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	<title>Comments on: Operation Rescue Says, &#8220;This Is The Last Straw!&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Operation Rescue® is one of the leading pro-life Christian activist organizations in the nation and has become the voice of the pro-life activist movement in America. Its activities are on the cutting edge of the abortion issue, taking direct action to restore legal personhood to the pre-born and stop abortion in obedience to biblical mandates.</description>
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		<title>By: Eugenie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was such an informative, relevant answer. It was exactly what I was looking for. I&#039;m so happy to know I&#039;ll be getting something out of you posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was such an informative, relevant answer. It was exactly what I was looking for. I&#8217;m so happy to know I&#8217;ll be getting something out of you posts.</p>
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		<title>By: rick ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>rick ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 02:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
debate is healthy. the truth will always stand, no matter what you throw at it.

We don&#039;t need to drink the party cool-aide. We must keep folk honest who promised.

It is a very healthy sign to see miers withdraw. It means we the people still have a voice of influence.

It is time to realize pre-born children are worth fighting for, put on the political brass knucks, and smash the pro-aborts in the proverbial mouth. 

How can we continue to playcate the uncivilized with our pretence of civility?


We are way to timid in the fight. Let the all here our voice in a united shout...

NO  MORE !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>debate is healthy. the truth will always stand, no matter what you throw at it.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to drink the party cool-aide. We must keep folk honest who promised.</p>
<p>It is a very healthy sign to see miers withdraw. It means we the people still have a voice of influence.</p>
<p>It is time to realize pre-born children are worth fighting for, put on the political brass knucks, and smash the pro-aborts in the proverbial mouth. </p>
<p>How can we continue to playcate the uncivilized with our pretence of civility?</p>
<p>We are way to timid in the fight. Let the all here our voice in a united shout&#8230;</p>
<p>NO  MORE !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Gary Drumm,
After reading your list of supposed good things Bush has signed, it&#039;s obvious you never actually read the bills. He speaks with a forked tongue. The titles are completely the opposite of the words contained therein. The partial birth abortion ban is the worst! It purposely describes the birth process with the baby being delivered backwards, so that it if fact actually legalizes the process it claims to ban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Gary Drumm,<br />
After reading your list of supposed good things Bush has signed, it&#8217;s obvious you never actually read the bills. He speaks with a forked tongue. The titles are completely the opposite of the words contained therein. The partial birth abortion ban is the worst! It purposely describes the birth process with the baby being delivered backwards, so that it if fact actually legalizes the process it claims to ban.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, we really ARE &quot;sheeple&quot; ready to be slaughtered! If Miers was pro-abort (and most likely stilll is) why oh why would the liberal Democrats oppose her so strongly? Can you say &quot;SMOKE SCREEN&quot; ....I thought you could. The real worry is who&#039;s up next &amp; how much worse will they be in this big game?
oh... and &quot;Trust Bush&quot;????? His spiritual fruit is 100% ROTTEN!!!!   Check out the list on cuttingedge.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, we really ARE &#8220;sheeple&#8221; ready to be slaughtered! If Miers was pro-abort (and most likely stilll is) why oh why would the liberal Democrats oppose her so strongly? Can you say &#8220;SMOKE SCREEN&#8221; &#8230;.I thought you could. The real worry is who&#8217;s up next &amp; how much worse will they be in this big game?<br />
oh&#8230; and &#8220;Trust Bush&#8221;????? His spiritual fruit is 100% ROTTEN!!!!   Check out the list on cuttingedge.org</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Drumm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Drumm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, you all have completely and utterly missed my point.  Before you attack me, **me** someone who is utterly and completely opposed to abortion under any circumstance (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=gary+drumm+abortion&amp;btnG=Google+Search) why don&#039;t we all step back from situation for a moment and look at this froma  logical persepctive.  Particularly Jeremy and his scathing attack on me personally for daring to disagree with the political rhetoric.

The facts are simple:

1. People get abortions because they don&#039;t want the baby.  They are more concerned with themselves and their own lives.  So they convince themselves that it&#039;s not really a person that they&#039;re killing.
2. The law currently supports this.

So what our battle is on both fronts.  Demonstrate that the child in the womb is a person and get the law to recognize that as a person that child has rights - in particular the right to live.

My point on the Meirs nomination was that the woman did have, in recent years, some record on the pro-life side of the argument.  To completely ignore that record would have been unfair.  Also unfair is to ignore the President&#039;s record on the types of judges he has appointed or nominated.

No matter what your opinion of Bush, I would say that he has done more for the pro-life movement than any other President since Roe.  

He signed the Partial Birth Abortion ban.
He signed the Infant Born Alive Protection Act.
He signed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act.
He supports the Child Custody Protection Act.
He supports the Mexico City Policy.
He supports a ban on abortions at military facilities.
He supports the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act.

George W Bush IS a Pro-life President.  So why do we fight among ourselves?  Why do attack those who are on our side?  You know who really loves all of this... the pro-aborts.  So step down off your high horse for a minute and let&#039;s look at the issue logically, not emotionally.

My point was simply that I have every faith in God that His will would be done here, and apparently I am correct in believing just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, you all have completely and utterly missed my point.  Before you attack me, **me** someone who is utterly and completely opposed to abortion under any circumstance (<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=gary+drumm+abortion&#038;btnG=Google+Search" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=gary+drumm+abortion&#038;btnG=Google+Search</a>) why don&#8217;t we all step back from situation for a moment and look at this froma  logical persepctive.  Particularly Jeremy and his scathing attack on me personally for daring to disagree with the political rhetoric.</p>
<p>The facts are simple:</p>
<p>1. People get abortions because they don&#8217;t want the baby.  They are more concerned with themselves and their own lives.  So they convince themselves that it&#8217;s not really a person that they&#8217;re killing.<br />
2. The law currently supports this.</p>
<p>So what our battle is on both fronts.  Demonstrate that the child in the womb is a person and get the law to recognize that as a person that child has rights &#8211; in particular the right to live.</p>
<p>My point on the Meirs nomination was that the woman did have, in recent years, some record on the pro-life side of the argument.  To completely ignore that record would have been unfair.  Also unfair is to ignore the President&#8217;s record on the types of judges he has appointed or nominated.</p>
<p>No matter what your opinion of Bush, I would say that he has done more for the pro-life movement than any other President since Roe.  </p>
<p>He signed the Partial Birth Abortion ban.<br />
He signed the Infant Born Alive Protection Act.<br />
He signed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act.<br />
He supports the Child Custody Protection Act.<br />
He supports the Mexico City Policy.<br />
He supports a ban on abortions at military facilities.<br />
He supports the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act.</p>
<p>George W Bush IS a Pro-life President.  So why do we fight among ourselves?  Why do attack those who are on our side?  You know who really loves all of this&#8230; the pro-aborts.  So step down off your high horse for a minute and let&#8217;s look at the issue logically, not emotionally.</p>
<p>My point was simply that I have every faith in God that His will would be done here, and apparently I am correct in believing just that.</p>
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		<title>By: David Anson Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Anson Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God! *** Harriet Miers Withdraws as Nominee ***

Congratulations to Operation rescue and to the rest of the nation&#8217;s concerned Christian conservatives.

Thank you for your hard and faithful work in revealing the truth about President Bush&#8217;s Supreme court nomination Harriet Miers and in revealing his agenda in doing so.

Now we can keep the President honest and have him nominate a real qualified ProLife canade worth of the Supreme Court and worthy of our Nations acceptance.

God Bless you,
David Anson Brown
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God! *** Harriet Miers Withdraws as Nominee ***</p>
<p>Congratulations to Operation rescue and to the rest of the nation&rsquo;s concerned Christian conservatives.</p>
<p>Thank you for your hard and faithful work in revealing the truth about President Bush&rsquo;s Supreme court nomination Harriet Miers and in revealing his agenda in doing so.</p>
<p>Now we can keep the President honest and have him nominate a real qualified ProLife canade worth of the Supreme Court and worthy of our Nations acceptance.</p>
<p>God Bless you,<br />
David Anson Brown</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d focused on this comment before noticing how others had also:

&quot;No, what we need to do is have faith in our God, faith in our President, and faith that Ms. Miers is who she says she is and believes what she says she believes.&quot;

--This reminded me of the old line about &#039;Have faith in God but keep your gunpowder dry.&#039;  Faith in God is one thing.  But faith in the President, who&#039;s as human as the rest of us, is different.  Many, many people voted for George W. Bush on the premise that he would appoint pro-life, conservative judges, and Supreme Court Justices if he had the chance.  

Miers very well could be the swing vote to overturn Roe.  Are you seriously telling us that with that issue riding on George Bush&#039;s selection, the best he could come up with is the former head of the Texas Lottery Commission (?!?) with absolutely NO pro-life indicia, with no judging experience as well?  IMHO Bush had a perfect chance to appoint someone like Antonin Scalia, God bless him -- in other words, another conservative, well-renowned, intellectual heavyweight who had sat on some Circuit Court of Appeals, and whose qualifications were utterly beyond reproach  -- and dared the liberals to oppose him.  He blinked.  Sorry George, that doesn&#039;t cut if for me.  Miers should not be on the Court, but there are bigger issues at stake here. 

Another aspect of your line that struck me: &quot;we need to have faith that Ms. Miers is who she says she is.&quot;  Exactly who DOES she say she is?  Nobody really knows, and we have no judicial opinions to go on, as we would if she had actually had some judging beforehand.  Reports seem to say she goes how the wind blows.  Those are really, really bad signs for every American, let alone unborn babies.  So what if she goes to Church?  If this board is evidence enough, so does George Tiller...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d focused on this comment before noticing how others had also:</p>
<p>&#8220;No, what we need to do is have faith in our God, faith in our President, and faith that Ms. Miers is who she says she is and believes what she says she believes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;This reminded me of the old line about &#8216;Have faith in God but keep your gunpowder dry.&#8217;  Faith in God is one thing.  But faith in the President, who&#8217;s as human as the rest of us, is different.  Many, many people voted for George W. Bush on the premise that he would appoint pro-life, conservative judges, and Supreme Court Justices if he had the chance.  </p>
<p>Miers very well could be the swing vote to overturn Roe.  Are you seriously telling us that with that issue riding on George Bush&#8217;s selection, the best he could come up with is the former head of the Texas Lottery Commission (?!?) with absolutely NO pro-life indicia, with no judging experience as well?  IMHO Bush had a perfect chance to appoint someone like Antonin Scalia, God bless him &#8212; in other words, another conservative, well-renowned, intellectual heavyweight who had sat on some Circuit Court of Appeals, and whose qualifications were utterly beyond reproach  &#8212; and dared the liberals to oppose him.  He blinked.  Sorry George, that doesn&#8217;t cut if for me.  Miers should not be on the Court, but there are bigger issues at stake here. </p>
<p>Another aspect of your line that struck me: &#8220;we need to have faith that Ms. Miers is who she says she is.&#8221;  Exactly who DOES she say she is?  Nobody really knows, and we have no judicial opinions to go on, as we would if she had actually had some judging beforehand.  Reports seem to say she goes how the wind blows.  Those are really, really bad signs for every American, let alone unborn babies.  So what if she goes to Church?  If this board is evidence enough, so does George Tiller&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree men shouldnt have say on yeast infections either, better yet....I don&#039;t think they care LOL.
Abortion, is obviously another story.

Ever noticed how that old lady wears too much eye liner? yikes. She maybe should step down so she has time for me to show her how to do make-up. ;) haha I know thats immature but who says we can&#039;t all have a little innocent laugh? come on everybody.. ha ha ha! Okay good. Now, back to being serious...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree men shouldnt have say on yeast infections either, better yet&#8230;.I don&#8217;t think they care LOL.<br />
Abortion, is obviously another story.</p>
<p>Ever noticed how that old lady wears too much eye liner? yikes. She maybe should step down so she has time for me to show her how to do make-up. ;) haha I know thats immature but who says we can&#8217;t all have a little innocent laugh? come on everybody.. ha ha ha! Okay good. Now, back to being serious&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even if she were as advidly pro-life as all of us, and she were placed on the bench tomorrow morning and could overturn Roe by Friday afternoon, abortion would not end in this country.&quot;

This is one of the most lame statements made today and is made by many so-called &quot;Republicans&quot; and &quot;Pro-Lifers&quot;.

Abortion is murder, plain and simple.  We need to overturn the law that made murder legal in America and we need our states to make laws which protect us, not laws that allow people to legally kill us because we&#039;re unwanted!

Peter

Join the Monthly Call for Life at http://www.marchtogether.com.  Even if you are already involved in a Pro-Life movement, join us anyway.  It only takes 15 minutes a month.  (unless you also join us in our marches on government buildings obviously)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even if she were as advidly pro-life as all of us, and she were placed on the bench tomorrow morning and could overturn Roe by Friday afternoon, abortion would not end in this country.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is one of the most lame statements made today and is made by many so-called &#8220;Republicans&#8221; and &#8220;Pro-Lifers&#8221;.</p>
<p>Abortion is murder, plain and simple.  We need to overturn the law that made murder legal in America and we need our states to make laws which protect us, not laws that allow people to legally kill us because we&#8217;re unwanted!</p>
<p>Peter</p>
<p>Join the Monthly Call for Life at <a href="http://www.marchtogether.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.marchtogether.com</a>.  Even if you are already involved in a Pro-Life movement, join us anyway.  It only takes 15 minutes a month.  (unless you also join us in our marches on government buildings obviously)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary Drumm wrote:
So, given my circumstance; a one time hard-rocker, pro-choice, man who&#8217;s had a complete conversion on the issue, would people take things that I said 10 or 15 years ago and hold them against me today if I were being considered for the high court?

My response:
Yes, and well they should.  Your history is important to the question of how you might rule if you were a member of a court.  If one&#039;s history means nothing, why do we have vetting processes?


Gary Drumm wrote:
To actively oppose a woman based on what she may or may not have said &#8220;a few years ago&#8221;, seems&#8230; desparate.

My response:
This is ridiculous.  If people aren&#039;t to be judged based on their public positions, how are we supposed to judge them?  Not everyone has soul x-ray vision like the kind President Bush used on that wonderful humanitarian Vladimir Putin.

Gary Drumm wrote:
Even if she were as advidly pro-life as all of us, and she were placed on the bench tomorrow morning and could overturn Roe by Friday afternoon, abortion would not end in this country. 

My response:
So we shouldn&#039;t care if she&#039;s pro-life or not?  I don&#039;t understand the point of this comment.  The fact that we have a 6-3 (or maybe 7-2) pro-Roe court means that her views are much MORE important; we need multiple anti-Roe nominees.  You imply messing this appointment up isn&#039;t that big of a deal.

Gary Drumm wrote:
No, what we need to do is have faith in our God, faith in our President, and faith that Ms. Miers is who she says she is and believes what she says she believes.

My response:
We had faith in Reagan and O&#039;Connor; we had faith in Reagan and Kennedy; we had faith in Bush and Souter.  We should have faith in God, but how that translates into an argument for trusting Bush or Miers is beyond me.

Gary Drumm wrote:
We need to stop fighting her and get back to the real battle, the battle for hearts and minds. We won&#8217;t stop abortion by simply making it illegal, we&#8217;ll stop abortion by making it socially unacceptable.

My response:
It doesn&#039;t suprise me that you support Miers, because you apparently don&#039;t view getting pro-lifers on the Supreme Court as critical to winning the abortion war.  If I thought the Supreme Court was as unimportant as you do, I wouldn&#039;t care about Miers either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Drumm wrote:<br />
So, given my circumstance; a one time hard-rocker, pro-choice, man who&rsquo;s had a complete conversion on the issue, would people take things that I said 10 or 15 years ago and hold them against me today if I were being considered for the high court?</p>
<p>My response:<br />
Yes, and well they should.  Your history is important to the question of how you might rule if you were a member of a court.  If one&#8217;s history means nothing, why do we have vetting processes?</p>
<p>Gary Drumm wrote:<br />
To actively oppose a woman based on what she may or may not have said &#8220;a few years ago&#8221;, seems&hellip; desparate.</p>
<p>My response:<br />
This is ridiculous.  If people aren&#8217;t to be judged based on their public positions, how are we supposed to judge them?  Not everyone has soul x-ray vision like the kind President Bush used on that wonderful humanitarian Vladimir Putin.</p>
<p>Gary Drumm wrote:<br />
Even if she were as advidly pro-life as all of us, and she were placed on the bench tomorrow morning and could overturn Roe by Friday afternoon, abortion would not end in this country. </p>
<p>My response:<br />
So we shouldn&#8217;t care if she&#8217;s pro-life or not?  I don&#8217;t understand the point of this comment.  The fact that we have a 6-3 (or maybe 7-2) pro-Roe court means that her views are much MORE important; we need multiple anti-Roe nominees.  You imply messing this appointment up isn&#8217;t that big of a deal.</p>
<p>Gary Drumm wrote:<br />
No, what we need to do is have faith in our God, faith in our President, and faith that Ms. Miers is who she says she is and believes what she says she believes.</p>
<p>My response:<br />
We had faith in Reagan and O&#8217;Connor; we had faith in Reagan and Kennedy; we had faith in Bush and Souter.  We should have faith in God, but how that translates into an argument for trusting Bush or Miers is beyond me.</p>
<p>Gary Drumm wrote:<br />
We need to stop fighting her and get back to the real battle, the battle for hearts and minds. We won&rsquo;t stop abortion by simply making it illegal, we&rsquo;ll stop abortion by making it socially unacceptable.</p>
<p>My response:<br />
It doesn&#8217;t suprise me that you support Miers, because you apparently don&#8217;t view getting pro-lifers on the Supreme Court as critical to winning the abortion war.  If I thought the Supreme Court was as unimportant as you do, I wouldn&#8217;t care about Miers either.</p>
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