[Here are a few short reports from Southern California where one of our Truth Trucks is being wonderfully used to the glory of God and conviction of the public. Many thanks to Bob Ferguson, Jason Storms, and others who are doing an awesome job standing for the babies down in the Southland! —OR Staff]
Biola University
Jason Storms drove the Truth Truck to Biola University last month to attend a class he was auditing. Campus Security allowed him to park in the Bookstore parking lot, a central location on campus. (Keep in mind that “Biola” is an acronym for “Bible Institute of Los Angeles” and is a training ground for many future pastors.)
When Jason returned to the Truth Truck two hours later, there were two notes from women left of the windshield, upset about the images of aborted babies largely displayed on the panels. As he drove through the campus on his way out, several male students come out of the dorms to confront him. Soon a large crowd had gathered and Jason got out of the Truth Truck to reason with them. It seemed that these “future pastors” could not understand the necessity to “disturb” folks with the images of the broken bodies of aborted babies. Although he had a great opportunity to discuss abortion with these “Christian” men, he received NO positive response from them.
“Please take the scales from their eyes, that they may see, Lord!”
Four Babies Saved at LA Abortion Mill!
The Truth Truck helped save four babies from abortion in one day at the Family Planning Associates at 6th and Westmoreland in Los Angeles. This is the location of the infamously brutal 1989 Holy Week Rescues where hundreds were arrested in the rain as they literally laid their lives down for their pre-born neighbors and suffered physical brutality at the hands of police and pro-aborts because of it.
Truth Trucks Visit Other Abortion Mills
The Truth Truck has made the rounds of many Southern California abortion mills, including the FPA mills in Rosemead and Newport, and the Planned Parenthood mill in Whittier. The Truth Truck was a great encouragement to the pro-lifers who regularly sidewalk counsel and witness at these death camps.
University of California Fullerton
The Truth Truck visited the campus of UC Fullerton and caused quite a stir among the students there, sparking debate, and sometimes angry outbursts. “Many hypocritically think it is wrong to show the horrific results of abortion, yet are the first to defend the heinous act,” said one pro-lifer.
Exposing the ACLU
The Truth Truck attended the grand opening of the newest ACLU office in Los Angeles. The ACLU is a liberal organization that is responsible for much anti-Christian persecution and abortion promotion.
Planned Parenthood Fundraiser
The Truth Truck confronted Planned Parenthood supporters as they gathered in Orange County for a fundraiser for the world’s largest abortion organization. Party-goers had to face the grisly Truth behind their euphemisms for child-killing. We pray hearts were touched and brought to repentance by this powerful witness.
Knott’s “Scarry” Farm
The Truth Truck was on hand Halloween weekend to expose the truth about abortion as Knott’s Berry Farm held it’s annual “demon-fest.” Street preachers witnessed to party-goers dressed as witches and demons about the grace and mercy of God that can free them from sin and judgment.
Tuna Truck?
The Truth Truck was used to transport 3 ½ pallets of donated restaurant-grade tuna from Vernon, CA to Orange County for use by Pastor Wiley Drake’s outreach to the homeless in Buena Park, CA. The tuna will provide thousands of meals for the needy.
people can display dead babies pictures and people can object to the display. currently i don’t go around displaying dead husband pictures. maybe i should, then this emphasis on the dead might end and we could concentrate on saving the living babies.
Is there an epidemic of dead husbands in this land?
i think the point of showing the dead babies is to save the living babies. what’s your point? your comment about dead husbands might be relevant if husbands were being slaughtered like the babies are. but they’re not, so it isn’t.
the Bible says to rescue those that are unjustly sentenced to death. while showing dead baby pictures millions of living babies have been slaughtered. i think it is time to realize we need to enter the altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them. that if proven successful at saving the innocent scheduled to die. standing outside with dead baby pictures for awhile ensures babies will die inside. why do people think it is God’s will to stand there with the dead baby and then leave without getting rid of the altar of child sacrifice? the time to memorialize is after all the babies are rescued. my husband was memorialized after death by natural causes. and the Bible says for the nation not obeying God an epidemic of death occurs.
TJM
I’m glad to see that the reader recognizes the straw man argument found in displaying dead husbands.
Perhaps the point being made by tobra is that possibly these rebellious feminist women wish to make husbands a target group for death too. Probably just a Fruedian slip on her part….. ;-)
showing pictures of the dead is not a good way to stop the living from being killed is the point.
Tobra,
There have been many a good person who has gone inside these “altars of child sacrifice” and stopped some abortions. I am not against such means. However THAT is not the point.
When utilized, that one tactic you suggest has not stopped all abortions any more than any other tactic including showing graphic pictures. The point is that showing the dead baby pictures is successful in stopping some abortions.
Some may be equipped and perhaps even called to carry out the suggested tactic you made. Others may not be either equipped or called.
They may be able to show the graphic pictures and have them save lives though.
I know of many times when I have used dead baby photos and this has resulted in a saved life.
One such time was when a warehouseman showed me a picture of his young daughter who was saved when he saw one of these graphic abortion photos in the back of my work truck when I went to pick up granite at a supplier.
I never even spoke to the man. He saw the photo the same week that he was to take his girlfriend for the schuled abortion- instead he went home and told his girlfriend about what he had seen- they decided against death.
Why must it be one or the other? There are many fronts in a war. Many different tactics are employed. A good warrior will utilize all justifiable tactics in which he is equipied for- that save some lives- in doing so- he fullfills his individual obligation to the verse ion Proverbs that you provided.
Now then, I have both shown the graphics and entered abortuaries and rescued those unjustly sentanced to death utilizing both of these tactics- as well as numberous other tactics….
I am just wondering- have you done either in an attempt to rescue those unjustly sentanced to death or are you just bitchin’?
If not- unless you are ill equipped- and unable to be equipped- one might say that it’s a bit hypocritical to tell others what to do and not to do and not be willing to apply this to yourself, yes? Most anyone can hold a graphic sign.
I bring along an old retired man with me each week to the abortuary- he can no longer drive and walks with help- he sits most of the time- but even he can still save a life with the graphics-
With God’s grace- he saved a preborn child just a few weeks ago at 6th and Westomoreland- one of those reported in the article above.
robert,i replied to you and am satisfied with my response, please contact ORW if you wish to read it. and one of the estimates for the number of moms comtemplating abortion that i took away was several hundred.
Tobra which of the two tactics mention by you did you employ to accomplish this great task?
Was it done by:
“entering the altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them”?
Or by:
“displaying dead husband pictures”?
Which do you think would be more successful for those who are “concentrate[d] on saving the living babies”?
The point that has been made by me and others is that showing dead pictures saves lives of babies. So does the other action that you suggested.
BOTH are proven tactics to stop some abortions. BOTH are legitimate tactics in saving lives.
Probably you saved an estimated hundred children from slaughter doing something other than these two tactics.
No one has criticized your tactics- no reason for you bear a false assumptive witness against those who display dead baby photos – insinuating we are not “concentrate[d] on saving the living babies”. We are! Duhhh! That’s why we do it!
Tobra claims:
“showing pictures of the dead is not a good way to stop the living from being killed is the point.”
No. The point is that this tactic has worked GOOD to save thousands upon thousands nation wide.
Scripture addresses your false claims better than I can:
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness….
Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!” Isaiah 5:20-21
From the Abortion Gallery Mail Bag:
http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/index.html
My name is ****
I viewed your site today and I cant explain how I now feel after having five abortions. Let me please say that I was in a very abusive relationship and became pregnant five times, young, afraid and being beat up and dragged to the abortion clinic. I never told anyone that it was something that I didn’t want to do. They asked me time and time again if I was sure I wanted to do this and I said ”Yes” knowing in the inside I was screaming, “No please help me.” Family Planning and Associates is the place I went to all five times in La Mesa, California, and seeing that on your sight I am wondering are my babies in any of those pictures.
I believe *****if they would show you pictures of what you are allowing them to do to the baby that you are carrying many people would not go through with it.****
Now at twenty three years old, I am unable to become pregnant having two ectopic pregnancies after all five abortions because I have a lot of scar tissue from the procedures. I wish when I was 15yrs old to the age of 19yrs old I never had those abortions. What have I done I know god can not forgive something like that and I know I will never have a baby. I could have children that range from 7 yrs old down to 4 yrs old. Your site opened my eyes to what I really did.
http://www.mttu.com/main.htm
Tobra says: “showing pictures of the dead is not a good way to stop the living from being killed is the point.”.
Tobra, those who have actual experience in the use of these photos disagree with you emphatically. I am one of those people. I’ve seen people stare at them in stunned silence, and move from being apathetic about abortion to dead set against it. And there are many personal testimonies to this very phenomonon on this website, in the form of feedback: http://www.abortionno.com/AbortionNO/web_response.html
Such graphic photos have been used throughout history for the purpose of opening people’s eyes to a travesty such as abortion. And they work.
In response to Tobra’s claim: “showing pictures of the dead is not a good way to stop the living from being killed”
Doyle documents “there are many personal testimonies to this very phenomonon on this website”
One such tesitimony from the website:
“My mom wanted to abort my little brother so I showed her your website and that changed her mind all of the way thanks sooooooooooo much, yall helped me save my little brother, again thanks so much I know I could never repay yall for this but I know all I can say is thaaaaaaaaaaanks.”
Age: 20
Sex: Female
Hometown: San Antonio, TX
Date: February 7, 2005
That IS phenomenal !
Something derived through the senses…
Hmmmm. I guess that proves that seeing is believing and a picture is worth a thousand words.
Thanks for bring more of the truth for the reader.
the abortion clinic workers have saved babies. i have talked to women who were talked out of having an abortion by the killers themselves. our signs are like that. yes, babies are spared, but the millions are killed. remember the jewish holocaust, some jews were saved. and millions could have been if the camps have been bombed, and/or the gaurds killed. we Christians condemn the germans for allowing the holocaust. that is what i am attempting to say, granted i may not be doing an expert job. but i see paralells between the Christians of america who stand idly by with signs while the majority of babies are slaughtered and the Christians of nazi germany who saved a few Jews, but let the majority perish.
Tobra says: “the abortion clinic workers have saved babies. i have talked to women who were talked out of having an abortion by the killers themselves.”
Sure- in the Bible- God used an ass to speak- that does not mean that we should look to every [proabort] ass for pearls of wisdom.
Tobra claims:
“our signs are like that.”
No they’re not. God looks at the heart while man looks at the outside. Prolifers and antiabortionists’ actions are meant to save lives. And they are. Baby killers are just that- there to kill babies. Let’s not be so blind as to not see the differences of intent.
Tobra bears false witness:
“but i see paralells between the Christians of america who stand idly by with signs ”
Those with signs are not standing idly by-
we are saving babies lives. This is indisputable. You have even admitted to this. Repent now and stop breaking the 9th commandment.
Tobra claims:
“we Christians condemn the germans for allowing the holocaust.”
Only God can condemn Tobra.
“We Christians” are supposed to attempt to judge righteously those who opposed the killings- many who were jailed and lost their lives [similar American symbol is Paul Hill]; those who opposed and saved lives by less drastic means such as hiding Jews, feeding housing caring for Jews, others provided funds and support for those who saved Jews, and those Germans who actually did nothing and worse- were accomplices to the Nazis.
I ask that you BEGIN to do the same with Americans who hold graphic signs and save lives. Stop the ‘condemnation’ of their actions against the slaughter.
Tobra states:
“remember the jewish holocaust, some jews were saved. and millions could have been if the camps have been bombed, and/or the gaurds killed.”
So the question is….
Why then are you not adhering to your own advice by “enter[ing] the altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them”?
I have not heard of anyone entering abortuaries in some time.
Now don’t get me wrong…. I have no problem with such tactics and believe they save lives. I am just wondering-
these tactics save lives too and the added benefit is that we get to save more lives the next day and next day and next….
Sure Tobra- there has been no discounting proof has ever provided nor do I believe that it can be proven that it is not justifiable to act in the manner that you suggested-
Like you- I believe it is an overall scripture teaching that whatever force is legitimate in defense of a born child is also legitimate in defense of a preborn child.
I am just seeking why you think this scriptural teaching is a mandate.
Scripture teaches that we are one body with many members. To me- “enter[ing] the altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them” is a specific calling for specific people. You might be one [??]- however you have not shown yourself to be doing as you state. I may be one- [??] however God has not revealed such to me recently so am doing as I believe I am called to do- with large graphic signs and other means of intervention.
off topic:
I would think God would use a much smaller man that myself that slides under the radar- and who might not be ID ed by his girth by enemy proaborts and government BATF/FBI operatives and who might live free to close more than just one killing center? perhaps someone SIMILAR TO Grandma Shelly or medium hieght medium weight Joshua [without the piercings that made him stand out] or even one with no previous arrests in this prolife area for rescue or such?
But …. not saying a “thus sayeth the Lord” here……that’s just my own speculation on the wisdom of your suggested tactic.
again, standing around with signs and having saves is not God’s will. you are standing idly by while the altar of child sacrifice remains. you are leaving the clinic there. you have made some serious accusations against me robert. if they are correct you will need not worry about the Lord’s wrath, if you have made false accusations against me then of couse He will deal with you. the Lord’s Word has women who are accused of sexual sins to come out to be stoned. the point being the unborn child died when the mom was stoned. the Lord wants obedience robert, he could save the babies Himself. He said to get rid of the altars of child sacrifice. He said to rescue those that are unjustly sentenced to death. He did not say to rescue a few of those. whichis what holding signs accomplishes on a good day.
Tobra and Bob,
It may be best to continue your discussion either on the discussion forum or your private e-mail accounts.
Thanks!
good idea ORW and i have no desire for robert to contact me. as i do not appreciate his false public accusations. and am not interested in future discussions with him.
Tobra,
You claim it is not God’s will to show dead babies. Yet you offer no substantial proof of this. Where as we have brought many time biblical teaching where such was justified in scripture.
Cheryl Sullenger has a great article The Use of Graphic Photos of Aborted Children in the Public Forum
http://www.killbabies.com/graphicphotos.html
I ask that you read and study it.
I and others have also documented many saves because of these graphic signs. Thousands. You claim this is not good. What can be said of such a statement?
You have made some other wild and undocumented accusations. Giving some pretty wild advice. But the question still remains
Why then are you not adhering to your own advice by “enter[ing] the altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them”?
OK ORW.
I think the reader can determine between undocumented and unsubstantiated wild accusations and rational statements that are documented with scriptural studies such as Mrs Sullenger’s study just posted and the many documented accounts of lives saved by graphic signs.
It seems that any further discussion would just be dublicating documentation on my part and further ….. (1 Sam.25:22, 25:34; 1 Kg.14:10, 16:11, 21:21; 2 Kg.9:8)……..
well…. something a man is more equiped for.
I have stood behind the dead baby pictures for a lot of years.
Out of the goodness of troy and the boyz heart, I had lone of a truth truck to confront President Bush’s economic summit at the Baylor campus in Waco a few years ago.
One can not ignore the effectiveness of ORW in closing clinics and saving babies.
But I have found the live fiber optic photos 10 times more effective in changing hearts to the side of life, without the side effect of turning people off.
We had another sucessful fair both, at the Heart of Texas Fair, in which we used the live pictures, and fetal development models. Many a mom came to our booth and used it to exsplain the facts of pre-born life to even very young children.
We were almost barred from the fair when we used the dead babies some years ago.
It is important for ORW to show the brutal truth of abortion. But that brutal truth is a million times more effective when folks are exposed to the live pictures.
3d and 4d ultra sound blow this issue plum out of the water.
If God would grant me one wish, it would be everything that calls itself pro-life would arm themselves with the live pictures.
They are very effective around schools, and it don’t turn the admins off.
The thing that really gets me, is that the graphic pictures invoke action like that of Paul Hill, and yet he is condemned by those who stand behind the image that insighted him to act.
I believe Hill was totally justified in stopping a murderer. If it would have been a born child he was protecting, no grand jury in this nation would have indited.
The hipocracy of the pro-life movement, is that they agree with planned parenthood that pre-borns are second class citizens, and do not deserve the same protection as a born child.
As long as this double mindedness exist in pro-life, the Babies will continue to die.
The only chance we have of ending this peacfully is the use of the live pictures.
It educates without insighting violence.
It is my hope that ORW would dedicate at least one truck to the live images.
In the mean time, I fully support the fantastic Work of ORW.
As I have said many times in many places, ORW is the class of national pro-life organizations.
And you absolutly can not knock their success in saving the pre-born.
If you would like a sample of the material discussed, email me a snail mail address.
ric4life@sbcglobal.net
live fiber optic photos?
Do you have a link to these?
Lifeissues.org Go to book store, look for “Windows to the womb” computer CD. !9 images of pre-born life that absolutely shuts the mouth of the pro-aborts every time.
Will send a sample if you e-mail me a snail mail address.
ric4life@sbcglobal.net
using live pictures will end abortion peacefully. i really don’t see how, people choose to sin, no matter how well educated they are about a sin. for instance many people know the effects of fornification, gambling, drugs, alcohol and homosexuality and choose to engage in sinful practices in these areas. same with abortion. actually education about some sins is spreads it. more homo education has brought us more perverts. and the same with sex education. i appreciate your sincere desire to stop abortion, but i do not see live pictures as being a successful method.
I don’t know about that, Tobra. I have seen literally thousands of babies saved and minds changed about abortion using the graphic signs. Would you rather those people were dead? If we had put away the signs, they would be. The pro-aborts hate the signs and work hard to try to stop us from using them. That alone is a testament to their effectiveness.
I firmly believe that because pro-lifers have been showing the graphic signs, America has become increasingly pro-life and the abortion rate has dropped. Maybe showing the images of the broken bodies of abortion victims will not stop every abortion right now, but they are working to change the attitude of our culture so that all abortion can soon be stopped. Until we can restore personhood to the preborn, or see all mills close for lack of business, the signs are doing an important work. If they save even one, it is worth it.
i would perfer Christians be obedient to God’s Word. when people show their pictures, many of them get clinic side before the babies are killed, do their showings, pray, talk, counsel, etc. and then leave while the babies are actually killed. millions of babies are killed, thousands saved is still a great loss. in fact a horrible occurence is happening. Christians are decieving themselves thinking they are doing something against abortion. millions of unborn being killed year in and year out, while the pictures are shown, should make God’s people aware they need to be obedient to Him. get rid of the altars of child sacrifice, He says. don’t stand out beside them and then walk/drive away from them. cowardly Christians do not go to heavan. look in the book of revelations.
Thanks to Rick for the info. yes we use live pictures in conjuction with the dead ones. Prochoice and prolife. I note that you have said that the live pics are 10 times more effective at saving lives. and when used in conjuction with the brutal pics it becomes a million times more effective. I appreciate the zealous opinions and will consider the use of these more extensively.
I further note that you really never claimed that abortion could be ended peacefully. Rather that this was your desire. I share with you this hope. Allthough that seems to be less hopeful the more I read the Word of God and history books on this nation.
Rosie says: “I have seen literally thousands of babies saved and minds changed about abortion using the graphic signs.”
Of course babies are saved by the use of graphic abortion pictures Rosie, you are correct. Literally thousands of them.
Tobra says: “cowardly Christians do not go to heavan. look in the book of revelations.”
It certainly is not cowardly to use graphic abortion pictures. Any insinuation that such is sinful is a falsehood.
I hear reports from Rosie, Doyle, Rick Mrs Sullenger via her report; and countless others of thousands of babies being saved by the use of graphics BOTH dead and alive and several hundreds more by Tobra using unknown methods yet were certainly not ‘entering these altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them’.
Possibly some tactics are more effective in different locations.
Probably there is need for EACH one of these tactics and OTHERS in the battle depending upon scriptural justification, leading of God’s Spirit, placement in the army of God and being properly equipped for each battle front.
I just wonder if those who hold to the belief that it is cowardly to use graphic signs- considers themselves ‘cowardly’ and on their way to hell’s fire and damnation when there is no evidence of any abortuaries having closed down by them ‘entering these altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them’.
Document, retract or admit hypocracy and/or cowardiceness you believe in.
i did, contact ORW for the response. do you make alot of false accusations against Christians or these your rookie attempts?
mesquite, texas had a bombed abortion clinic from the 1990’s or before that which was never rebuilt. several books document abortion clinics that were removed and never rebuilt. look in your public library or contact streetpreach or army of god websites. just because you haven’t heard of it happening doesn’t mean it isn’t. if someone is coming to kill you and an able bodied man stands around holding a sign that portrays murder victims, instead of trying to save your life, that man is a coward. robert, i thought ORW told us not to continue our discussion. i will not answer any more of your false accusations. nor speak to you anymore, i have more important things to do.
I believe in the multi-prong attack. My only point is recruitment of the mushy middle. If we are to win peaceful, we must win the mushy middle. The aborted pictures turn off the mushies.
The live baby pics give them a place to be involved.
If it is sold out pro-aborts, rub their noses in the blood.
If it is the mushies, we should at least expose them to the family freindly live pictures to get them on board. Then when they see the dead babies, they don’t get mad at you for the picture, but properly get mad about them being murdered.
I have no other agenda on this issue other than saving the pre-born. It is my opinion, based on over 12 years of doing this, that the live pictures are the most effective images I have ever used.
I make no accusations against anybody’s honest efforts to end the child butchering.
I do have a prob with the hiden agendas, and the brutality of those in pro-life for position and power.
I do not doubt the effectiveness of the baby giblet photos. I spent a lot of years behind them, and burnt a lot of bridges as well.
The live pictures build bridges, and totally shut the pro-aborts down everytime.
Rick what a joy it is to hear someone who encourages and accepts the honest efforts of others to intervene in abortions when those efforts are not what they are specifically called to do. Yes! I agree with you.
Multibattle fronts! Hit ‘em on every side.
I am not called to lord over anyone. I can honestly disagree, with out condemnation.
It must be kept about the babies.
When the life of a ship is in danger, all hands are called to do what is nessisary to stay afloat.
Abortion is a Life and Death issue. ALL CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED BY THE GOSPEL OF LIFE TO RESPOND !!!!
readers, i have a question. the Bible says to rescue those that are unjustly sentenced to death, what version has the word “respond”? i would like to see this version and read it, as i am unaware of it’s existence.
Rescue is a responce. Prayer is a responce. picketing is a responce. Writing letters is a responce. Arson is a responce. Justifiable homocide is a responce. Believing in your heart, and confessing with the mouth is a responce.
Seems like all you want to do is start a fuss. Condemning others efforts is counter productive, and quite frankly stupid.
rick there is no need to rebute me , we have been told NOT to do this and i hope and pray you can comply with ORW’s request as i am able to.
Rick,
Exactly! RESPOND CHURCH RESPOND.
Scripture is filled with teaching Christians to repond. “Here I am Lord, send me” is a great teaching of a young man RESPONDING to God’s call on his life.
If Christians do not respond- scripture says in Hab 2:11 RSV “The very stones will cry out from the wall, and the plaster will respond from the woodwork.”
Job tells us that he is made to respond because of his inward agitation and disquieting thoughts. What more agitating than baby killing? Of course we are to respond.
Job20:2
“Therefore my disquieting thoughts make me respond, Even because of my inward agitation.
Rev 16 tells us that God’s altar wil also respond to the blood of the saints and prophets. This is certainy a comfort to know that the innocent blood of Paul Hill will be recompensed by God’s own altar.
my favorite place in scripture speaking of response is in
Ezr 3:11YLT “And they respond in praising and in giving thanks to Jehovah” When God sent his armies out to do battle such as say……’enter[ing] the altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them’ the FIRST people in God’s army were the singers and players of instruments and such…. so yet ANOTHER PROPER way for the Army of God to RESPOND according to scriptural teraching is in praise and thanksgiving to Jehovah!
In closing…
1 Cor 4:13 teaches that: “We respond gently when evil things are said about us. Yet we are treated like the world’s garbage, like everybody’s trash — right up to the present moment.”
Since we are all commanded to give thanks and praise Yah- I wish to give a SCRIPTURAL prayer to each who answer the Lord’s call on their lives to engage in the cultural war against abortion in WHATEVER manner you are called that you should know That God RESPONDS to your cry of praise and thanks to Him.
Psalm 20:1
“For the choir director: A psalm of David. In times of trouble, may the LORD respond to your cry. May the God of Israel keep you safe from all harm
so thus, the born again believers in the baby killing industry are responding to the mother’s need for medical services for her unborn child. the born again believers of nazi germany did this, they did not intervene to stop the slaughter of the innocent victims of nazi law. why not confess, while millions of babies are being killed, the majority of born again beleivers are not rescuing them.
I am not responsible for what the majority of believers do not do as a proper response- nor is anyone obligated to answer for them.
Certainly many here on earth would like to prejudicially judge with bias and preferences. I am much more concerned with how I will be judged by the Holy Judge on what I actually do.
I delight in knowing that there will be a day described in Revelation 12:10 where the salvation, the power, and the Kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ will come and RESPOND to the accuser of the brethren.
I am rescuing preborn children. Since I am RESPONDING by using every tool God has equipped my arsenal with- anticipation according to scripture is expected that He will greet me with a “well done thou good and faithful servant” You were given much and gained much”
Perhaps you have been given more?
Perhaps your arsenal is equipped to give you the ability to RESPOND to the cries of the preborn by ’enter[ing] the altars of child sacrifice and get[ting] rid of them’?
If so… stop typing (bitching & accusing) and RESPOND with the tools you have.
the Bible says the people of a land are responsible for the shedding of innocent blood if the killers are not brought to justice. our taxes pay for the baby killers to set up and maintain shop.we can claim we are doing our share, when we successfully remove legalized abortion from our land. and remove the altars of child sacrfice, then we are no longer making false claims. the ru-486 and it’s little chemical buddies should prove interesting for prolifers to combat with their signs or will counselors go to indivual homes, counseling against swallowing,will the counselors realize mommy will swallow and deciede to go with on the spot post abortive counseling and pray the Lord’s prayer with the mommy as she swallows.?
There was no claim to doing ‘my share’ only that I am doing ALL that is within my capabilities. Perhaps others have been given more capabilities?
A man came to Martin Luther and told him that his approach to spreading the gospel all wrong. When asked what the man was doing- the reply said- “well nothing” Luther said. “I like my way better”
Perhaps others are capable to RESPOND to the cries of the preborn by ’enter[ing] the altars of child sacrifice and get[ting] rid of them’?
Some have claimed such is the correct and in fact the only correct response.
Unless I read of someone ‘entering the altars of child sacrifice and getting rid of them’- I will have to conclude that this previous bravado was all talk with little more than pharisaical substance.
Either way- I will continue responding to the cries of the preborn and rescue these children with every tool in my arsenal.
i am glad God rewards His servants on what they do and not what is written down for the Lord to read. i am curious, how can an unborn baby cry loud enough to be heard by those standing so far away from the place of their dismemberment or do the dead baby signs also double as hearing aids?
Tobra wonders:
“i am curious, how can an unborn baby cry loud enough to be heard by those standing so far away from the place of their dismemberment or do the dead baby signs also double as hearing aids?”
ROFLMBO Tobra- You are hysterically funny.
Perhaps you could tell me if while you were ‘entering these altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them’ if you heard the cries of preborn children any clearer than those who rescue these children using numerous other methods?
And while your writing down these words that ‘the Lord can read’- along with other activists- and the FBI.
Tell us exactly WHICH abortuary you have EVER entered for the purpose of getting rid of them? And if you were successful.
You mentioned an abortuary in Mesquite Texas fire bombed in the 1990’s or before that which was never rebuilt.
It was actually on Feb. 22nd 1985 and caused 1.5 million dollars damage to an entire shopping mall of stores. Is THAT the abortuary that you ‘entered and got rid of’? Where you EVER in that abortuary or even the city of Mesquite? Are you even old enough to remember 1985? Your primary typing style leads me to believe that you are yet a juvenile- though I know better.
Like I know better about any substance that God will actually reward His servant; Tobra on what she DID about her TALK in regards to the ‘entering these altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them’ .
Probably like many others who have said hundreds of lives- you have NEVER entered an abortuary at all- instead choosing to use some of the other PROVEN methods listed above by Rick, Doyle, Rosie and myself.
Be consoled- we can not nor should we all be Johnny Brockhoefts- God will still reward you for DOING these actions in RESPONSE to hearing the cries of the unborn.
BTW I think the word hysterical is the correct word to select when describing funny women- It’s a woman thing, yes?
Tobra, The point is that the babies can not cry loud enough to be heard. Someone needs to speak up. Unless you use a ultrasound, the baby in the womb is silent. Does that mean it has no right to have someone speak up for it’s very life?
To All:
It’s been a while since I posted here, but I see that others have responded quite well to the attacks on the honest efforts of anti-abortionists to reveal the truth about abortion.
Anyone who truly is interested in reducing the rate of elective abortions in this country will take a positive approach to the conflict, and will praise all those honest anti-abortion efforts they see. Any negativism about such efforts helps only the proaborts.
I know that everyone has their own ideas about which efforts are more effective, and even which they may think are counter productive. But none of us has the right nor the obligation to interfere with the honest efforts of others to stop abortion, that is up to each individual to discern for him/her self.
So while I may disagree with the way some people choose to fight abortion, I will keep my silence about my opinions, and speak out only when I have something positive to say. I only wish others had the grace to do likewise.
when Christians get rid of the altars of child sacrifice, there will be no need to debate abortion. should they not get rid of them, the muslims, who the Lord may allow to defeat us in the current war, will probably get rid of the altars of child sacrifice and rule us with an iron fist.
That’s probably what our nation deserves.
no probably about it.
interesting, the nation deserves destruction, but the unborn deserve life. i think Christians, should rescue all people in danger of destruction. since our american nation is largely intact, we have time to do so.
Tobra says: “interesting, the nation deserves destruction, but the unborn deserve life. i think Christians, should rescue all people in danger of destruction.”
The preborn are innocent. Our Nation is NOT. There are just consequences for allowing (advocating, protecting, defending and paying for) the willful kiling of innocent -preborn. It would be unjust to atempt to rescue a nation from these just consequences.
According to Numbers there is but one way to cleanse a land of the shedding of innocent blood. The shedding of the blood of the murdering abortionist. I am in favor of laws that make abortion a capital offense in our land as it is before God. This addresses only future culpability- there is still culpability for the past. This does not address the past consequences nor should it. There are just consequences for the past willful kiling of innocent preborn.
the unborn will be destroyed when God destroys a nation. why not obey Numbers, instead of wanting others to obey it?
the nation contains unborn citizens.
tobra Says:
“why not obey Numbers, instead of wanting others to obey it? ”
Good question. Have you asked YOURSELF why you have not taken YOUR OWN “need to enter the altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them”?
What was your answer?
Personally, it was my contention that in posting the reference to Numbers- that I was adressingthe requriment fora nation to utilize the death penalty on abortionists by making it a capital offense and executing them.
Since I am not a executionist for either the state or the Federal government nor am I Flip [I'll pull the switch myself] Benham- the coment was not meant for
me.
Perhaps you have ambitions to be an executioner with all your idol talk of a “need to enter the altars of child sacrifice and get rid of them”?
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If one wants to commit suicide by government, get a shot gun and follow hill.
If one wants to live on the run, or sacrifice huge chunks of your life in prison, follow Clayton Wagner.
If one wants to rub pro-abort nose in the blood they cause, all across america, follow ORW.
If one want to proclaim them selves as the only authority in pro-life, and make a living off of the blood of babies, follow flip bennham, and the decieved in OSA.
If you want to get middle America involved, and reach critical mass to end it, get some baby cards [www.iamaperson.info] and get busy, and hit the streets.
I admire all these efforts, except OSA, and incurage all to check their heart, see where God would place you, and get real busy.
3000-4000 a day is far too many.