Controversial Abortion Ban Is On To The Supreme Court
Operation Rescue Vows to Attend DC Hearing as Partial Birth Abortion Ban is Declared Unconstitutional for Third Time
LINCOLN, NEBRASKA — U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf today became the third Federal Judge to rule that the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act passed by Congress last year is “unconstitutional” because it does not provide a “health” exception. The case will be appealed and Operation Rescue vows to attend the eventual Supreme Court hearing.
Courts in San Francisco, California and Manhattan, New York issued similar rulings in the past few weeks.
The controversial “health” exception language was deliberately left out of the federal legislation because of concerns that “health” could be so broadly interpreted that it would, in effect, nullify the ban. The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act does, however, provide an exception if the mother’s life is endangered by a pregnancy. However, testimony from medical experts indicated that the Partial —birth abortion procedure is never medically necessary to save a woman’s life or health.
A partial birth abortion is a controversial abortion method that is performed on pre-born babies in the later stages of pregnancy. The body of the baby is forcibly pulled out of the birth canal until only the head is left inside. The skull is then pierced and the cranial contents are then suctioned out, collapsing the head and allowing it to slip easily from the birth canal.
“It is unjust that three judges can thwart the will of the people, Congress, and the President and allow this immoral form of child-killing to continue. Because the ban on the gruesome abortion procedure enjoyed heavy popular and congressional support, these cases are destined to go to the Supreme Court,” said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman. “Operation Rescue vows to be there to be there to proclaim the truth about this horrific child-killing procedure, just as we were at the Supreme Court for the Carhart v. Stenberg case in 2000. These unjust rulings will not persuade us to go quietly into the night, but instead strengthen our resolve to continue to raise our voices on behalf of the innocent babies and the women who suffer profoundly from this particularly heinous abortion method.”
September 9th, 2004 at 8:57 pm
Does anyone know whether the partial birth abortion ban has kept babies from being aborted? Would it be possible to abort them another way instead? There is no question it is a horrific and deplorable procedure, as all abortion is. I am just unsure how to assess this ban in the big picture of abortion overall.
Steven
September 9th, 2004 at 11:42 pm
There is comfort found in the knowledge that God’s justice will have this baby killer burning in hell’s fires that will never end.
Psalm 58:10
The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.
September 10th, 2004 at 10:21 pm
Actually, wouldn’t it be great if Tiller came to know the Lord, repented of this, and became a national spokesman for pro-life values? That would be better than burning in hell. Think of what such a conversion could do for the unborn around the world.
STeven
September 11th, 2004 at 7:05 pm
steven
interesting you should say that….several abortionists and clinic owners have repented of their bloody work and gone on to be some of the most eloquent spokepeople for the prolife cause. two of the most famous:
bernard nathanson
carol everett
of course we should pray for tiller’s conversion…..and it COULD happen….but at some point a heart that’s been hardened to that extreme and a conscience that’s been seared beyond any sort of moral clarity whatsoever, is past the point of turning back.
only God knows the point of no return for each person who has made it a practice of rejecting him…. tiller once yelled to a prolife group protesting him (not ORW) that “abortion is worth going to hell for”….
you can find that documented on the tiller pdf file link.
September 12th, 2004 at 3:35 pm
i think abortions are wrong no matter how you tell it or twist it. knowone has the right to take the life of an innocent child.
September 14th, 2004 at 1:03 pm
Steven and any other interested,
I think you are right to question the ban on partial birth abortions in reference to the bigger picture.
Yes, there are other ways to kill babies through all nine months gestation, as Tiller does; so it is doubtful that banning this procedure will save many babies’ lives.
As gruesome, heinous, cruel, and barbaric as it is, it is no less humane than suctioning the baby to shreds in the first trimester, ripping him/her apart in the second or early third, burning/pickling him/her to death by salt poisoning (the effects of this method on the baby are comparable to those inflicted by napalm on its victims but, in this case, they are worse, because the child takes the poison in INSTEAD OF AIR OR FOOD), or simply delivering the baby alive and then starving or suffocating him/her to death.
In short, THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO DO A WRONG THING!!!
Yes, i heartily agree that it would be a grand thing for Tiller & ilk to repent, turn their chop shops into real CPC’s, and find themselves honest work in a field from which they are not morally, mentally, emotionally, or educationally disqualified. At the very least, health care providers should be in reasonably good health themselves, and compulsive serial killers such as Tiller are sin-sick individuals who should not be allowed anywhere near women in crisis or children.
Only YHWH knows, of course, when any individual has hardened his/her heart beyond the point of no return but I think that if I were to cast a “most likely” vote, Tiller would certainly be a leading candidate. I think that in view of this, my own inclination is to pray that if Tiller has crossed that line, that YHWH will in mercy extend his days on earth as long as possible to spare him as many of the torments of eternal hell as possible; but that He will somehow arrest him in his heinous career for the sake of all his prospective victims and their survivors.
If, on the other hand, there remains a spark, a shred of humanity in the shall that may yet be fanned or grown into a real physician, or at least an honest man, that YHWH will send just the laborers into that particular harvest ASAP…
I’ve heard Mr. Tiller state that child-killing is “worth going to hell for”…ever notice that people who reference hell in such positive terms have never been there themselves but the only One Who has been there and come back made it very plain to all with ears to hear that it is GREATLY OVERRATED as a place of positive reward of any kind. . .
Slainte,
F. Prout
September 18th, 2004 at 5:48 pm
I think that the killing of innicent babies is so wrong and heart breaking. I think that doctors and people that will alow this to happen should burn in hell forever and be allowed to see their precisious babies in heaven in the arms of Jesus. People like that are sick.
September 22nd, 2004 at 10:32 pm
I cant believe people actually think this is ok. It is sick! My stomach turns when I see the pictures but I think they need to be seen. I have been married 3 years and we have been trying to have a baby that long and just cant believe people can do this. If you dont want the baby give it up for adoption. At least you would know that it is in family that wants it. I would love to have children and I pray I do someday. It is just very desturbing.
October 4th, 2004 at 10:07 am
There is no difference in the abortion doctors & nurses and the nazis who ran the murder camps in Europe during WW2.They all are cut from the same cloth.
October 5th, 2004 at 9:10 pm
…There isn’t such a thing as a point of no return.
As a Christian, you must remember to love your family and friends as much as those who persecute them.
I’ll quote the most widely-known chapter on love, Corinthians 13:3-7
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing. Love suffers long and is kind, love does not envy; love does not parade itself, it is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Paul, you’ll remember, who was one of the most prolific missionaries and dictated several books of the bible.
And before he became a christian, he oversaw the murders of thousands of Christians. He was a man related to Steven’s stoning, a man who took hatred to heart. If there was a point of no return, Paul reached it. Then he trashed past it and into some unreachable abyss…
But he isn’t known for that abyss. The extent of God’s mercy is unfathomable.
You cannot hope to succeed in an issue if you do not have absolute faith in God in all matters, in every downcast situation, in the impossible. Pray for your enemies, not against them, and do not underestimate God’s power, love, or ability to forgive.
October 6th, 2004 at 12:28 am
orange
i’m sorry to tell you, but there IS a point of no return. i would agree that only God knows when that is, however.
regarding the apostle paul, he was zealous for the jewish faith, and yes, he was totally wrong in the way he went about it. but he was called from the womb to preach the gospel, and eventually, the scales fell from his eyes, and he went about fulfilling his lifelong calling. it is true there have been abortionists who have turned from their sins, and became eloquent and effective prolife voices. it is possible that tiller could do that. however, it is highly unlikely.
remember that tiller once shouted to a protester “abortion is worth going to hell for”.
can you imagine paul saying “killing Christians is worth going to hell for”…?
the difference in your analogy is that paul really thought he was doing God’s will, but tiller knows better, and could care less. once paul met Jesus, he turned from sin and was never the same. tiller claims to know Jesus and still kills babies, proudly, and without a twinge of remorse.
October 6th, 2004 at 1:49 am
Dear Orange,
You said it ALL in your last paragraph….do not EVER under-estimate God’s power to love & to forgive ALL sinners!!!
Have you heard the true story of Mother Angelica’s (EWTN) experience!? She was walking along a beach…the tide was coming in..a drop of water fell on her cheek. She heard God’s inner voice asking her if she felt that drop. She said yes…and He said that drop of water represents all the SIN in the world…and the OCEAN represents my Divine Mercy & Forgiveness!!
So you see, there is ALWAYS hope…if enough people PRAY for Tiller, God will grant him the Graces needed to ask for forgiveness & repent!
October 6th, 2004 at 2:00 am
With elections coming up soon….I hope all are aware that KERRY has publically said that he SUPPORTS ABORTIONS!!! Planned Parenthood & all the other “baby killers” are voting for him…Tiller has been funding him financially, as he knows Kerry, if elected, will take the ban off ALL abortions & he will have much more business!
October 6th, 2004 at 2:08 am
carole
you might consider praying for osama bin laden while you’re at it…it’s about the same likelihood that your prayer will be answered.
don’t get me wrong, i’m a firm believer in prayer. but tiller is proud of his baby killing, and tries to put his outrageous work under the blood of Jesus, WITHOUT a repentant heart.
are you so spiritually blind as to not see the blasphemy involved here? a man like tiller is the living embodiment of romans 1:24, which states “and so God has given those people over to do the filthy things their hearts desire, and they do shameful things….”.
i suggest you pray for people you work with, your neighbors, family members, our president, the congress, mothers considering abortion, the crisis pregnancy counselors, your pastor or priest, fellow church members, etc….. then, if you have time and energy, go ahead and pray for people like tiller. but remember, as you conveniently ignored from my previous post, tiller has already said that abortion is worth going to hell over, and i suspect that when it’s all said and done, he will get the desires of his evil heart.
October 7th, 2004 at 7:26 pm
If you are excusing Paul for murder on the basis of good intention, then you’ll have to offer the same courtesy to Tiller. The statement he made doesn’t show how much he really wishes to be in hell…it shows how little he takes hell seriously. Tiller exclaimed that little quip the same way someone would exclaim, “I’m so hungry I could eat a horse!” …And then was suprised when someone immediately shot a horse and offered them the corpse to eat. Tiller probably doesn’t go into his office every day reassuring himself that he is killing babies, shortly followed by maniacal laughter. From his numerous awards and documented quotes, it would be safe to assume that Tiller has only the best intentions.
Paul was responsible for murder, whether or not his
intentions were pious.
…I think you’ll find it interesting to note that if you read on through Romans Paul notes several things:
First, that God’s wrath is great, and reviled against the corrupt.
…He goes on to say what sort of people the corrupt are, and that there is a punishment.
He then notes that people that either support or judge these aren’t in such great shape themselves. The latter primarily applies to the hypocrites.
Chapter three, then, says that we are all hypocrites: We’ve all sinned. “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.” (Romans 3:10-11)
Romans 3:23 “…for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
This is something important, and something we must understand. All of us are in the same boat.
Paul stresses the importance of faith, because through faith we bridge that terrible gap. It is by faith that we can find peace with God
He also notes something else important: That Christ didn’t die for the righteous. He died for the unrighteous. He died for the sinners. And we know from chapter three…that means everyone.
Romans 5:6-8: “For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love towards us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
Death and punishment are consequences derived directly from sin.
….But this is all leading to one solid point:
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; …for “Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be SAVED.” Romans 10:9,13
This does not include an ‘if you haven’t done so and so clause’. Chapter eleven doesn’t say, “But this is only if…” That’s it. His mercy is that deep.
Again: The wages of sin /is/ death, and the bible does note that there are consequences. But Romans is not about those consequences…it is about mercy. I firmly disagree that God has His limits, or that any person is beyond His power.
October 7th, 2004 at 10:02 pm
orange
who are you disagreeing with? no one said God has limits, or that anyone is beyond His power. what i clearly said was that there is a point of no return, but only God knows when that is.
secondly, i didn’t excuse paul. what i asked you was ‘can you imagine paul saying that killing Christians was worth going to hell over?’ - and you conveniently ignored that. i think you’re being rather ridiculous here - no one said that tiller couldn’t repent. the point is that you have not done your homework. tiller has made numerous statements on this, and he is VERY VERY proud of what he does, and he knows that what he does is kill babies.
your commentary is lacking in perspective, as you seek to apparently broadbrush prolifers as wanting to see tiller burn in hell. that is not the case. the facts are that he is committed to doing what he does, and knows EXACTLY what he does. paul was a pious jew who turned his life around immediately after meeting Jesus. tiller claims to know Jesus and still continues killing babies.
furthermore, to say we’re all in the ’same boat’ is pure foolishness, and demonstrates biblical illiteracy. it is true that Christ died for every man. but it is NOT true that born again Christians, who’ve turned their lives over to Him and are seeking Him with all their hearts, are ‘in the same boat’ with those who reject Him, revile Him, mock Him, and refuse to receive Him as Lord.
tiller is in the latter category.
suggest you do a bit more research instead of trying to create moral equivalency between real believers and apostate false professors such as tiller. to say that tiller has ‘only the best intentions’ is, with all due respect, a silly and insupportable remark. how do you know what tiller meant by the remark he made about hell? no one knows for sure, but we can put it in persective. i challenge you to find anyone in the Bible who was saved or of God who uttered such blasphemy and later went on to be a child of the King. No real believer would ever say such a thing, and tiller claims to be a believer. this can only mean one thing - that he does not know the Lord in any way, shape, matter or form. and when you do the research i’ve challenged you to do, you will find that tiller has made a career and a life out of exactly this kind of thinking and reasoning.
above all though, you need to remember that i did not state that tiller was damned. this seems to be the focus of your posts…. the point is that there IS a point where God gives people over to a depraved mind, and based on tiller’s history, he has long ago reached that point. could he repent? yes, and i’ve said as much on previous posts, which you ignored. but his repentance is highly unlikely.
i would also urge you to focus more on praying for crisis pregnancy outreach ministries, where lives are being saved every day - not just those of the unborn, but spiritually, those of their mothers, for eternity. this is a far more important focus for you and other believers than whether or not tiller is being unfairly judged. i’m sure you’re aware of the fact that baby killing has already been judged.
October 9th, 2004 at 6:58 am
Jerry,
Yes, I pray for everyone on earth (but it’s still up to THEM to repent!)
Yes, Tiller is a PROUD, EVIL, GREEDY person (taking blood money).
PRIDE is the root of ALL evil–small or massive!
And yes, unless he ASKS for forgiveness with TRUE SORROW—he, like Judas, will be lost!
That’s why I try to pray each day for ALL people, especially the innocent pre-borns, & thoes in MOST NEED of God’s Mercy!
The “Divine Mercy Chaplet” asks for God’s Mercy on us ALL & the “Holy Rosary” is a perfect prayer also. If nothing else, we all can pray this short, little prayer taught to the 3 children of Fatima by Our Heavenly Mother, Mary….
“Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell and lead all souls to Heaven–especially thoes in MOST NEED of Your Mercy!”
But we should never give up HOPE of Tiller & others of repentance, as long as they are breathing!!
God has ways of “waking us up” or “getting our attention”! (Some have to be “knocked’ on the head HARDER than others.)
For instance God struck Saul (St. Paul) from his horse & blinded him as part of his conversion. There are lots of people who have experienced “hardships” in their lives before they realized God wanted them to repent. And look at all the women who had past abortions, who are NOW helping SAVE the little pre-borns!! :)
Who knows WHAT Tiller would DO if he was suddenly struck (for example) with a terrible disease or near fatal accident!!??….it’s times like this, when we are FORCED to have time to THINK about our lives & how we are living it, that things can CHANGE!! So you can’t count them as being lost yet…because we AREN’T GOD & we don’t have any right to JUDGE!! RIGHT!!??
BTW, I think Orange meant we are ALL sinners in God’s eyes…when saying “we are all in the same boat” (which we are!)…don’t you think??
Carole
April 21st, 2006 at 12:58 pm
I can not belive how sick and wrong this is. I dont know how it can still be practiced. i hope who ever decide to do this to their child can’t live with them selfs and thinks about it and can’t sleep.That geos to show what are government does for us.