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> <channel><title>Comments on: EXCLUSIVE:  Blood Evidence At Abortion Clinic Reveals &#8220;Shop of Horrors&#8221;</title> <atom:link href="http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/</link> <description>Operation Rescue® is one of the leading pro-life Christian activist organizations in the nation and has become the voice of the pro-life activist movement in America. Its activities are on the cutting edge of the abortion issue, taking direct action to restore legal personhood to the pre-born and stop abortion in obedience to biblical mandates.</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:45:50 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Wendy</title><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-187864</link> <dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:47:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=442#comment-187864</guid> <description>I really hate to burst your bubble here...but luminol has reactions to various cleaners and also iron.I actually use luminol for its intended purpose...and we use pennies and bleach to test the luminol to ensure it is working properly.So anything that has been cleaned can glow...and any surface that has been sprayed with cleaner can show reactions to the luminol.&quot;Blood spatter&quot; quickly becomes cleaner sprayed onto walls if you really know what you&#039;re talking about...which it is apparent you do not.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hate to burst your bubble here&#8230;but luminol has reactions to various cleaners and also iron.</p><p>I actually use luminol for its intended purpose&#8230;and we use pennies and bleach to test the luminol to ensure it is working properly.</p><p>So anything that has been cleaned can glow&#8230;and any surface that has been sprayed with cleaner can show reactions to the luminol.</p><p>&#8220;Blood spatter&#8221; quickly becomes cleaner sprayed onto walls if you really know what you&#8217;re talking about&#8230;which it is apparent you do not.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jennifer</title><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-31411</link> <dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:33:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=442#comment-31411</guid> <description>I think that the OR was brave to try to put this evidence out to the public.  I don&#039;t doubt at all that the found evidence of what surely went on inside that murder-for-profit den.I find the name of the disposal gruesome and blindly obvious as to what went down it day after day for 23 years.I couldn&#039;t tell OR what to do with thier building...only- THANKS!! for buying it, evicting evil-doers, and showing the world what it is like, and what traces of murder are left to shake one to the core!May God further you, and your aewsome ministry!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the OR was brave to try to put this evidence out to the public.  I don&#8217;t doubt at all that the found evidence of what surely went on inside that murder-for-profit den.</p><p>I find the name of the disposal gruesome and blindly obvious as to what went down it day after day for 23 years.</p><p>I couldn&#8217;t tell OR what to do with thier building&#8230;only- THANKS!! for buying it, evicting evil-doers, and showing the world what it is like, and what traces of murder are left to shake one to the core!</p><p>May God further you, and your aewsome ministry!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nancy Heston</title><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-30364</link> <dc:creator>Nancy Heston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:51:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=442#comment-30364</guid> <description>I believe the testing demonstrated the presence of blood.  I had 2 abortions and these killing mills are places where innocent blood is shed, period.Might I share a poem the Lord gave me when I asked Him to teach me about the secret place - the womb.
Thoughts about the Secret PlaceI had been there once, long ago
But have no memory of my stay.
So Lord, take me into Your secret place,
For Your wisdom to convey.It is in this secret place
You created the mother&#039;s womb.
To be a place of safety
This very special room.For it is in this secret place
Your creation is to stay.
To be secure as Heaven,
As sure as the sun brings day.by Nancy Heston
Friends of Aborted Women are Needed Now!
FAWNN.orgWe all have been there - in this secret place.
It has a purpose - the womb.
Yea, it is a part of our body, but what God places there is not to be murdered it is to be nurtured!!!!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the testing demonstrated the presence of blood.  I had 2 abortions and these killing mills are places where innocent blood is shed, period.</p><p> Might I share a poem the Lord gave me when I asked Him to teach me about the secret place &#8211; the womb.</p><p>Thoughts about the Secret Place</p><p>I had been there once, long ago<br
/> But have no memory of my stay.<br
/> So Lord, take me into Your secret place,<br
/> For Your wisdom to convey.</p><p>It is in this secret place<br
/> You created the mother&#8217;s womb.<br
/> To be a place of safety<br
/> This very special room.</p><p>For it is in this secret place<br
/> Your creation is to stay.<br
/> To be secure as Heaven,<br
/> As sure as the sun brings day.</p><p> by Nancy Heston<br
/> Friends of Aborted Women are Needed Now!<br
/> FAWNN.org</p><p>We all have been there &#8211; in this secret place.<br
/> It has a purpose &#8211; the womb.<br
/> Yea, it is a part of our body, but what God places there is not to be murdered it is to be nurtured!!!!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-29036</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:20:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=442#comment-29036</guid> <description>That&#039;s the entire driving force behind pro aborts when they are confronted with evidence of what abortion really is.  They deny everything.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the entire driving force behind pro aborts when they are confronted with evidence of what abortion really is.  They deny everything.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason</title><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-27146</link> <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=442#comment-27146</guid> <description>Jessica, there are none so blind as those who will not see.  I have a strong suspicion that no matter what evidence is presented, you will not believe it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica, there are none so blind as those who will not see.  I have a strong suspicion that no matter what evidence is presented, you will not believe it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jessica</title><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-27046</link> <dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:05:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=442#comment-27046</guid> <description>pretty convenient that none of your photographic evidence shows ANY glow from the Luminol. If the rooms were as macabre as you&#039;ve indicated...I&#039;d expect to be blinded by light. Insensitive camera, eh? Buy a Nikon and try again.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pretty convenient that none of your photographic evidence shows ANY glow from the Luminol. If the rooms were as macabre as you&#8217;ve indicated&#8230;I&#8217;d expect to be blinded by light. Insensitive camera, eh? Buy a Nikon and try again.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mary</title><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-26096</link> <dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:26:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=442#comment-26096</guid> <description>Frank,Kindly refer back to my post.  I was paying OR a compliment.  OR was willing to post McKenzie&#039;s and Elodie&#039;s comments EVEN IF they proved OR mistaken in the use of luminol.  I did not say they proved anything.
I stand by what I said.  I have no doubts about there being blood splatter, but McKenzie does raise some troubling issues about the limitations of luminol, and I feel OR would be well advised to take them into consideration.
Its one thing to document and photograph appalling and dirty conditions and quite another to delve into the area of forensics.  If you&#039;re going to do this, be prepared to answer questions concerning your credentials, knowledge of the chemical agent along with its uses and limitations, your expericence using it and your expertise at chemical analysis of the findings.  Its easy to see how quickly and easily OR could be discredited.
I feel OR should quit while it is ahead.  Its done an excellent job, and performed an important public service, documenting and exposing appalling conditions in the abortion clinic.  I don&#039;t see why luminol testing is even necessary.  If you feel you must use it to prove a point, then please leave it to the experts.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p><p>Kindly refer back to my post.  I was paying OR a compliment.  OR was willing to post McKenzie&#8217;s and Elodie&#8217;s comments EVEN IF they proved OR mistaken in the use of luminol.  I did not say they proved anything.<br
/> I stand by what I said.  I have no doubts about there being blood splatter, but McKenzie does raise some troubling issues about the limitations of luminol, and I feel OR would be well advised to take them into consideration.<br
/> Its one thing to document and photograph appalling and dirty conditions and quite another to delve into the area of forensics.  If you&#8217;re going to do this, be prepared to answer questions concerning your credentials, knowledge of the chemical agent along with its uses and limitations, your expericence using it and your expertise at chemical analysis of the findings.  Its easy to see how quickly and easily OR could be discredited.<br
/> I feel OR should quit while it is ahead.  Its done an excellent job, and performed an important public service, documenting and exposing appalling conditions in the abortion clinic.  I don&#8217;t see why luminol testing is even necessary.  If you feel you must use it to prove a point, then please leave it to the experts.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-25659</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:49:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=442#comment-25659</guid> <description>I don&#039;t see what the point is in debating the use of the luminol....other than to prove how dirty the facility was.We all know that abortion IS a bloody procedure and it should come as no surprise to anyone that there would be traces of blood found in those rooms, given the thousands of babies who died in them.I still say burn the place down and be rid of every shred of anything that once stood there and build a new bldg. free of the traces of evil that dwelled there for way too long.The innocent who perished there are with the Lord.  I highly doubt that any fragment of their souls even WANTS to stay at such a dreadful place.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what the point is in debating the use of the luminol&#8230;.other than to prove how dirty the facility was.</p><p>We all know that abortion IS a bloody procedure and it should come as no surprise to anyone that there would be traces of blood found in those rooms, given the thousands of babies who died in them.</p><p>I still say burn the place down and be rid of every shred of anything that once stood there and build a new bldg. free of the traces of evil that dwelled there for way too long.</p><p>The innocent who perished there are with the Lord.  I highly doubt that any fragment of their souls even WANTS to stay at such a dreadful place.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Frank</title><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-25410</link> <dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:45:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=442#comment-25410</guid> <description>Hmmm.  Lots to say.Mary:  You are waaaaay overstating when you say
&quot;Elodie and McKenzie...proved OR mistaken in the use of luminol.&quot;  No, they proved nothing of the sort.  All they proved is that they doubt the (overwhelming) evidence.Mckenzie:  Fair enough --  I will not talk down to anyone.  Recall, though, that your inial post essentially implied all OR&#039;s work was invalid merely since rust supposedly contaminates the sample, and that rust explained away all the blood.  I suggest your first post was just as condescending as you thought mine was.  Moreover, I think that the levels and sheer volume of blood found more than defeats the suggestion that the OR showed rust, or bleach, or whatever.Elodie:  I&#039;m not really sure what to make of your posts.
You say &quot;a well-written response might just convince me that nobody should be able to have the option of abortion no matter what.&quot;  How about this:  Abortion stops a beating heart and rips a tiny baby limb from limb.  Period.  I don&#039;t think that will be suficient, though, simply because some (like you?) want the magic answer, and there really isn&#039;t one, and since even if OR had it, many wouldn&#039;t recognize it if they saw it.  You also make some odd references to Muslims and Moses going bonkers, and to Harry Potter.  Again, I&#039;m not sure where you&#039;re going with that.  And your point is...what?You allege, among other things, that, basically, someone could have cut their finger, or that a fly could have buzzed around, stepped in blood, buzzed around some more, etc.  Mckenzie says &quot;it could have been rust.&quot;  Some of you have challenged the OR testers.  However, I think the doubters have to acknowledge their position has a problem, and it boils down to this:  In any setting, the most common reason for anything happening is most likely the cause if the event occurs.  Put another way, the luminol testing revealed the presence of way, way, way too much blood, in areas where there shouldn&#039;t have been that much.  There was evidence of blood where no blood should have been.  Do you folks really, really believe, with a straight face, that the tests showed rust?  Or 1000 different people cut their fingers?  Or flies, or dogs, or burglars, or the Taliban tracked animal blood in from outside?  Come on, folks, it&#039;s an abortion clinic.  Little babies get pulled apart inside.  The point OR makes is overwhelming -- there is simply a massive amount of blood evidence, leading to the gruesome conclusion that many, many people were injured and killed within.  That&#039;s what abortion does.  Flies?  0.000000001% likely cause of all that blood.  Cut fingers?  The same.  Babies getting chopped up, and their moms too?  99.99999998% likely that&#039;s where the blood came from.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  Lots to say.</p><p>Mary:  You are waaaaay overstating when you say<br
/> &#8220;Elodie and McKenzie&#8230;proved OR mistaken in the use of luminol.&#8221;  No, they proved nothing of the sort.  All they proved is that they doubt the (overwhelming) evidence.</p><p>Mckenzie:  Fair enough &#8212;  I will not talk down to anyone.  Recall, though, that your inial post essentially implied all OR&#8217;s work was invalid merely since rust supposedly contaminates the sample, and that rust explained away all the blood.  I suggest your first post was just as condescending as you thought mine was.  Moreover, I think that the levels and sheer volume of blood found more than defeats the suggestion that the OR showed rust, or bleach, or whatever.</p><p>Elodie:  I&#8217;m not really sure what to make of your posts.<br
/> You say &#8220;a well-written response might just convince me that nobody should be able to have the option of abortion no matter what.&#8221;  How about this:  Abortion stops a beating heart and rips a tiny baby limb from limb.  Period.  I don&#8217;t think that will be suficient, though, simply because some (like you?) want the magic answer, and there really isn&#8217;t one, and since even if OR had it, many wouldn&#8217;t recognize it if they saw it.  You also make some odd references to Muslims and Moses going bonkers, and to Harry Potter.  Again, I&#8217;m not sure where you&#8217;re going with that.  And your point is&#8230;what?</p><p>You allege, among other things, that, basically, someone could have cut their finger, or that a fly could have buzzed around, stepped in blood, buzzed around some more, etc.  Mckenzie says &#8220;it could have been rust.&#8221;  Some of you have challenged the OR testers.  However, I think the doubters have to acknowledge their position has a problem, and it boils down to this:  In any setting, the most common reason for anything happening is most likely the cause if the event occurs.  Put another way, the luminol testing revealed the presence of way, way, way too much blood, in areas where there shouldn&#8217;t have been that much.  There was evidence of blood where no blood should have been.  Do you folks really, really believe, with a straight face, that the tests showed rust?  Or 1000 different people cut their fingers?  Or flies, or dogs, or burglars, or the Taliban tracked animal blood in from outside?  Come on, folks, it&#8217;s an abortion clinic.  Little babies get pulled apart inside.  The point OR makes is overwhelming &#8212; there is simply a massive amount of blood evidence, leading to the gruesome conclusion that many, many people were injured and killed within.  That&#8217;s what abortion does.  Flies?  0.000000001% likely cause of all that blood.  Cut fingers?  The same.  Babies getting chopped up, and their moms too?  99.99999998% likely that&#8217;s where the blood came from.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Operation Rescue</title><link>http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/exclusive-blood-evidence-at-abortion-clinic-reveals-%e2%80%9cshop-of-horrors%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-25398</link> <dc:creator>Operation Rescue</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:41:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=442#comment-25398</guid> <description>Actually, we stand by our position that it was blood that the luminol revealed.  The spatter patterns, especially on the walls in the abortion rooms were not such that it would indicate bleach or rust.  They were clear spatter patterns that would be consistent with a bleeding artery or blood being spattered from instruments such as curettes or cannulas.  Nobody bleaches walls in such patterns, even with a spray bottle -- and drywall does not rust.I think it is interesting that so many people would try to deny the fact that blood exists in abortion clinics.  What do you think they do in those places, anyway?We plan to follow up with this story in the near future, so stay tuned.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, we stand by our position that it was blood that the luminol revealed.  The spatter patterns, especially on the walls in the abortion rooms were not such that it would indicate bleach or rust.  They were clear spatter patterns that would be consistent with a bleeding artery or blood being spattered from instruments such as curettes or cannulas.  Nobody bleaches walls in such patterns, even with a spray bottle &#8212; and drywall does not rust.</p><p>I think it is interesting that so many people would try to deny the fact that blood exists in abortion clinics.  What do you think they do in those places, anyway?</p><p>We plan to follow up with this story in the near future, so stay tuned.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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