the problem, not trying to attack those professionals who are trying to help someone get through a life crisis. It is not a political or a religious problem. The problem is rooted at fear. Women who are faced with abortion are faced originally with unprotected sex or careless sexual behavior. They have abortions to solve the crisis and it appears to be the most viable choice. They would have it regardless of the law…. Regardless of your group standing in front of the clinics…regardless of your disgusting trucks. The true heroes of this casue are the parents who talk to their children and provide a safe place no matter what their kids are faced with…. The only way to stop abortion is to open communication and safety…your way does not work. I will continue to protect my child and teach her, and what I hope to do is to show her ways to make a choice of protection.. not careless, graphic, distorted responses to crisis in her life… not like the areas of life your group focuses on….
I usually hate to get involved in this, since no one ever really changes anyone else’s mind. But, are there some points in this argument worth considering:
1) Christians should be willing to admit that their position is derived from their (often over simplified) exegesis (interpretation of the Bible). Thus, any scientific or legal reasoning (e.g. genetics is an imperfect marker of personhood. i.e. cancer may have very different but human genes from its carrier, but we do not consider it human) will not be persuasive.
2) Christians are called not to law, but to love. Christ was not a reinstitution of the Davidic line as a temporal power. Christ’s fundamental message is Christians change their lives so that they will be a source of change for the world. If Christians are called to follow Jesus as their primary faith statement, then they are called to live their message like Him- through self-sacrifice and not through instituting temporal law. The pagan Roman empire was not changed by taking over the magistrates and outlawing sacrifices. Even Constantine only made Christianity accepted within the Empire. Forced conversions came later and should be considered a blight upon the Christian mission. Change takes place in hearts and lives, not in law. Therefore, Christians should fundamentally work on getting all of the children in foster homes into families. There is a great moral difference between picking up an already living, exposed child (as early Christians did) and simply forcing women to bear children they feel unable to raise. So, you say adopt? Good Christians, do so! Adopt the child with Down’s syndrome, adopt the 5 yr old with a traumatic past. There is a 10 year wait for a healthy white baby, but, Good News, you can have one with special needs this year! Support the women who chose to keep their children, not perinatally, but when the child is 5, 10, 15. Find a woman who chose to keep the baby and start a college fund for it. Invest yearly the same amount you do for your child. How about responsible voting that will mean self-sacrifice? Vote to increase taxes to pay for healthcare for all children, Head Start, worker education programs. Vote to protect the environment so that future generations can enjoy God’s world as it was intended. As yourself where am I taking more of my share of resources that should be someone else’s. What would Jesus drive? These are not unrelated issues, my friends.
3) Non-christians are not immune from moral arguments. Just because you do not believe in God does not you do have a sense of right and wrong. People of other faiths also have fundamentally moral core beliefs. Morality is a way of functioning in civil society. We must be able to agree to common precepts about what are the goals and values of our shared life in community. This will take responsible dialogue and not “‘Cause the Bible told me So.”
5) The pro-choice position is not necessarily pro-abortion. It allows for individual moral choice on the part of those most intimately affected by the fundamentally dependent fetus’ existence. Most pro-choice supporters actively seek ways to reduce the number of women who need such services.
Somewhere in the midst of this, perhaps we really can find common ground.
6)For something a bit more incendiary – perhaps the critical issue is whether a fetus is alive and therefore granted protection under law. A fetus is not autonomous; therefore in a strict current legal sense, even if human, it does not have autonomous rights. In a sense, the umbilical cord’s closest analogy is the artificial feeding system (tube feeding). Feeding tubes are considered artificial support, and can be legally removed by those controlling the patient’s rights (the issue in Florida is who has those rights, not whether it is a right, whatever the Neo-Pharisee Christians want to say). Since the fetus is not autonomous, the woman could chose to terminate the “artificial feeding” supplied by the umbilical cord.
Ok, you say. Let’s just consider fetuses independent beings. However, everyone must admit that there is an intimacy of that connection. The state of the fetus is one of utter dependency; whatever its living status it is not an independent being. No woman considers her fetus simply an autonomous being taking temporary residence inside her. If fetuses were independent beings, then there should be no problem in the woman taking Mifipristone. Remember, it is a fully independent being with autonomous rights. The woman is simply injesting a chemical, the fetus is an independent bystander, who happens to share a blood/placenta barrier. Sure, it didn’t choose for her to do that; but I don’t choose for you to drive a SUV that pollutes my air snd gives me cancer either. Fetuses are not independent lives; it doesn’t make sense, therefore, treating them as such. They are interdependent on the woman in such a way that her rights and concerns about continuing that relationship do matter in ways that the relationship between a mother and her 3 year old child do not. A three year old child is an independent life; whether a fetus is alive or not (biologically the answer is, I’m afraid, no) it is not independent. A three year old can be cared for by someone who is not their mother, a fetus cannot. A thee year old is a human with a developed neocortex, a fetus is not. A three year old sustains their own life (I know, you can’t leave them in the forest by themselves, but they can breath, eat, react) in ways that a fetus cannot (yes, pre-viability (with the generous definition of when 10-15% survice) but that is when the vast majority of abortions occur). The murdering your child vs. aborting a fetus is not a responsible argument because of the vast substantial difference in independence and ability to be cared for between the fetus and the child.
allie
a lot of words, but none of it substantive, or supportable with facts.
you, as a pagan, have no right to come on this site and try to explain what you think Christians are supposed to believe or do. the altar that you worship at is your own self image. Christians worship the Creator of all things, including the unborn.
the Bible is very clear on the humanity of every person, born and unborn – there is no ambiguity there whatsoever. so you’ve failed to persuade anyone of your left wing gobblygook. as far as the environment, and raising taxes, and the old, tired standby about foster care, etc… – get real. these are pathetic arguments that have no substance. abortion kills a human being, no matter what the level of development of that child (or if you prefer to use the latin word for “little one”, which is ‘fetus’, then fine).
the lies you have told in your post are a shameful attempt to try and cloud the issue. abortion is no different than throwing your three year old down the stairs.
hey, allie – just a suggestion here. why don’t you try a few things:
1) get a Bible for the first time in your miserable life and read it – and get involved with a Bible study program so you don’t read it backwards and upside down, trying to make it say what you think it should say
2) study elementary biology
3) view an abortion taking place (numerous films exist – i suggest either ‘hard truth’ or ‘eclipse of reason’.)
4) view an ultrasound
5) do some research on post-abortion syndrome and how many women (and men) suffer from it, and what they think about your silly notions on the value of unborn life
something tells me, though, with a head as thick as yours, nothing will penetrate. i’m sure you’ll still cling to the ridiculous opinions you’ve gotten from some proabortion website, and will still remain proabortion, which is exactly the same as being “prochoice”.
Jerry-
See, this is the weird thing about the abortion thing. For you it is clearly a matter of faith, and any other arguement is unacceptable. But you want to make it law in a country of peeople who do not necessarily share your faith. Engage in the ethics of the issue in a pluralistic society or set up your theocracy somewhere else. But for your suggestions-
1) My life is not miserable, but thanks for the Christian love. Nevertheless, I consider myself a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. No, really, I do. It gets worse. I’ve studied both Christian theology and science at a graduate level. So, yeah, I’ve had a bit of elementary biology.
So, 2)I have read the Bible, throughly, repeatedly, and faithfully. Bible studies, Church, courses in Old and New Testament and Theology with Evangelicals, Catholics and pro-lifers too. I would not say that the Bible is unanimous on the humanity of the fetus. Why are fetuses or even infants under one month NOT counted AS PEOPLE in Numbers 3.15, Exodus 27.6? How do you responsibly translate Exodus 21.22? In the Hebrew, the fight causes, at a minimum, a premature birth if not miscarriage. Trust me, virtually no premature infants would not have survived in ancient Israel. And yet, it is not considered on par with taking human life. How many times do faithful people in the Bible say that it would be better than they had never been born? Why does the “breath of life” seem to matter for what constitutes living? I know, I know, the devil can quote scripture for his purposes. But, “no ambiguity”? Maybe you should read the whole thing, too.
3) Part of reading the whole book is understanding what a faithful life looks like. You tell me I am not factual and then dismiss arguements that Christians should live lives that responsibly care for society. What sort of evidence is “these are pathetic arguments that have no substance”? Christians are, in fact, called to be Christ to the world by self-sacrifice. Christ LOVED, unconditionally and self-sacrificially. And he had an aweful lot to say about what Christians should do with their money. Creating a world where women have the resources they need not just to bring a child into into the world but to support its flourishing is pro-life, responsible pro-life. Being environmental says that you believe in caring for all of God’s creation so that future generations can use it as well. Face it – the suggestions I made would require more of you than just voting Republican does (which is so convenient that you can vote God and Mammon) and are a lot more in keeping with how Christ tells us to be Christian than hate-filled speech, fear, intimidation, nasty pictures, and getting the government to do our work for us through penial law.
But you say, it is murder, and that matters more? Even if I accepted your argument, the WORLD will always offer DEATH. Abortiofacients have been around since biblical times. They will exist after Roe V Wade. Christians can only offer the ABUNDANT LIFE that God offers them if they would actually live their lives faithfully before telling other people what to do. How we create the Kingdom of God on Earth matters. Minimalists statments like “well, at least they are alive” will not do. What profits them to gain their life only to lose it again? We have a higher calling, a calling to care radically, self-givingly, and throughout the child’s whole life. Hate, fear, intimidation, (petty insults), and punishment have no place in the Christian offer of life.
4) I’ve seen ultrasounds, even taken a whole graduate level course in Embryology. I know when the heart beats, when the neocortex develops, how that little ball of cells differentiates. I also know in gory detail the sorts of severe malformations that can occur. I haven’t seen an abortion, but I know rachischisis or trisomy 13 are pretty darn horrible too. 30-50 percent of conceptions ending in miscarriage makes it hard for me to accept it as the beginning of full, independent God-ordained human life.
5) Post abortion syndrome. I absolutely think that women should receive psychological care, emotional support, and love before, during and after an abortion. The decision to abort should come after spiritual, emotional consideration, when other options are offered and refused. It grieves me if they later experience profound grief, regret, and remorse over their experience. We should do all we can to care for them as people. But, that doesn’t address the whole question of where it comes from. So, emotions aside – Is this innate or aquired, and can we decide? My opinion is that guilt by hatefilled anti-abortionists that you are going to hell if you don’t feel really bad for it produces some of it. For some reputable sources-
American Psychological Association – unable to detect any long term Post abortion syndrome.
Journal of the American Medical Association – describes PAS as a rare phenomenon.
No offense, if I trust them over unabashedly biased sites like this.
Well, Jerry, I am sure this is all just more of my thickness. At the moment I sort of wish I were a pagan, then I wouldn’t have to pray for my enemies who want to turn Christianity into a big stick to beat other people with or make laws instead of acting in accordance with their teachings.
i am currently reading this book and find it to be an excellent source of undeniable and profound truth regarding the issue of modern child sacrifice. i would urge anyone who thinks they understand this issue to get a copy and read it.
but it won’t do you any good if you have a tendency to read your Bible upside and backwards.
speaking of which, in response to the proabortion lies of allie, who claims to know the Lord, but holds views that are totally foreign to the Author of life:
allie
i do agree that you seem to have a propensity for thick-headedness. but that is a small thing compared to your Biblical illiteracy and ignorance, which is appalling.
as i’ve stated previously, the prolife case can be made easily without any reference to religion, the Bible, or even anything philosophical in nature. all you need is basic biology, which in your rush to try and typecast me as a religious zealot, you overlooked my challenge to you to study same. you can claim that you have, but if you had, you would not hold such ignorant and totally unfactual views on the sanctity of human life. the fact that a baby is miscarried doesn’t mitigate against that child being made in the image of God. what an foolish attempt to try and cloud the issue of baby killing. more proabortion blindness on display, courtesy of allie.
the bottom line is, allie, your god is not my God. i worship the God of scripture, represented in the three Persons of the Holy Trinity. and the Bible is unabashedly, thoroughly, and unambiguously prolife. only an idiot would try and make the opposite case, or even a
‘gray area’ case, like you’ve tried to do. in reading the Bible allie, you have not been given the spiritual eyes to understand it. that only comes with born-again status, and good spiritual teaching from people who know more than you. obviously, you’ve attempted to study God’s word with you as your own Bible scholar, and you’ve ended up thoroughly confused. your viewpoints are distorted and not based on basic Bible truths.
if you wanted to take a college course on some subject, would you consider yourself as educated in that field simply because you purchased the textbook and read it? something tells me you would.
again, allie you don’t know the Saviour, but i hope you make His acquaintance someday soon.
I won’t even pretend to know much about this issue I just had one or two points to put out there. First of all Jesus hates no man and nothing. To think otherwise is pure blasphamy (thus all who think so shall never see the light of god). Secondly God knew what he was doing when we were created with free choice, to deny any man (or woman) that free choice is to deny them God. Life is never created and never extinguished. It exsists as does God, and to say that a life is ended is to say that God is ended. The living of life is not black and white as some of you Christian fundamentalists seem to think, it comes in many shades of gray, and situation arise where some are brought to the light by what you deem as evil. If you think that salvaton can be brought to anyone by a means other than peace and love then you have placed your faith in the wrong man. Jesus was a wonderful being and tried to teach the ways of the lord, but there are those few of you who still do not understand. War to avert war is a situation that arises from fear. Who are you trying to save, a newborn, an unbeliever, or yourselves? Is it you who has commited some terrible wrong and now feel that your way to heaven can be “bought” by bringing others to “salvation.” You are the unfaithful. You are the ones who exiled us from the Garden of Eden, and you are the ones who cause all our worldly woes by harboring Satan in your hearts so that you may project him onto those you see fit to.
ben
you sure packed a lot of deception and falsehoods into one post.
the one thing you got right is your opening statement “won’t even pretend to know much about this issue”. on that, we can all agree.
but you should’ve stopped there, because the rest is so much excrement. Jesus, who is not a wonderful teacher, but God incarnate, DOES hate sin. and the blasphemy comes in when people like you try to claim that sin is not sin. secondly, you say “God knew what he was doing when we were created….” and that is a true statement. but you go on to distort it with your own twisted bizarre interpretation of “free choice”. the key is “God created”, and He creates every person from conception. that is His handiwork, and to destroy it is a great sin. only a fool would say otherwise. to say that no one dies is just the heighth of ignorance. the Bible clearly teaches that ‘it is appointed once to a man to die, and after that, the judgement’. sounds like the Creator of all things has a better handle on this life/death thing than ol’ ben does. i think i’ll trust His word, rather than your perverse kook theories.
the rest of your post is such baloney that it doesn’t warrant or deserve any reply. it’s just plain dumb.
i urge you to actually get a Bible and start reading it instead of trying to invent a god you think you can live with.
Jerry,
The tone of your posts is harsh. Perhaps you would serve God’s Kingdom better by making your points without being so offensive. It’s one thing if the truth we proclaim offends, quite another if our demeanor does the offending. Remember, a soft answer turns away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger.
sam
thanks for the advice. my view on that is as follows:
it is true that the bible teaches ‘a soft answer turneth away wrath’. i think that applies when someone is very angry with you, and a soft answer in that situation will tend to diffuse their anger.
but i don’t think it applies here. because the post i responded to wasn’t an angry one. it was just so much nonsense. one proverb says ‘answer a fool according to his folly’ and i think i did that.
beyond that, however, God Himself is harsh many places in scripture, either as He speaks to His children or in the words that He inspired the prophets to speak or write down. many of those same prophets were killed, thrown in prison, etc…., and it was primarily because their words were ‘harsh’, and people didn’t want to hear that. they preferred a ‘whitewash’ approach, which was the false prophet method. isaiah talked about prophets who prophesied ‘peace’ when there was no peace.
another proverb says ‘open rebuke is better than secret love’. and paul repeatedly told timothy and others to ‘rebuke your hearers’.
furthermore, anytime someone is caught up in a lie, the truth will seem harsh, no matter how you word it.
henry david thoreau said ’severe truth is always expressed with some bitterness’.
if i’m wrong, and someone harshly confronts me, when it’s all said and done, if i’m honest with myself, i’ll realize that although the confrontation was harsh, the truth WAS spoken. and the responsibility is on me to do something about it.
appreciate your comments.
sam
let me also add that ‘ben’ said some extremely harsh things in his post, such as accusing conservative Christians of having “satan in our hearts”, which is blasphemous. Jesus told us that the unforgivable sin was to call the works of God, the works of satan. perhaps you should direct your remarks to ‘ben’, since his remarks were far more outrageous than mine, any day of the week. he actually tried to say that ‘life is never extinguished’ – or in other words, people don’t die.
that is such a ludicrous statement that it begs a harsh answer, in my view.
Hi,
I hope all your efforts helps the cause, I live in a big city,
in 1986 I called a clinic, to see how to get a pregnacy test, they told me, I just casually asked how a abortion is done, and how to do a appt.
just out of curiosity, not that I was wanting one,
I just wanted information, I had no plans to go.
I was told they put this object in you,
and turn the machine on,
and the ‘contents of the uterus, are removed.’
they called my miracle baby, RAchel
contents.
She is alive today because I didn’t fall for that mess,
and I am proud she is.
She will be 19 in January.
Had I gone to that place
and let them achieve their goal,
she woudln’t have had a life at all,
Everyone deserves a birthday,
I’m proud to be Rachel’s mom,
and I hope even if someone is preg and not
really planned it,
that they will go full term
and choose adoption,
Its not easy to do that either, but at leat then,
your baby is alive.
cathi
CathyBie, I feel sorry for you. “let them achieve their goal?” You called them, remember? It must be so hard to walk around with only other people’s thoughts in your mind. If you engage your brain and think for yourself for a few minutes a day, you might discover that you aren’t so simple after all!
If Christians are not to witness to the horrors of abortions in front of an abortion mill, then I guess we should call back all Christian missionaries, and others who place their bodies in places where they may rejected. Why only are pro-lifers to remain silent?
If abortion is truly the killing of innocent life, then how can any Christian remain silent about this. We need to start acting like we believe it is wrong. I have a feeling that some Christians feel very comfortable with Tiller and his ilk applying their abortion trade in the same city. They are no different than the Christians who felt comfortable with the slave trade in the mid 19th century. If the murder of innocent young life doesn’t rile your Christian heart, then what would?
God Bless you Operation Rescue for what you are doing. God Bless you!!! I just finished the book “Their Blood Cries out” earlier today and I am outraged how ignorant, selfish and lazy we so called Christians have become. The Lord rebuke anyone who would speak or come against Any Pro-Life worker. I am tired of the apostasy of pacifism. Did Jesus Stand then twiddling his thumbs doing nothing??? If you think so, open your eyes, shut your lips, open your ears and read the Scriptures. God have mercy on this Nation!!! Lets start punishing the Murders, Pedophiless and rapists of the world and letting the innocent live!!!!!
Am I you enemy has touched me in so many ways but primarily, the truth it spits in the face of life not death or killing. I have been a nurse for many years and am pro life and always will be.
Take Care and love the blog,
Pat
http://primolnc.com
Thanks for posting these messages and trying to reach out to a spiritually sick and perverted world. I have seven children of my own and it is one of the most wonderful blessings. For those who try to justify abortion, please look at what is going on along the Gulf Coast. This is not just a freak of nature, but an admonition to our country which should know better than to justify such a horrible act of child sacrifice in our modern day. “Nothing is new under the sun”, as Solomon indicates, only done in a different fashion. If we do not stop this act of lawful murder these punishments from the Almighty will only worsen in severity. Sexual immorality must cease as well and if done so many of these abortions would not be sought. We are being judged and His judgements are always just and true. Yahweh has put up with this horrible sin for over thirty years and it is time to put an end to it. Now is also the time for our President to stand up and declare that abortion is nothing but legalized murder and to close every abortion clinic on U.S. soil effective immediately. He must not allow politics to get in the way of declaring these things to the U.S. and to the world. He to is being judged and now is the time to speak out and take action. Sodomy laws must be put into effect as well as most states have now chosen not to enact them. Our nation has been a blessed one, yet we have abused this God given freedom in order to fulfill our hedonistic desires. It must end or the U.S. as we know it will come to an end. It does not matter how much good we perform around the world, these acts of kindness do not cover our national sins. We will fail miserably in Iraq, and our rebuilding of New Orleans will be spent in vain if sin continues to fostered within this country. God will not be mocked and He changeth not, even though many within our nation justify their sin by indicating He love us no matter what. He does love us, but He loathes and despises sin and we will not be spared just as Sodom was not either. We had better heed the warnings and quit blaming Global warming for our environmental disasters. These are clearly punishments from our Wonderful Creator and they will only worsen if change does not occur within the hearts and minds of this nation. That change is of course can only be made through His Son of Glory the Messiah. He is the only way to truth and enlightenment of the FAther, which our nation has unfortunately strayed from. Bless those trying declare His word and may His kingdom come soon. Peace Be with you, Steve
After reading many of the posts on this website, I have been compelled to write. We, as humans have many different “feelings” on the topic of abortion, based on the condition of our own hearts (spiritually). I use to consider myself “pro-choice”. I also considered myself a christian. I always thought that you couldn’t legislate morality. The fact is that we already do. The law says, if you murder someone,(already born) then you must pay the price. Can’t steal or rape without punishment. My heart didn’t change toward abortion until I saw the pictures. I couldn’t believe this type of thing happened in America. Babies aren’t really thrown in the garbage? Are they? Well, to my dismay they are. Thousands are everyday. I truly believe that this issue has been literally “kidnapped” by the women rights movement. What about a fathers right? The fact is, men don’t have rights. If men would stand up for their unborn children and say, “GIVE ME MY CHILD” if you don’t want it. The sad fact is many see abortion as a why out of responsibilty. Tragically there are thousands of men who are hurting and suffering behind their involvment in the deceision to abort. The so called “RIGHT” to abortion is a falsehood. The definition of “Right” in the dictionary is as follows: That which is proven to be legally and MORALLY correct. We know it is legal, but we all know, no matter if you are religious or not, it is definately not moral.
Some of these views are so absolutely regressive and narrow-minded, I can barely stand it.
Let’s talk about the life of a woman and her right to control over her own body. To ban abortion is to enslave the woman, relegating her to the role of a reproductive vessel who is forced into motherhood. Motherhood and childbirth are choices, not obligations. Woman is worth more than her uterus. If she chooses to embrace and express her natural sexuality, that is her right to do so.
What about the white slaveholders who impregnated their slaves and then valued the fetus (a potential laborhand) over the woman? Did you know that the masters would whip the pregnant woman, but make sure to protect the belly? Why does nobody care about the woman’s quality of life, about her decisions and her wants and needs? This isn’t about the life of a child, this is about controlling women by any means necessary and maintaining a male hierarchy.
You are criminalizing sex, you are criminalizing sexually active women. You are withholding female autonomy and building up a patriarchy.
It is nobody’s right to tell a woman when to have a child or when not to have a child.
To take away a woman’s choice in ANY matter is oppressive and sexist, a giant step backwards. Stop demonizing women.
Tangerine,
You probably won’t read this, but if you do, you’re wrong, wrong, wrong:
“Let’s talk about the life of a woman and her right to control over her own body.”
–No one should have unfettered right to kill others. When they say abortion is between a woman & her doctor, they’re forgetting someone: The baby.
“To ban abortion is to enslave the woman, relegating her to the role of a reproductive vessel who is forced into motherhood.”
–Wrong. This is a soundbtye from the pro-abort crowd.
“Motherhood and childbirth are choices, not obligations.”
–Most women who are pregnant got they way by choice. Be pro-choice before you exercise the choice to get pregnant.
“Woman is worth more than her uterus. If she chooses to embrace and express her natural sexuality, that is her right to do so.”
–With rights come responsibilities. Don’t make a life then run from your responsibilities.
“What about the white slaveholders who impregnated their slaves and then valued the fetus (a potential laborhand) over the woman? Did you know that the masters would whip the pregnant woman, but make sure to protect the belly?”
–Ridiculous, and irrelevant even if true.
“Why does nobody care about the woman’s quality of life, about her decisions and her wants and needs?”
–Operation Rescue cares. Her wants? What wants? To be able to support a child? OR helps there. If OR doesn;t offer to pay your mortgage off in full, that doesn’t mean no one cares. But the key word is “responsibility.”
“This isn’t about the life of a child, this is about controlling women by any means necessary and maintaining a male hierarchy.”
–Here we go again. No one on the OR side wants to control women. The fact is, thought, there ought to be some controls on people’s conduct, which is why drunk driving and injecting oneself with heroin is illegal.
“It is nobody’s right to tell a woman when to have a child or when not to have a child.
To take away a woman’s choice in ANY matter is oppressive and sexist, a giant step backwards. Stop demonizing women.”
–Oddly, the feminist movement has probably done more damage to women’s rights than any other movement in recent history. The feminst movement has told women essentially to a) have sex irresponsibily; b) have abortions on demand; c) have no responsibiltities, and d) hate men and the ‘patriarchy’ you condemn. Worse, it has condemned mothers, stay-at-home moms, etc., as unproductive and useless. You’ll find muich more blind unwavering hatred coming from that camp than you ever will from OR or other prolife causes.
While I appreciate that you took the time to respond to my argument, I must say that your retorts are rather weak and skeletal.
Thanks, though.
To MiKE, MELINDA and any other person concerned about their child viewing graphic materials and OR Truth Trucks,
I find it very stunning how people such as yourselves think that you are “protecting” your children by shielding them from the truth. Your concerns are in the wrong place entirely. Rather than worrying about the content on the Truth Trucks, why dont you worry about the “content” of the abortion mills??? If you dont give a damn about the cause then why do the images disturb you? It seems that someone who doesnt give a damn would be submissive to the content or the subject.
I am continually baffled by the amount of people who claim to be good parents only protecting thier children, when the same people are not bothered at all that their children are growing up in a world that is KILLING THIER GENERATION! Why dont you people get your prioritys in order? And please, rather than posting off the wall comments on the OR website, do something meaningful with your time, spend it with your children, or better yet, teach your children what the images they saw are and why we need to stop those precious lives from being massacred. Your children are not the only ones having bad dreams of aborted babies. I will continue to dream of the lives lost until the killing stops. Yes, it is graphic but your children deserve to know what goes on in the world they live in. Mabey then they will grow up to change it…but you probably dont want that do you?
Jerry,
You speak Truth when it comes to the issue at hand and the Word of God. It is horrific to imagine that people still choose to tear apart their children for convenience sake. Only if the life of the mother is at stake should it be left up to the mother, father and God. The free will we were given as God’s creation was to love and obey Him or not. Nothing more, nothing less.
However, read this, in my Bible it is titled LOVE:
I Corinthians 13:1-7,13, “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and I have faith that can move mountains, by have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these love.
Have you ever heard the saying, “You get more sugar with honey than with vinegar”?
You can speak a lot of Truth, but without Grace you are just wounding the wounded. The world is hurting and has been lied to. People have to be LOVED into the Kingdom of God. Jesus met me and every believer at their need. Not after slamming them with the hard truth, Read Romans 12. Even while Christ hung on the cross He said to the Father “Forgive them for they know not what they do.” That meant that Jesus asked God to allow Him to carry the sins of the people that persecuted and crucified Him, right then!
Should we as brothers and sisters in Christ show that same LOVE while educating people about the Truth?
Finally, for the children viewing graphic materials, I do not believe they should be subject to the sins of the grownups. There is an age of accountability and an age of appropriateness.
I pray that the Holy Spirit will touch your heart and the hearts of the readers.
God Bless You All
I totally support what you’re doing. These are human beings that are being killed and their story deserves to be told. I was even more interested, though, in an item in your photo gallery– I think it was the Alabama abortion ban. They had a big video or something about a woman who was killed when she got an abortion. They also held signs with names of women who had been killed by abortion. That’s a really good idea for at least two reasons:
1. I once heard a sidewalk counsellor say that women going in for abortions won’t even look at the baby pictures. They’re sick of thinking of the baby, and they’re trying to focus on themselves. If they see something about women’s health, though, they might be surprised into reconsidering.
2. From a strictly pessimistic view, this may be the only way to get through to young people. I’m a young woman myself, and I know what my generation is like. For one reason or another– and I’m making huge generalizations here, but it’s depressingly true– most of us are totally morally bereft. All we care about is our own comfort. So, if you show us babies, we’ll become defensive and claim that a fetus isn’t a person. But if you tell us WE’RE in danger, we might listen. There’ll be time to preach charity later, but in my oppinion, when you’re trying to stop a girl from going into an abortion mill, you just need to concentrate on meeting her where she is.
Where can I get signs like that? Can someone at least mail me a list of those women’s names? I’d love to use those in my work here in Columbus.
–Mary
In regards to Mike (February 18th, 2005 at 3:45 pm) and Melinda (February 11th, 2005 at 10:17 am):
I can’t help but wonder how the two of you would have reacted to your child seeing the Nazi death camps had you been there during the liberation.
“Dr. Deaths” and their abortive clinics kill innocent babies by ripping them piece by piece from their mothers’ wombs and the only people you can blame are the ones exposing their crime? Unbelievable!
Melinda said “Our televison stations chose not to show beheadings of innocent lives tortured by the terrorists in Iraq. They did so to protect innocent children from graphic images.”
Are you sure they didn’t show the beheadings to “protect innocent children”? or for some other reason? For example, do you applaud your television station for not allowing smut, vulgar language, sexual explicity, and graphic violence? No. You can’t. Because that is on prime time television, night and day. Checked out soap operas lately?
As a child, I remember watching the newsreels at the “picture shows”. I saw the death camps and yes, I was horrified. I was only 4 or 5. It did NOT “mess with my mind”. It EDUCATED ME to what evil is. I can assure you, my mother, nor my grandmother, did not call the movie house to tell them how “irresponsible and evil” they were for “exposing me” to the horrors of Nazi Germany. Maybe that’s what’s the matter with the wolrd today. They’re over-sheltered.
I thank God that this organisation exists. Abortion needs to be shut down. There is no excuse for murder. I support the Truth Trucks. I wish they had those up here in Canada. I would’ve asked to ride around the block with them, just to show my support. I continue to pray for their efforts.
I was 8 years old when I first saw a picture of an aborted baby’s head being held over a jar by forceps. It upset me so much I ran to my mother to find out who had killed the baby and why. The picture was an ad placed in a magazine by Human life International.
I am so thankful that I saw that picture! I began at 8 years old to research abortion. Today it is my crusade to end this murderous, sexist operation! Because I learned about the unborn and pregnancy I began to appreciate my feminity and consequently didn’t get involved in sexual activity like my friends. I also didn’t drink and do drugs.
Today I am happily married and two weeks ago I gave birth to a precious little boy. Giving birth has only strengthened my resolve to help end abortion.
to allie who ages ago commented that the unborn are dependent on their mothers and therefore aren’t human lives…a newborn is also dependent on his mother. Do I therefore have the right to kill my infant son? After all he is totally dependent on me to feed him and keep him warm. Your argument smacks of eugenics and HITLER. Also a fetus is alive. If a fetus wasn’t alive he/she couldn’t grow.
I didn’t go to my ob/gyn appointments so the dr. could check the progress of my dead dependent clump of cells. You’re really brainwashed allie. stop reading planned parenthood bumper stickers and really think about the nature of the unborn and abortion. And I hope you never have to depend on anybody for anything or according to your argument they would have the legal right to seek your demise.
How about this heres a choice…If you dont want children and your not ‘ready,dont have sex! Otherwise face up to your responabilities and look into adoption. Tons of people would love to have that beautiful newborn.
TO Allie OH PULEEEEEEEZE!!!!!
Who cares what Rolling Stone magazine says? They aren’t an unbiased source for stories on the pro-life movement. They actually once put a full page ad in a newspaper that tried to encourage people to join the occult. They also said there should be more songs about Satan in that same ad. It’s easy to figure out which side they are on in the abortion issue.
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Jerry you are so clear heading I enjoy reading your post. Short, ( sweet ) so to speak and to the point. The other long winded whiney bags are simply long winded and boreing with arguments that don’t make any sense even if I had the patience to read throught. I really can’t appreciate any argument that tries to persuade me that killing an unborn child is OK.
to the nut who claimed God went with her to kill her child to comfort her in her murderous moment and that the doctor was her only savior. Your SICK! YOur a self deluded brain washed murderer ( mommy dearest )….
I would surmize from your tone, that I gave more heart wrenching thought to putting down my sick dog than you did killing your child now in the arms of God!. It fact it just occurred to me that prehaps God was there after all ,but not to comfort you but to take possession of the very child you were about to torture and kill to get out of your “crises” .
I’m glad children of ALL ages see the Truth Trucks! As soon as a child can ask WHY. The truth can be told and understood and appreciated. It did not hurt little suzzie cue to lose sleep. No she won’t soon forget the images, at least I hope she never forgets.
I began sharing pictures with my children when they were young. They are grown. They survived and they never have an abortion for any reason, nor would they ever suppport anyone doing so.
So quit whining and just face a simple truth – you are a murderer, you support murdering and you can’t stand to be faced with the truth of your actions. If you ever do, then you will lose sleep, you might even repent.
* if your not outragged- your not paying attention *
the Truth will stand when the world is on fire!
PS:
You lovy dovy harmless christians ( i know you have your place ) but it is not here. you help nothing, but hinder those with enough backbone who are trying to save lives and make a difference for the better for women and our world.
Feed the homeless or sing in the choir. Do something useful, but do not interfere with pro life movement. YOu do not have the stomach for it.
too long- I know.
oops ( Jerry you are so clear headed ) meaning your words are consise and full of Godly wisdom. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts with this board.
I agree totally with the Truth trucks. They should be on ever corner and in every church parking lot. All people should have to see ( what we have allowed ) to happen in our world. If you cant’ stomach the images on the trucks and billboards don’t fight the trucks fight the abortion clinic. They are only a picture of the reality of what is going on right under our nose.
I have just spent the last hour reading these post, and I have to kind of laugh at the lady who was so upset that her little one had to see those pictures of truth, abortion kills!! What is she going to do when her little girl gets to be about 9 or 10 and knows more about sex then she ever wanted her to know, by her peers in school, oops better keep her home so she doesn’t get the dirt on the playground. Don’t shelter so much teach the truth about good and evil in this world it is a reality. When my daughter happened to stumble in on a film we were watching about abortion (she was 6), I could of panicked and got all ticked off at the people who were suppose to be babysitting her while at church, but instead I thought well good time to teach and communicate about the evils of this world, she didn’t sleep well that night either and we spent the next two hours talking about it, I explained that sometimes mommies are lied to about their babies inside by their doctors and they make a choice based on their doctor advising abortion, some mommies don’t want children and think it is best to just get rid of them, so I said to her are you happy your mommy chose to give you life, and she said yes and hugged me, I told her we need to be God’s voice and speak out against abortion, but we need to do it God’s way with conviction, when we stood our on the sidewalks holding our signs about abortion killing innocent children she held her sign as high as she could, and now at the age of 20 she is very much so a pro-lifer, my son who is 18 has had debates in high school about how abortion is murder and no person has a right to kill a human being and that would include you women. If you don’t want the possibility of becoming pregnant then DON’T HAVE SEX, stay pure until your are married and in a position to bring a life into this world, don’t get rid of it because you chose to act irresponsible, and please teach your kids about good and evil, they will be a much better person later on in life.
You know, I used to be against the Truth Trucks and even commented negatively when I saw them last week but after doing some thinking, I decided that it’s needed to show what happens with abortion.
So thank you for getting that truth out there. People need to see this.
Remember, people. You can’t be Christian and support abortion!
May God bless you!
There is some argument over whether or not God walks with those committing sins. I personally believe that when God told me He would never leave nor forsake me, He meant it, for all situations unless the committing of the sin against the Holy Spirit, which no one who feels a connection with God could have committed.*
If God is always with me, He does not go away when I sin and wait until I repent to return. He is there, even if I cannot fully experience His grace (and salvation, should I die), until I have turned from my sin and asked humbly for his forgiveness.
I know from past experience I would never be able to abort a child of mine, even in dire circumstances, and I am against the death penalty as well as abortion. But I would never dream of telling a woman who has already had an abortion and is obviously uncomfortable with it that God left her for committing that sin. We all sin. Continually. We all needs God’s grace. And He is there for all of us, whether we forget that giving glory to Him is even more important than posting comments on an online discussion (yes, I’m guilty!) or we cave under pressure and succumb to abortion.
Glory to God and His endless mercy!
*All claims have possible exceptions when regarding the mental state of those Christians implied. Any active delusions, for example, would negate my comment about connection with God. But only God can see what is in a person’s heart; my impression of a person’s relationship with God is worthless.
to Gwen: Of course, I agree that God will never leave a person; what Christians mean when they say that is that his grace will leave. People can voluntarily remove themselves from grace; this is a basic truth of free will.
I also agree that we should not concentrate on heaping blame on women who have had abortions. We have no idea what kind of pressure and confusion they have been under. It is extremely difficult to make an informed descision under such circumstances, so I imagine that most of them have not entirely turned away from grace. They are confused, they are hurt, they are suffering, and they need us to help them, especially with our prayers.
There is a movement starting, there is a rumbling in the spirit, the season of apathy and apostasy is waning.
Who knows if you have not become acquainted with the truth of abortion, the network of prolifers for such a time as this.
Jerry, you must feel so good in your… God must be so proud of you! Think?
Hi guys,
I read some of these posts, but not all of them. It makes me very concerned that we’re squabbling among ourselves. The devil loves to divide Christians. Let’s not insult each other. It happens sometimes -everyone does it. But it will only divide us further. A house divided against itself cannot stand. The topic causes anger because we’re dealing with babies, but let’s not get mad at each other.
I have to say that if there were more compassion for a woman who was raped, she might make a decision to keep the baby. We in the Church need to pray that we show compassion, and not agree with the sin. Many times people will go to the world when the Church does not help them through, and some of them end up turning their backs on God. I think a woman who is raped should be helped by the Church, not left alone to fend for herself in the aftermath of this. As far as I know, most are not. I’ve noticed this myself in other areas of life. There are some who do really care, but mostly, when you are really in need, other Christians don’t want to know you. There are those who do the best they can for everyone, though. I think everyone is here because they want to make a difference for the better, and not for the worse. It’s what God wants.
Remember, we’re on the same side, and our enemy is Satan, not fellow Christians. Can everyone make up?
Amen, Carrie. I agree with everything you said, and I only want to add that it’s not just women who have been raped we have to love. We have to reach out to all women who are facing unwanted pregnancy, even if they engaged in sex voluntarily. I’m a young female college student, and I know the extent of the misinformation on sex and the misery it’s caused. I’ve seen women absolutely crushed by what they’ve done to themselves sexually. We should have nothing but compassion for these women. God doesn’t judge and neither should we.
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Sometimes the truth hurts, but it has to be told, with love. Jesus says, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me”. The way to life is via the truth. Thankyou Operation Rescue for showing us the way.
Why do people who support abortion, the killing of people in the womb, accuse Pro-Life people of violence and “stalking”? 50 million people have been killed by abortion in America since 1973. 5 doctors/support people have been killed during the same time. I don’t support the killing of anyone, but you folks have some twisted ethics.
Peter
If you really want to save human lives you could for example do somthing against death penalty, this is where the focus should be. Because there is a difference between killing a grown up person or a few cells.
Philo, I am totally against the death penalty. I believe it’s a barbaric institution that has no place in a civilized nation. However, the fact is that a handful of of grown men and women, all convicted felons, are killed yearly by the death penalty, while a totally innocent child is killed about twice a minute by abortion. It’s horrible that I have to choose between voting for someone who is against abortion and someone who is against the death penalty. But until an electable candidate is against both, it’s clear that the ethical choice is to support the anti-abortion one.
I believe that everyone who is pro-life is only consistently pro-life if they are against the dealth penalty, but being against the death penalty and for abortion is a hundred times sillier than being for the killing of innocent children and against the killing of convicted felons.
Also, you and I are both “a few cells.” We’re all made of cells. From fertilization until death, even death 100 years later, the only thing added to the fertilized egg is nutrients. Conception is the only non-arbitrary place to designate the beginning of life. That’s just science.
Sorry– I want to correct a typo. It should have read, “being for abortion and against the death penality is a hundred times sillier than being AGAINST the killing of innocent children and FOR the killing of convicted felons.
It is NOT possible to be pro-abortion
and still say your a christian, To truly
follow Jesus (aka be a christian) you
can NOT support in any fashion of the
shedding of innocent blood.
Dear America the Blood is on your hands, Hey Church your just as guilty.
3 Lies:
1 Abortion is good for Women
2 Its not a baby
3 its not our fault if we dont support it (have, pay for, suggest)
Truth be know it is a baby (a innocent life), Operation Outcry has thousands of statements from women how it hurt them. Lastly the bible describes bloodguilt and how innocent blood crys out. Imagen the sound of 50 million babies crying, thats what God hears.
Thanks Troy your book was well biblically founded, i wish churches in America were more so.
ROdger
Death penalty vs. Abortion
the bible says
if a man sheds the blood of another man (*innocent), then by man shall his ( the murder) blood be shed. Felons are not innocent.
*innocent- you’re innocent if you haven’t shed blood of a man
The babies are innocent!
**so according to bible the abortion doctors should get the death penalty.
My problem with the death penalty is the appeals that cost tax payers money to see a man try to dodge is just punishment.
Thank you
ROdger
Rodger, the Gospels are very clearly against the death penalty (John 8:1-11). Killing a killer was required at certain times in history to keep him from killing again; now, with the security in modern prisons, the death penalty is outmoded and clearly wrong.
Everyone deserves to live. Justified as our anger is, we can’t desire death for anyone, even abortionists. Only God is the just judge of who should live or die; judging others is not our business (Luke 6:37).
Mind you, I agree that abortion is a more pressing issue than the death penality. First of all, there are far more victims of abortion than of the death penalty. Secondly, the victims of abortion are innocent. Abortion is an abomination and must be stopped.
I dont think any good christian should judge others with negativity no matter what their beleifs. God loves all his children so why can’t you as a child of Gods learn to love your brothers and sisters. God gave us the gift to make our own choices and decisions. God would not dare persecute anyone no matter what their sins are, including abortion. I myself am still very young and yet i learn to see through innocent eyes. some of you call yourselves true christians but i know that the people who god chose to be his followers would not discriminate against people who are different from themselves. i hope you all read this and stop and think about how you would like to be treated in a situation like abortion before you start a hate war. what if your daughter, sister, or neice got an abortion?- would you still hate them?
Mel, you seem to be saying that saying abortion is wrong, and trying to stop people from having an abortion, is the same as hating and discriminating against a person for choosing abortion. what if my sister, niece, etc., attempted suicide? Of course I would try to stop them. Would I do that because I hated them for making a different choice, as your comment says? On the contrary, I’d be doing it because I love them and want to save them from doing such a horrible thing to themselves. I also want to stop every one of my sisters in the human race from committing the horrible act of abortion because I do love them and I don’t want them to suffer.
I admit that some people respond to abortion by blaming and hating the people involved in this tragedy. These people are judging other human beings, which is wrong. But there’s nothing wrong with judging the morality of an act. Abortion is wrong and it has to be stopped. I’m not judging anyone when I say that.
This just shows me another reason why there’s a heaven and hell. God is JUST and HATES SIN (He states in Numbers 14:18 that He loves but will by NO MEANS let the guilty go unpunished)!!! He won’t tolerate it in the SLIGHTEST and makes it very clear in His Word.
It never says in the Bible that just believeing Christ existed will save you, instead, He says:
“Straight is the gate and NARROW is the way that leads to life & few be that find it!”
(God never says everyone is “ok” and that He loves them and accept them no matter what they do) Romans 2:12 Here’s the reason: Whoever sins without having laws from God will still be condemned to destruction. And whoever has laws from God and sins will still be judged by them.
Romans 8:14 “Those who are LED by the Spirit, THEY are the sons of God”
You see, you can follow your heart (which the Bible says is wicked beyond relief), or you can REPENT and BELIEVE the GOSPEL, which is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ/the POWER of God unto salvation by being Born Again with Christ’s Spirit and then be led by the Holy Ghost who will lead you into all truth (and give you a new heart of righteousness)! The choice is yours, but I GUARANTEE you’ll be deceived and on your way to hell without it….. and the scariest thing is that you’ll think you’re right all the way down to the farthest pit.
Proverbs 14:2 “There is a way that seems right to man, but in the end that path leads to death”
“ABORTION IS MURDER & MURDER IS SIN!”
Murderers who don’t repent and receive true forgiveness through Jesus Christ go to HELL and suffer for thier sins. Please agree you have sinned (even if you just support abortion) and receive forgiveness before He stops calling you to repentance! God says: “Being called to repentance is a gift of God”- “For my Spirit will not always strive with man.”
1. not all people who are executed are also guilty. you can never know for sure if a person is innocent or not.
2. a preborn baby cannot feel pain like a grown up person because it doesnt know what fear is and in addition it is not yet a part of a social network …
i think that people who want other people to die, wheter they are “sinners” or not, are no good christs.
one of the main differences between pro livers and me (pro choice) is, that you believe that a fetus is a real person and i believe that you cant put a fetus on a level with a grown up.
and:
abortion is a bad thing but it is reality that it will never end, wheter it is legal or not. so help to save women’s lives by keeping it legal!
peace
Thank you Troy for all the great work you are doing.
I first met Troy Newman at the American Life League convention in Tampa, FL. in 1997 or 1998 I was the head of security for the event. What impressed me the most was his having no problem being shoved to the very end of the vendor area (a remote area) because he had pictures of what an abortion looked like. Also, he went out of his way to find the local abortion clinics in Tampa, so he could spend Saturday morning helping rescue unborn babies. That showed me the heart of the man we know as Troy Newman.
Troy did not have a problem when myself and Josiah (a former Lamb of Christ) took one his 4X5′ abortion pics, and plastered it by the only escalator leading to the 2nd floor (for another event) of the convention center. The line was backed up out the door, and literally thousands of people from the Tampa Bay area got an up-close and personal look at what abortion is. Joe Schieldler was there, and gave a nodding approval at what we had done.
Reactions ranged from tears to disgust to anger. It remained in place for two hours, until the head of security for the convention ripped it down. Though Troy’s poster was destroyed, he did not care, as people got an up close look at what abortion is. That is the manner of the man I know as Troy Newman.
God bless you my brother.
Steve Wetzel
mttu.com
Philo – What the heck does being in a social network have to do with feeling pain? And if you would try doing research, many women DIE from abortion or are seriously injured, even left as vegetables – so tell me again how keeping abortion legal saves lives? Also, if you do a tad more research after that, you will also notice the faces on those tiny CHILDREN who have been murdered by abortion – pretty sure they show suffering and pain, not thankfulness for ending their LIFE. Well-educated people read books, try reading the most famous one…
“peace”
~Amanda
This country once decided that some people weren’t human by the color of their skin(slaves), now we decide based on their physical location(in the womb)-how far have we really come? A child is not the “property” of the mother to dispose of as she sees fit, any more than a slave was the “property” of the slave holder.
What ever happened to the wisdom of King Solomon who thought an authentic mother would rather give up her child than kill it?I guess the good king was a trifle too optimistic, and obviously not as astute as some of your bloggers. Remember,the coin has Caeser`s image;but the child is made in the im age of God. It is a blasphemy to assert that a child can be properly rendered to Caeser,that a child can be disposed of at Caeser`s whim. To do so deifies the state. To paraphrase the wqrds of Chilean Nobel Prize winning poet Gabrielle Mistral: We are guilty of many faults & many errors, But our greatest crime is abandoning the children. Many things we need can wait, The unborn child cannot! Now is the time his bones are being formed, His blood is being made & his senses are being developed. Now is the time he is being unjustly put to death! To him we cannot answer “Tomorrow”……..His name is “Today”!
The ones that want to go on killing babies and do not want to see the pictures that show the truth (blaming Christians for showing what goes on behind closed doors) What about what your children are being told in school about abortion and what about your children being allowed to get an abortion without their parents knowing anything about it? And what about when the child has complications and is taken to the hospital. Isn’t it funny how the parents are notified then? Why doesn’t the abortion clinic pay the hospital bill since it is their fault and they took responsibiity for the child? But you just want to attack people who care about life. Yes babies are alive. If it’s all so OK then why aren’t the abortion clinics called by what they are? No they are called Family this or that. Parent this or that. When they have nothing to do with family except to be tearing it down. Yes, killing a baby is killing a child which could be part of a FAMILY. But you want to argue over the truth and because Followers of Jesus tell the truth you hate us. They killed our Lord too for telling the truth. Yes, He was not a mamby pampy person. He overthrew the tables in the temple when they were using the House of God for making money. God is not pleased. And if you will notice our country has gone down hill since abortions have become legal. More children are pregnant, more violence crimes (even among youth) are taking place, more teenage suicides, more drugs. Come on when is this nation going to go back to some morality? God is judging us for the blood of 50 million babies cries out. Wake up America!!!! What will it take more terrorism? God have mercy on America.
I plead your blood over my sins and the sins of my nation. God end abortion and send revival to America!
Thanks for exposing the TRUTH OR! I will be showing my children abortion pictures-viedos from a very early age. No fluff & spin, just the truth of abortion. They will also accompany me in front of the clinics, to pray & fast for the ending of abortion.
I’m sorry, but seriously, when I saw images of the “Truth Trucks”, I was appalled. To think that CHILDREN are seeing these images! I sincerely hope that your organization is using discretion as often as possible to avoid disturbing youth. PLEASE.
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I have never read the Operation Rescue site before, and I have to say as a Christian, a mother and a counselor for many experiencing post-abortion pain I am appalled. The lack of respect, name calling (i.e. “you schizophrenic”) and disturbing assumptions about the faith of detractors is overwhelming. If a young woman, seeking information about not aborting, were to read these wholly unchrist like and very public comments she might turn away from OR when she needs them most. Remember “Be WISE in the way you act towards outsiders, let you conversation be filled with GRACE and seasoned, (not overflowing) with salt.” And as a mother I have say I don’t want my 3 and 5 year old exposed to post abortion pictures, developmentally they aren’t ready to handle it, that is why the scriptures talk about time when we are ready for “milk” and “meat,” be careful not in your forceful exposure of subjects the recievers aren’t mature enough to hear that you aren’t recruiting for the other side.
I have to say being a women who had 3 abortions back in the 80’s I have come to understand the need for these photo’s. I was 20 with my 1st one and was told it was a blob of tissue by the abortion clinic staff. Then figured I was on the way to hell so ended up living a really self mutalating lifestyle of sex,booze and whatever self loathing things I could find and had two more abortions. I think O.R. is serving a great purpose to save young women from the hell that abortion bring to all who are part of it! I am healing now and thank O.R. for going out there and God Bless Troy!