Ashes of aborted babies fall on pro-lifers at Wichita’s late-term abortion mill
WICHITA, KANSAS — Ashes of aborted babies fell on pro-life sidewalk counselors as they stood outside Women’s Health Care Services in Wichita, Kansas, offering help to women considering abortion. The infamous late-term abortion mill is owned and operated by abortionist George R. Tiller.
Tiller operates an industrial-sized incinerator at his abortion facility where he routinely burns the broken remains of pre-born babies that he and his staff have aborted.
“It’s unusual for him to burn on a Thursday,” noted longtime sidewalk counselor Donna Lampkin. “Tiller usually waits until the end of the week’s killing to burn the babies’ bodies.”
ORW staffer Karen Myers heard the roar of the incinerator and looked up to see smoke and fine ash fluttering down from the smokestack located on the roof of WHCS. “I could smell the sickening stench of burning flesh. Smoke only came out only for a few minutes, but afterward, I saw bits of ash being carried into the sky by the breeze.”
Some of the human ash even fell on Myers, smudging in her fingers as she picked it up. In addition to the ash, Myers and ORW staffer Cheryl Sullenger recovered a cinder approximately one square inch in size from the grass in front of the abortion mill. It was unknown of what material that cinder was comprised.
Pictures of the burned remains of the aborted babies from today’s burning are available below.
“It is appalling to think that the remains of innocent babies are literally polluting our city — drifting down on our streets, our homes, and our children as they play in our yards,” said Sullenger. “These innocent babies deserved better than to be brutally murdered and then burned as if they were simply garbage. This is the ultimate devaluation of human life that should shock all men and women of good conscience into acting to protect all innocent human life, regardless of developmental age.”
The ashes of aborted babies smudged in Karen Myers’ hand as Tiller burned human remains in his industiral-sized incenerator.
Cheryl Sullenger holds a cinder of unknown substance retreived from the grass near the smokestack. The cinder was still warm to the touch.
Heat waves rise from the incinerator smokestack. The rumble of the incinerator could still be heard through the two intake vents near the roof of the abortion mill twenty minutes after it was fired up.
Everyone remembers the Holocaust and the Jewish people! But, what about these some 44 million babies? Only a few of us seem to really have a burden on our hearts.
There is comfort found in the knowledge that God’s justice will have this baby killer burning in hell’s fires that will never end.
Psalm 58:10
The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.
After reading the story about the babies ashes and the incinerator, the only thing that comes to mind is the ancient hymn, Dies Irae or, Day of Wrath.
Day of Wrath, O Day of Mourning
See fulfilled the prophets warning
Heaven and earth in ashes burning.
O what fear the bosom rendeth
when from Heaven the Judge descendeth,
On whose sentence all dependeth…
Here’s the hymn.
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/d/a/daywrath.htm
you have to remember that these people are animals that works at this place i am praying that common sense settltes before god comes back and judge these people or should we call them animals. i also blame the dumn females that allowed their stupid tales to get pregnant are they so stupid that they didn’t know that they could have put them up for adoption to give them a chance at life after all their parents gave them life. the are all cold hearted and cruel. i just thank god that he is looking over these poor litte darlings in heaven.
What is this world coming to? I mean an industrial sized incenerator! Sick isn’t even the word to begin to describe such people or such a thing. Someone who would do this isn’t even human, they are demons of satan’s regiem and will pay the ultamate price. I mean who are they to say a innocent little child should be killed eventhough it isn’t even born yet. WHO CARES!!! If you don’t want the baby I’ll gladly take him/her. God’s gift is life….So don’t toy with it!
What is this world coming to? I mean an industrial sized incenerator! Sick isn’t even the word to begin to describe such people or such a thing. Someone who would do this isn’t even human, they are demons of satan’s regiem and will pay the ultamate price. I mean who are they to say a innocent little child should be killed eventhough it isn’t even born yet. WHO CARES!!! If you don’t want the baby I’ll gladly take him/her. God’s gift is life….So don’t toy with it!
Can’t kill what is not yet alive, and babies still in the womb do not have life. That is the difference between abortion and the Holocaust. An abortion does not kill anything, and that is the biblical truth.
I feel sorry for people that believes a baby is not a baby if it hasn’t been born. My belief is it is a baby from conception. If not it would be nothing.
The lies that fuel the abortion logic? are so easy to see through that you have to feel sory for people like Pete Larkin that don’t know that what is developing in the womb is truly alive and a human baby.
Take a look at these websites:
http://www.geocities.com/kerryadvocatesmurder/Kerryadvocatesmurder.html
http://geocities.com/kerryadvocatesmurder/inezandglennadvocatemurder
http://geocities.com/kerryadvocatesmurder/KerryEdwardsadvocatemurder
Yours in CHRIST,
Robert Black
achristianplace@charter.net
As to the comment above about Tiller possibly burning medical records – come on! Anything with a patient’s name on it goes into a recycle bin shredder, if it is to be discarded, in every clinic I have ever worked in. I will admit I have never worked in Tiller’s death camp however.
How many other ‘doctors,’ if you will, have an incenerator on site! Hasn’t there been evidence that he uses that for the babies?
Does anyone know if spewing burning flesh in the air is against a city ordinance?
Steven
pete
you are a blasphemous liar.
All of this happening and we consider ourselves a “Christian Nation”. God’s vengeance is coming people, better get your house in order! Obey God’s word, not some man made tradion.
lime5
careful, brother….too many facts all at once will give these proaborts a headache….
appreciate your willingness to tell the truth. keep up the good work.
If Pete doesn’t think that life begins in the womb, then, would he be alive if his mother had an abortion?
Anyone who believes that an unborn baby is not a human being is either being deceived or is part of the cruelty. Either way they are wrong and have the blood of the precious little ones on their hands. They should read the writings of their heroes, the abortionists. Baby killers from “Dr.” Hern to “Dr.” Haskell admit openly that the fetus is very much alive before they kill him or her. They even talk about where the best place is on the body of the baby to make their first “grab.” Unborn children are torn apart and their parts are harvested and used by so called scientists for experiments. Currently on the agenda….Research is being done by scalping unborn children so that their scalps can be used to cure baldness. Yes this is how far our vanity and cruelty has taken us. Abortion is an assault on our humanity and we will be judged as a nation for allowing this holocaust to continue.
Well, we’re baaaaaack!
Seeing how an earlier post has been deleted, here is a review of it’s salient points, plus a few others.
First, a reminder to all prolifers out there who may read this: make sure that you know the name of the nearest emergency room WITH A TRAUMA UNIT, and that you instruct the women staggering out post-abort and their companions to go there AT ONCE, to get examined. Last November, a woman died from hemmorrhagic shock, resulting from a uterine perforation, within 10 hours of the “safe and legal” abortion during which her uterus was perforated. (Uterine perforation is one of the most common abortion complications, since most induced abortions involve some sort of sharp instrument and/or powerful suction device weilded BLINDLY inside a rather cramped area). About 6 hours after the abortion, her temperature plummeted to 94 degrees. Her concerned husband called the killing center to ask them about this and was told that it was nothing to worry about…(the stock, and often false, answer typically given by killing staffers re: post-abortion complaints; a real health care professional would, of course, a.) recognized that a body temperature of 94, unless deliberately induced by a real doctor for legitimate reasons, indicates that the patient is at death’s door and knocking, and, b.) would say so…) Fortunately, he did not heed the proabort’s badvice and called an ambulance; unfortunately, it was too late, and this young mother of 4 other children died in the ambulance en route to the E.R. (How’s that, again, about professed proabort “concern” about children already born ???!!! A prolifer who dissuades a mother who has other, already born children, does THEM a service by saving possibly her life; definitely some aspect of her health. Induced abortion is intensely emotionally traumatic for any woman, and i have yet to hear or read of any post-abortive woman whose maternal abilities were improved by killing one of her children. All the testimony and evidence i’ve read points the other way…)
And, that you let her and/or her companion know that if her E.R. examination reveals any injury resulting from the abortion, she does have a right to legal recourse. The consent and liability release forms women are made to sign are typically tools of the trade to intimidate her into believing that she cannot sue them for anything they do to her; they have virtually no real value in malpractice cases but it is still a good idea to advise women entering abortion mills NOT to sign any waiver of her rights, statement of indemnification of the “clinic” personnel (all of whom can be enjoined in an abortion malpractice lawsuit, if they were there at the time of her injury). ABORTION MAY BE LEGAL, BUT FRAUD, INJURY, AND MALPRACTICE ARE NOT; CONSENT DOES NOT EXCUSE MALPRACTICE; LEGAL ASSISTANCE IS AVAILABLE AT 1-800-U CAN SUE OR 1-888-9 WOMENS.(E.R. workers, incidentally, see botched LEGAL abortion victims all the time; and if she tells them what has just happened to her, they will know what to look for where, and she can thus make shorter work for them and, therefore, a better chance of recovery for herself)
(I shall again encourage anyone who still buys the “safe and legal” lie to go to lifedynamics.com, access the Blackmun Wall, and READ ALL OF IT.)
For anyone who still buys the “pro-choice” lie,
Consider this: 46 million innocent Americans have been tortured to death (by the 8th week of life, a preborn child is sensitive to touch — read, CAN FEEL PAIN) since Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton cruelly and unjustly decriminalized killing preborn children. NONE of them were given a choice; ALL of them would have rejected abortion if they had. (For proof of this, the film The Silent Scream can be viewed online.)
Then, too, informed consent laws have been fought tooth and nail by –surprise, surprise!– America’s “champions of choice” where and whenever they have been introduced…
Virtually no women ever get pregnant on purpose so they can get an abortion…which does rather vindicate, i think, F. Matthewes-Green’s statement to the effect that a woman DOES NOT “choose” an abortion like she chooses an ice cream cone or a Porsche, but rather like an animal caught in a trap “chooses” to chew off the hind leg clenched in the trap. (How liberating, in the long run, is life without a leg?)
Anyone who has been involved in pro-life street work for more than a few days has encountered the bitter irony of hearing “my body my choice” flipped at him/her by abortion-bound women leaping/swaggering into the local deathcamp; then hearing her pitiful attempts at consoling, and justifying, herself with “You don’t understand, i HAD to do it” as she comes limping/staggering out…often crying, bleeding, vomiting, as she comes. How much more bitterly is this irony felt by the woman, not because she had a choice but because she really felt that, because of lack of support, fear of abandonment, etc., she did not.
And i have, myself, witnessed a grown man fall to the pavement of a killing center parking lot weeping because he had — you guessed it — NO CHOICE, and no voice, in the pending, cold-blooded, premeditated murder of his little boy or girl. One killing center in Alabama, i’m told, has a small magnolia tree planted in a small courtyard in front of it, in memory of a police officer killed when that center was bombed several years ago.
With all due respects to that officer, his widow, and other law enforcement personnel, whenever i think of that magnolia tree i cannot help thinking that a greater loss than a fallen officer is the loss of honor for the police officers’ oath “to protect and serve the innocent”. Where is the magnolia lamenting that? I recently read of two fathers who, in the same year, committed suicide. One was a police officer; the other was a college student. Both these men left notes stating that their final acts of self-destruction were due to their inability to cope with the grief and guilt over the loss of their children to induced abortion. Where is the magnolia for THAT officer?…
The phrase “pro-choice” become even more cruelly cynical in view of the fact that, of the entire U.S. population registered to vote, exactly NINE were ALLOWED to vote on Roe/Doe…and ALL of them had been born!!!
ABORTION KILLS MORE THAN A BABY.
Abortion never has, really been, about a “woman’s right to choose”, but about a doctor’s right to KILL, to determine who lives and who dies. But after the exposure of the Nazi atrocities to the world of applied eugenics (see eugenics-watch.com for the rest of that story), some catch phrase had to be coined to make a medical holocaust acceptable, if not attractive, to the American public…and what would resonate better than an appeal to one’s sense of autonomy/rights? But the inventor of that phrase, Dr. Bernard Nathanson, knew what a cruel hoax it was when he and arch-eugenicist/population control freak Larry Lader(co-founders of NARRAL)coined it.
Oh, and since next month is Breast Cancer Awareness month…Yes, Virginia, there is a link.
The number of independent, worldwide studies linking early abortion, esp. of a first pregnancy, with greatly increased risk of breast cancer, is now 29, despite “loud & proud” but unsubstantiated claims to the contrary by prodeath groups. It is not the leading cause of breast cancer; however, it is the most preventable one because it is a choice. Think about it whenever you don, or see, those pink ribbons…for more information on this, please see abortionbreastcancer.com.
slainte/shalom/L’CHAIM,
lime5
I want to reply to the person that said a baby in the womb isn’t alive.
A baby is alive at the moment of conception. I’m sorry to hear that you are ignorant and don’t know the whole truth. What about the Laci Peterson case? If her baby wasn’t alive then why is her husband been charged with 2 counts of murder? Because the baby was ALIVE!
I am just so sorry that these babies will have to continue burning, since they were unable to recieve baptism or accept Jesus Christ as their savior. At least their parents will be joining them in Hell.
rebecca
i’m not sure what you meant by your post, but the child who is aborted is not in hell. that child is safe in the loving arms of Jesus. Scripture does not specifically teach what happens to a young child that dies or is killed – but if you go to the passage in samuel where david’s son, born to bathsheba, is sick for several days, then dies – david tells his servants “he will not return to me, but someday i will go to where he is”. this seems to imply that young children who die go to be with the Lord.
in any case, we know that God is totally just and with that in mind, i don’t see His justice including sending tiny babies to hell…
Jerry,
While it is true that God is in all things just, I think it is a leap to conclude that all babies end up in heaven simply by the passage in Samuel. Salvation belongs to our God, we are all sinners, born under the curse of sin, and all of us are in need of redemption. Even pre-born children are sinners and need a Saviour. God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy and compassion on whom He will have compassion, and while I don’t believe that all babies end up in Hell, if some of them do, who are we to say to God that He is unjust in doing so? (Read Rom.9)
I firmly believe that it would be unjust of God to send them to hell, what sin could be committed in the womb?
My husband and I have five children. The fourth is autistic and had treatment for a stenotic pulmonary valve in the newborn period. Had I known before his birth that he would hzve these afflictions, it would not have changed anything! I would still be his Mama!
Here are a few Bible passages, taken from the New King James Version:
I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made:
Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well.
My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Your eyes saw my substance,
being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were
written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them.
Psalm 139:14-16
Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD,
The fruit of the womb is His reward.
Psalm 127:3
And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:41
“Therefore, as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned,” Romans 5:16.
When Adam sinned, he condemned the whole of humanity to be born in sin. To say that babies are “innocent” before their birth would be to deny the doctrine of original sin.
You “firmly believe that it would be unjust of God to send them to hell, what sin could be committed in the womb?”? Show me from the Scriptures how we are not all under the curse of sin. We don’t have to do anything to be deserving of hell, we are all on our way there. The beauty of salvation is not that God doesn’t save all, but that He chose to save any at all. If all you are going on is your “feelings” on the matter, I would encourage you to look to the Bible which is our only standard of life and practice. What you think is irrelevant, we should base all of our beliefs on the teachings of Scripture.
emilie
please tell me what purpose is served by your speculation about the eternal destiny of the murdered unborn, in the sense that you feel they “might” go to hell….isn’t that trying to make Scripture say something it doesn’t say? it is true that all of us are born in a sinful state, but since God is just, loving, and compassionate – can’t we safely assume that the unborn are in His loving arms? any other possibility does not fit with the Lord of life, who said “do not forbid the little children to come unto me, for such is the kingdom of God”.
let’s get off of this rabbit trail. besides, how helpful is this line of reasoning of yours to a woman who has aborted a child, and now wants to repent and be forgiven….shall we cast doubt on her eventual reunion with her precious unborn child, who has been unjustly taken from this world before its time? i think not.
linda
thanks for a very encouraging and heartwarming post….
i find it revealing, as it pertains to the heart of our Lord, that the word “brephos” is used interchangeably in the new testament to describe both the born and unborn child.
Jerry,
To start, I am not speculating, I am very sure of my position. To say that unborn children have a sin nature but God overlooks it because of the circumstances surrounding their death, denies the justice of God. It also implies that we can do something to earn our salvation, which is absolutely untrue. I am not saying I know who ends up in heaven and who doesn’t, the Bible doesn’t reveal that. I am sick of people trying to be nicer than Jesus by saying things He did not say. I am not willing to lie about God to someone or appease the conscience of one who killed their own child. That would be sin. Is God kind and compassionate? To those He loves, yes He is. But He is also just and righteous and to be greatly feared. All I am saying is that it is God’s decision, not ours, and it is wrong of us to say He is unjust in doing so.
“(for the children not yet being born, not having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him who calls), it was said to her, “the older shall serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” So then it is not to him who wills, or him who runs, but of God who shows mercy… Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens…. But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to Him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honour and another for dishonour.” Romans 9:11-21
We are off topic here gang. I think we all agree that abortion is wrong and is murder – no matter what you believe happens to the child after death. If you wish, Emilie and Jerry, I will release your emails to each other so you can carry on the conversation via email.
If I may, though I agree that it is a side issue to abortion, which is all too real in THIS world – I would like to say something in response to Emilie and Rebecca. Do they think that everyone who lived before Christ – before ANYONE was given a Christian baptism or received Jesus Christ as Savior – went to Hell? What about Abraham? And all the other Godly people who lived before Christ? If they are assuming that God’s eternal judgment of non-Christians only applies to those in the Christian era – then what about babies who may have died in the womb of a Jewish woman during the three days between Christ’s death and resurrection? Would they be under the old covenant (presumably being saved), or under the new (presumably being condemned to Hell for not believing in Christ)? What about the moments immediately after the Resurrection? Would a baby – or anyone, for that matter – who died in the moments following Christ walking out of the grave, be sent to Hell for non-belief? Exactly when did God’s supposed policy of sending the non-baptized to Hell take effect? I’m realizing this could be an endless debate – however, having just read the original posts, I wanted to reply.
Elizabeth,
I would like to respect the webmaster in regards to this issue and not continue this debate. I never said one had to be baptized to go to heaven. If you would like to debate on this topic, feel free to send me a message at not_crazy1@yahoo.com
emilie
you say you’re sure of your position, but then go on to say that you don’t know who ends up in heaven and who does not.
the fact is that there are numerous groups that help women who have aborted to come to terms with what they have done, the sin they have committed, and the forgiveness and healing that is possible. usually the post-abortive women is not able to seek this kind of help for up to ten years after her abortion, due to what is called post-abortion syndrome. many of these women were lied to and decieved, or even forced to abort the child. a part of the healing process involves giving their child a name, and having the reassurance that they will meet their child someday.
would you deny them that hope, when by your own admission, you ‘don’t know’ what really happens to the unborn who are killed? please do a little research on PAS – sydna masse of ramah international has stated that at least 40% of the women in any given congregation are directly affected by abortion….they need help and compassion – hopefully not the speculation of others about the damnation of their children.
the president of ORW has written a book called “their blood cries out” and that comes from genesis, where the blood of righteous abel cried out to God for justice. and the blood of these babies also cries for justice. as i stated earlier, it is not consistent with the Lord of life to even hint at the prospect that unborn children go to hell after they are killed.
Oh my word, Jerry, oh my word. As I said in my last post, I would like to respect the webmaster in regards to this issue and not continue this debate. Although I will say your arguement is purely emotional, and you are not listening to what I am saying. If you would like to continue to debate on this topic, please send me a message at not_crazy1@yahoo.com, as I do not wish to offend the owners of this site by continuing a conversation that we have been asked to stop. Please respect my request.
Emile, the address you posted doesn’t work. Got another?
Jerry, hold on to your thoughts (and posts) until she posts another email — thanks.. I’ll be back-zapping soon :)
Blessings to you both! Oh look – a rabbit! ;)
It should be working now. Sorry about that! Not sure what happened. Please try it again… I don’t have another address I can post. not_crazy1@yahoo.com
alandra,
Abortionists are not “animals”. They are HUMANs that Christ died for in their sins. (Romans 5:8) We need no to dehumanize the abortionist to say that their crimes are ‘animalistic’, ‘monsterous’ are inhumane.
This type of dehumanization is falling into the trap of just what the abortionist does to allow for the willful killing of preborn children, dehumanization is just what the Nazis did to ‘justify’ their crimes of killing the Jews.
According to the Bible; these abortionists deserve execution by the government *as humans* for their crimes.
If they were animals, there would be no chance for Christ to redeem them. If they continue to be unrepentace, they will suffer the Lake of Fire.
Do not stoop to using Nazi/abortionist tactics
Amen Jerry!
Pete Larkin IS a blasphemous liar.
There IS life in preborn children. They grow, they develop, etc….
I wonder if those pieces of ash got saved. Perhaps a crime lab could identify what they actually are. Can’t the city officials do anything about this? I would think it is illegal to go spraying anything like that into the air regardless of the substance. It might be another angle to let this horrible abortion outfit know that the citizens are watching what happens there.
Steven
In December 1975, ten months after my own abortion, my high school religion class screened a film of a real-life first trimester abortion. It was hardly as graphic — or as clarifying — as a partial-birth abortion. It wasn’t gratuitous, nor did it seem partial to either side of this divisive issue. However, as I had already begun to harbor grave moral qualms, it was devastating to me. No one at my high school knew about the operation, of course, as I would have been expelled had my delicate condition been known. (I believe the school has since amended its archaic position, thank God.)
But the incinerated remains of human lives ended at Tiller’s Clinic have left me shaken — ending a long summer of discontent that has seen latent grief resurface after so long……deep and agonizing doubts demand further reflection…..and a newfound commitment to social activism on my part. Finally, I am at this time re-examining my painful — and grudging — acceptance of Roe Vs. Wade despite my current moral beliefs about the inception of human life.
I would like to reflect upon a very important statement Jerry made on this website recently: “If human life does not begin at conception, then what is fatherhood?” That, to be sure, is a powerful question that demands careful consideration. I have never heard a man state that his role in parenthood was less valid than the woman’s (unless you’re the man who married Yoko Ono). To attest that the male’s or the female’s role in conception is inherently more important — or that a male or female fetus is more valuable than the other — is like arguing the elemental supremacy of the right leg over the left. Of course, as we all know (and as I know all too acutely), many men do not care about their sacred role in creating new life or in ensuring its sanctity. The rapist, the father who sexually abuses his own daughter, and the man who would impregnate a mentally handicapped woman have all divorced themselves from their own humanity — much less their role in childbirth.
Yet aren’t the murky boundaries of Roe Vs. Wade another kind of moral and philosophical vacuity that shouldn’t be encouraged? It is a great, tragic leap to say, “I care about rape and incest victims, as well as women whose lives are in danger”; therefore, I must accept the 1973 decision on its face. President Bush does not take this stand; if he is re-elected, I hope he will ensure that our hospitals and physicians have the means to prevent pregnancies in these helpless victims of abominable crimes. Many years ago, the leadership of my Catholic parish assured me that, if a woman is raped, she would be able to seek treatment at a Catholic hospital (or any hospital) and receive pre-emptive treatment (I believe they called it a “uterine wash”) that would be 70-90% effective in preventing conception. I cannot abandon my concern for women, just as I cannot ignore my enhanced social conscience of late.
Someone told me recently on this Board that this battle “will not be won on sentiment.” Asking a post-abortive woman to abandon these qualities is like asking me to claim I became pregnant autonomously: it’s absurd on its face. So go ahead and call me a bleeding heart – and I shall unabashedly accept the moniker. And I’m sure I shall incur the derision of others on the opposite side of the fence. But I’m tired of being wishy-washy. I’m using my real name now. And if others don’t like it, shrew ‘em. I must be true to myself, even if no one else will.
Annette
I will be praying for the Lord’s healing on you tonight. He has a heart for the broken-hearted.
Steven
Thank you, Steven:
I appreciate your thoughtfulness and prayers. Let us also pray that God will guide the hearts and minds of our lawmakers, physicians and scientists to discern the evil attendant to abortion – and help us find a better way. Oh, and by the way……
Could you please ask Jesus why, since He can do so many stupendous things, He did not walk all over the water I had on the brain nearly 30 years ago and give me the cerebellum I have now? I must have been the dumbest straight-A student in western Kansas back then……..
Seriously though – I went to Church on Sunday – for the first time in 15 years. I can’t return to my former faith, as that would be having it both ways. But I attended services at a lovely church, and I have an appointment to meet with the pastor next Wednesday. I’m making progress!
Thank you again for your prayers, as I’m sure God hears them!
Good to hear Annette!
I am so sad. I cannot believe that there are human beings able to ritually commit this horrible process. I cannot imagine the mind set of the employees and the doctors of abortion clinics as they plan their week around the career called MURDER.
-amber k. anderson
For what it’s worth, I faxed a letter to Mayor Mayans’ office stating how upset I am at this burning incident. I faxed in 9-10-04 and so far have heard nothing back. Perhaps…the fax machine was busted? We should at least notify city leaders of our opinions.
Steven
abortion…why kill an innocent baby..what have they done to not deserve life. God has plans for everyone but..these babies haven’t even had a chance to discover their path of life..how could anyone in their right mind even consider hurting something so innocent and sweet!! If you can’t take the responsibility of a baby then don’t have sex..easy as that!! Yes..i understand that most teens get raped and decide to have a abortion..but have you ever really considered that half of that baby is you..it has half of you in them and you are killing the half that’s you..not the half of the rapist!! I can’t make anyone change their minds about abortion but please at least think about what your doing before you take a life that hasn’t even had a chance to live!!!!
thank you for listening to me and my opinion on abortions!
Jessica: Just a word of caution – and support – here. I agree with you about the evils of abortion – at least, I agree with you at this stage of my life. I had an abortion way back in early 1975 during those initial post-Roe Vs. Wade days when the moral boundaries of very early abortions were muddied. At no time did I believe I was destroying a life. I was a markedly nonviolent individual; indeed, that same year I accidentally slammed my beloved cat’s tail in the door, and I still haven’t forgiven myself to this day. I was painfully introverted and shy: Forget the old rule about women not speaking unless they were spoken to. I couldn’t speak even when I was spoken to. In truth, the only attributes my ex-boyfriend valued were my looks and another vagrant virtue, which don’t count for much when an unplanned pregnancy occurs. My doctor described my desperate situation as a “tragedy” (which indeed it was) but stated, “the uterus is enlarged” and stopped the philosophical discourse right there. The out-of-town doctor who performed the abortion erroneously provided this word of comfort to my distraught Mother: “She’s only in her first month” before perfunctorily performing the surgery. He said nothing else to me (nor did anyone else, for that matter). Someone shoved an IV into my veins, and I slept the slumber of unfettered innocence for the very last time……….
It’s hard to say exactly when the grave moral doubts began creeping in. But descend upon my soul they did – inexorably and unremittingly.
To be blunt, I can feel the disdain permeating your post, and in many cases it’s warranted. Many people are disrespectful of their own sexuality, and they exploit that of others. (You should probably also include negligent fathers in your condemnation as well…….) Jessica, I did not “make the decision to have sex” way back in November 1974. I had never even held hands or danced with a member of the opposite sex when I ventured on my first date – and experienced date rape at the age of 16. Not only that, but I was too unsophisticated, naive and, well, dumb….to know it. So now I also suffer the ignominy of knowing I could have offset the ensuing tragedy had I been smart enough – and self-confident enough – and a wiser judge of character. I wasn’t. I tried to be strong….I obtained birth control pills with the babysitting money I had earned in the summer of 1974. I tried to stand up to the young man I loved madly. But I failed. I continued seeing this sub-Mongol mutant, and sure enough, I became pregnant one month later.
Like every tired cliche you’ve ever heard (and then some), he refused to acknowledge the pregnancy and not only abandoned me but engaged in such vile verbal sadism that it cannot be repeated here (most of it, anyway). I must say, it’s quite a singular experience to go to the doctor, have one’s worst fears confirmed, return home, and find out via a phone call that my ex was enjoying a raucous laugh at my expense. Someone had erroneously told him his agonized ex-girlfriend had attempted suicide, and he thought it was uproariously funny. I was utterly devastated, to put it mildly. Complicating matters, I would have been expelled from my Catholic high school had the pregnancy been known.
I was desperate, very young, emotionally battered and I had bought into the haziness of Roe Vs. Wade – like scores of other people. When a solution was offered, I took it. I also made a vow to never allow that situation to recur. It didn’t. Therefore, I am probably not a worthy recipient of your disdain; conversely, my ex probably is. (He should probably also be in prison, too. That’s the kind of impossible desire one has about these things….)
Please do not ever underestimate the painful legacy enacted by rape or any form of sexual abuse. It takes a monumental toll upon one’s soul that took me years to discern – much less recover from. Do I believe it exonerates me from the abortion? No, I do not. One cannot use abject stupidity to cry rape where rape does not exist, even if it existed one month before. Nearly thirty years have passed, but I hope I never forget the person I was then – still a good person with good intentions, but clearly misguided about this very important cultural dilemma. And clearly a young lady with an alarming lack of self-esteem and assertiveness. Harshness and condemnation don’t help matters, especially when directed at the young. Love, understanding…..and unyielding moral constancy (i.e., authority figures who ruled out abortion) would have helped immeasurably in my situation.
Let us all continue to fight against the evils attendant to abortion. Indeed, for many of us, our social/spiritual conscience demands it. However, let us endeavor to express ourselves with more mercy and Christ-like compassion for those who have had abortions (or those who have been involved in any way). There is strength in numbers, and we must make our voices count without causing more pain to those who, like myself, have suffered acutely from abortion’s cruel litany.
Still and all, I share your horror about abortion, because I’ve been there. I have never repeated that mistake: not only because I believe it to have been gravely wrong, but because I would not survive another dark night of the soul like that one, not ever again.
I have spent some time reading all the postings and the article before it. I was appalled when I read someone actually believed the unborn was not a baby or alive. I was sorrowed to think that someone else actually believed that the innocent life that was taken was burning in hell. And my heart goes out to Annette and the pain that has stayed with her so long. I have this tall, wonderful, 24 year old son who is my best friend and I am so proud of him. The doctor told me there was no way I could have him, my body could not bear a child after the surgery I had. I also had a stage four cancer on my cervix that had recurred. I opted to have my child. It was hard but God made a way. I wish there was a way to tell others that He will make a way for them too. He is an awesome, forgiving God, who will forgive all whether they perform the abortions or have one but they have to ask for it. We need to be sounding the warning that our nation will come under His wrath for the atrocity that is being committed to the unborn. America needs to repent and we all need to be on our knees crying out for mercy for our nation.
Linda: You have my profound respect for the courage and moral fortitude you exuded more than 24 years ago. Continuing your pregnancy, avoiding abortion, and giving birth must have been a wondrous, difficult journey, but you prevailed! I do hope that your cancer is either in remission or fully healed. Obviously, you deserve this. (There are many new treatments that weren’t available decades ago.) And, I certainly hope and expect that your son respects the sacrifices his Mother made to give him the most precious gift, the gift of life.
Doctors don’t know everything, do they?????
I’m afraid I endured a disconcerting experience on Wednesday evening – one that underscores my heartfelt belief that we must choose our leaders wisely. Whether in business, civic or spiritual matters, it’s so vital that our authority figures possess the requisite “people skills” to inform consciences, galvanize others for the common good, and seek to convert hearts and minds from the lingering darkness of misinformation and doubt, when and if it is possible to do so.
Wednesday’s conversation – with the Rector of a church I had been visiting – left me disspirited, I’m afraid. When I first met him weeks ago, he conveyed that he too was an ex-Catholic (and a former priest at that) and that he would like to meet with me to discuss his church, our shared ex-Catholicism, etc. To be sure, I alluded to a pervasive issue that touched my own life nearly 30 years ago. I didn’t mention it by name, but Forrest Gump should have been able to discern it. But I wasn’t meeting with someone as sweet as poor old Forrest. Oh, no……
When I met with this educated, well-respected cleric, it was clear he was taken aback by the unexpected sadness that overtook me this summer. I held my own with this holy man and displayed no overt emotionality. But I was impassioned – and I stood my ground. He seemed disdainful. He evinced incredulity that “the great sacrament of penance” I received in 1977 didn’t “heal me more fully.” When I first asked him about his own position on this monumental moral issue, he stared at me coldly and refused to answer. “I’ll answer that question later,” he dourly intoned.
In an incredible bit of churchly chauvinism, he seemed more intent on grilling me about my ex-Catholicism than he seemed to care about my response to the abortion so many years ago – and my renewed grief this summer. This despite the fact that his bookcase bore mute – and powerful – evidence of his departure from Rome. Finally, I had had enough of that cosmic cant and reminded him of his earlier promise to state his position on abortion. If I expected a libertine (and I did not expect this), I was mistaken. His own views were in congruence with mine. Yet he refused to speak any more about the issue – or listen to my own elaborations about this. When I mentioned clinic chaplains (WITHOUT mentioning any names or even locations), he angrily cut me off – much like the nuns once excoriated me in 1972 when my uniform was knee-level instead of two inches below. “You seem pretty darned judgmental, don’t you?” he snapped. I was quite taken aback, as I had made every effort to be humble and convey my regard for my fellow man, even if his or her vocation caused me great pain. The princely ex-priest even took offense to my statement that “this issue is a singular one, one that I will probably never encounter again in my lifetime.” He glared at me and refused to answer.
He then stated that he agreed with me that I should use my history to help others, but with a rather cutting disclaimer that “I don’t know if you’d be any good, anyway.” I knew I had seen his expression somewhere, and it was probably on Mount Rushmore after a Krakatoa-like natural disaster. Although certainly not abusive or even cruel, his expression never changed – nor did he ever budge from his psychic torpor. He absolutely refused to further discuss his own views on this issue – over and above a brief statement about life beginning at conception.
As if the evening’s absurdities weren’t complete, he then criticized ME for acquiescing to his preference that we meet in the evening, owing to his busy schedule. I politely reminded him of our earlier conversation, and he snapped, “That was MY call!” I agreed, and stated that I had wished to be flexible to his schedule. He then waved me off (literally) as if swatting away redundant flies. Then he demanded, “Why do you care about what I think about abortion? Why does it matter to you, anyway?” Rather nonplussed, I replied that, in my experience, church leaders set – and enforce – the moral code for their flock. You should have seen the look I got. He had the grace not to say, “You didn’t tell me you were just a dumb broad,” but that’s the impression I got.
He then gave me a prayer book that was mine – all mine – to keep, so I guess this lamentable discourse wasn’t a total wash. We all have our respective strengths and weaknesses. And it wasn’t necessarily what he said – or didn’t say – that was the problem here. It was the dismissive manner in he conducted himself. It was most unfortunate. This gentleman is not responsible for my history of depression, nor for my seismic summer, but clearly a measure of sensitivity was indicated here.
If any of you out there are involved in outreach ministries or are clergymen yourselves, please heed my advice. If someone is respectfully seeking your counsel and conducts themselves with great dignity (as I know I did), at least grant them the most cursory of common courtesies.
As I’m no longer the Stepford stepchild of the 1970s who could have inspired the Taliban, I couldn’t leave without a little zinger of my own. When the godly cleric mentioned – yet again – his incredulity over my concern about his views on abortion, I looked at him and said, “Well, you rarely allowed me to finish my sentences when I tried to elaborate. Frankly, sir, I’m stupefied with your stupefaction.” For once, his expression transformed. He looked chagrined. He looked chastized. He looked like a little boy (albeit a 10-year-old with a full beard) who’d just been caught raiding the cookie jar.
I then caught a cab and returned home, somewhat dissillusioned and more than a little let down. Whew – we live in a strange world, do we not????
annette
sounds like the good rector should consider another line of work. compassion for one’s flock is a prerequisite for clergy, and those who lack that compassion can hardly be effective.
one thing i would suggest is that you meet with a female counselor or two, because a woman is likely to have more empathy for you than a man, although i would say that a pastor should be able to help regardless. clearly, the one you met with is totally uninformed on issues relating to abortion and its attendant heartaches, pain, and emotional trials – admitting when life begins is the tiniest of baby steps, if you will. and a man of the cloth should be further along in his growth on the most important issue of our time.
my guess is that he’s bitter with his past (Catholicism) and sees everything through that prism, and even important moral issues are cloudy for him as a result.
i admire you for your courage in confronting him however. perhaps the Lord will use that to
eventually cause the scales to fall from his eyes.
Thanks, Jerry:
As always, you’ve given wise counsel. But, here’s the kicker, if you will: The rector concurred with my moral stance on abortion. He refused, however, to discuss it beyond his rather succinct assessment of this vast issue.
Moreover, his own flock adores him – I heard it again and again.
I’m afraid that, speaking from a selfish standpoint (which isn’t always avoidable) – this experience was bad, very bad. Because the last time I had spoken to a clergyman in private was way back in June 1989. In that case, the priest was a lovely man who treated me well but interjected a rather alarming verbal incongruity into the proceedings. I really wasn’t angry – but was certainly taken aback and no fool, either. So I did what any mature individual should do – I gently steered the conversation back to where it should have remained. I’ll never forget that priest – he was so very kind, overworked, morally conflicted about several Vatican edicts (it didn’t take a rocket scientist for this former parishioner to have seen that), and committed to his faith and “remaining a priest” – by his own admission.
The rector on Wednesday was clearly happy with his life, allowed no off-topic statements to enter the conversation……and treated me deplorably. Who’s more errant? The question begs reflection.
As always, though, thanks for your wisdom. Hopefully, I’ll soon be in a better of frame of mind to properly reflect upon it.
annette
i always appreciate your candor, but the webmaster on this site will probably remove the last few posts from each of us, since the ‘rules’ are that we stick to the topic of the link.
if you want to continue this conversation, please email me directly.
Jerry: I believe with heartfelt conviction that you and I are staying on topic. When a health care clinic burns the incinerated remains of human life, I believe this demands careful (i.e., critical) examination by our clergy – ALL clergy. And when that clergyman displays the dispassionate, disinterested air of intellectual snobbishness toward a new member of his flock – and the lukewarm temperature of hermaphroditic elevator music toward this topic in particular – I believe it’s a tragic misstep.
So, I think we are staying on course. I mean, when an earlier post to this thread (at least I think it was this thread, if memory serves) refers to women who have abortions as “animals” – using a locker-room term to boot – and that post is allowed to remain, then I think that people who are more measured and intelligent in their verbiage, as you and I are, (and as Ron is), should be allowed to retain their posts, even if they deviate slightly from the original message.
I’m still going to church tomorrow, but I haven’t decided if I’m going to the milquetoast minister’s ministrations – or the larger cathedral downtown. I’m probably going to opt for the latter……masochism has no place in my life.
annette
i defer to your overview – in retrospect, you’re right. have a blessed day!
Hello, Jerry:
I hope you had a wonderful weekend and church service yesterday. Fortunately, I was able to return to church, too (but not the same exact location as Rector RectalRetentive, though…not quite up to seeing his dour face and the intellectual superiority that goes with it……). I’ve had a very powerful experience recently in which the Holy Spirit (or God, or His Son, or the Blessed Trinity itself) infused my life yet again. And that was a very good thing indeed. I’ll try to send you an E-Mail after work today.
God bless,
Annette
Dear Annette…
I will be praying so the Holy Spirit will give you the strength & courage to return to the ONE, TRUE, CATHOLIC CHURCH! I hope you can find a good Catholic Priest (one in GOOD standing with the Pope) to guide you & be your spiritual adviser. You will feel so much better after you have made a GOOD Confession in the Sacrament of Reconciliation and then receive Jesus’ TRUE BODY & BLOOD in Holy Communion at Mass.
May Jesus & Mary & all the Saints be with you & help you!
Love & Prayers, Carole
Carole:
As I am sure you are well-intentioned – and as I spent 13 years as an impassioned Catholic (a convert at that) – I appreciate your good wishes and concern here.
However, I must firmly point out that I did indeed receive absolution (from a priest VERY much in good standing with the Pope; in fact, probably even more strident than our current Pope on some matters) for this event way back in 1977. I confessed, admitted sorrow, and steadfastly committed myself to avoiding this transgression (I have). Did it make me “feel better?”
It did at the time.
Yet I’m experiencing renewed grief of late, so it clearly wasn’t a panacea. Moreover, I left the Church at Christmas of 1989, so I’m in a rather difficult position here. I refuse to denigrate something that’s obviously so deeply meaningful to you – and was once the only happiness I knew in life. (That’s no longer the case, thank goodness.)
The reasons for my defection are both more complex – and more simple – than they were in 1989. I won’t discuss them here. Suffice it to say that I cannot return – to do so would be dishonest. I’m sure you’re familiar with the term “Cafeteria Catholic.” I cannot assuage my angst by doing this, it just doesn’t work that way and was never an option I could consider.
Thank you again for your concern, and best wishes to you. I hope your faith never disillusions or disappoints, but rather lifts you up and blesses your life.
vimax
are we to infer from your post, that since abortion was forced upon america by seven men in black robes, and never voted on by the people,
that perhaps the people, if allowed to vote on this matter, would vote to protect human life at all stages of development?
if so, i’m inclined to agree.
otherwise, i have no idea what you are talking about.
Annette…
Your welcome….
No, I have NO FEAR whatever of my Catholic Faith ever disappointing me in any way….our FAITH is the most PRIZED POSESSION we have on this earth!!! And it is the ONLY THING that will MATTER after we die & stand alone before our God!!!
God Bless us and Mary keep us…..Carole
Carole: If you’re ever in the vicinity of Hays, Kansas – you may wish to visit St. Joseph’s Church on 13th street. My beautiful Mother, who converted in 1977, is still an active congregant. She also leads an evangelization program, along with my stepfather and others. I just know you’d really like my Mother, as she is a woman of rare grace, goodness and decency – as well as a devout Catholic.
As I stated, I’m no longer Catholic, but I still retain some of my fondness for its dignity and majesty. Moreover, I very much appreciate – and am comforted by – the Pope’s exhortations to women who have had abortions. (Lamentably, his predecessor(s) were not nearly as eloquent.)
When the Pope visited my city in January 1999, I experienced an unanticipated reaction. As I viewed one of his television appearances, I was saddened by his illness and obvious debility. When one local parishioner approached His Holiness, I could not help but observe the deep regard, concern and love on her face. Suddenly, I began weeping – great heaving sobs from somewhere deep in my soul. I cried for a solid hour; I cried for the toll that his illness has taken on the Pontiff, as I remember him as a vibrant younger man, glowing with health and vitality.
I could not heed his pleas to local ex-Catholics to return to the fold, but I could retain a great deal of regard and compassion. Indeed, I believe that concern for others is something we all owe our Creator – no matter what our particular faith may be.
God bless,
Annette
Annette…
I’m concerned WHY you couldn’t heed the Holy Father’s plea to return to the Catholic church…as I’m SURE your Mother is very worried about you…the worst SORROW of a parent is to see their children fall out of church! Carole
Carole:
Please….accept and respect my heartfelt wish to avoid criticism of your church (and my former faith). When I took instruction classes in Catholicism in the waning weeks of 1976, the priest (a lovely man with great intelligence and humor) nevertheless severely intoned: “You cannot join this church if you do not accept EVERY teaching.” At the time, at age 18, I convinced myself to submit to the Pope’s authority, even though I had grave concerns about at least one Vatican proscription.
I very nearly left the Church in 1980, owing to this very issue. By Christmas of 1989, suffice it to say that I could no longer accept every church teaching – nor can I do so now.
As for my Mother’s concerns: Her own priest (including our former confessor, who is now studying in Rome), would say the following about me: While not condoning my defection, it is clear that I did so not out of hatred or emotional violence against the Church, but only after agonizing, careful and protracted reflection. Therefore, they do not tell her that her daughter is going to hell – any more than anyone on this Board who is not Catholic is going to hell. Rather, they tell her that God will judge me, just as he judges the hearts and consciences of all of us.
I cannot allow myself to have it both ways, Carole: However, I repeat – and this truly coming from the heart of hearts: I am happy for you that you have found such peace in your faith. May it continue to enrich your life – in plentiful abundance!
God Bless,
Annette
Annette
Yes, as a Catholic we are required to believe everything taught by Scripture & Our Holy Father, whom God speaks thru, to us.
Our Catholic church has been around since Jesus Christ started it, when He was on earth…and it is the same now as then…so it is very important to believe ALL sacred teachings in scripture!!
Otherwise we are saying we are smarter than God Himself!! :(
Remember that is why lucifer fell from Heaven for disbuting God! :(
Please don’t get me wrong…I’m NOT judging you in any way…(who am I to judge!!??) and the priest is RIGHT in saying only God can judge you, as only HE sees into your heart! :)
I’m wondering….do you have just one dispute against the Pope or a general disagreement of matters?? Maybe you could find a good confessor to talk matters over with?? To help you understand more about the faith…I’ve been a Catholic all my life (many years) & I’m STILL learning more good things about my Faith each day!! It’s well worth the time & effort to try to SOLVE your problem…don’t you think?? :) Because once you are a Catholic, you are a Catholic FOREVER…(active or inactive.)
Do you have access to the TV network EWTN?? I so wish you could tune into this station (it’s on 24/7)and soak in the TRUTH of the Catholic Faith…I’m sure that’s what keeps us holy…to feed our SOULS each day as well as our bodies!! :)
I’m keeping you in my prayers… :)
I see you are named after St. Ann, the Mother of Our Heavenly Mother, Mary. Please ask her for her help & guidance!! I will too….
Love & Prayers…
May God Bless us & Mary keep us!
Carole
PS. I don’t really understand what you mean, when you say “I can’t have it both ways”.??
Hello, Carole:
“Having it both ways” means accepting the benefits of a situation – without undertaking the necessary responsibilities that the benefactor requires. One example would be the following:
I excoriate my ex-boyfriend (and rightly so) for his refusal to deal with my pregnancy so many years ago – not to mention the five other pregnancies he caused in five different teenage girls during the 1970s. Having confessed to the sin of abortion, however, it would be equally dishonest for me to have another abortion, especially if the father pleaded with me not to do so and was willing to accept his responsibilities. That is not standing up for one’s principles – that’s having it both ways. Many honorable men are justifiably angry that the law allows them no voice once their women become pregnant – and I concur with them.
But, Carole, I also believe it’s honorable to own up to one’s disagreements with several Church teachings, acknowledge that this difficulty precludes my returning to the faith, and concurrently respect the rights of Catholics to love and cherish their faith. I simply will not discuss the reasons for my leaving the Church; it’s more important, in my view, that people of ALL faiths come together like a mighty gale – expressing our grave doubts about abortion and living exemplary lives. I’m sure you are already doing so, but we need more and more people to join us.
As I told the Rector (or tried to, anyway – it was kind of tough to transcend his icy stare), this issue is unlike any other. So many people can’t “see” or “get” the evils implicit in abortion. And people like myself, who have experienced it, with all its insidious and unexpected aftermath, truly need to speak out.
The same ole, same ole pro life line that is so erroneous to the detriment of you hyppocrites.
LIFE DOES NOT BEGIN AT CONCEPTION!!!!
It is the arrogance of the AMERICAN church that believes this LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL! Your forefathers first disreguarded life to get the the point America is in today. YOU NEED TO REPENT BEFORE ANY ABORTION ‘DOCTOR’ because you have a LOG in your own eye the L-rd sees, church, before you effectively pull the speck out of the other killer’s eye.
To say that life begins at conception puts YOU in the place of GOD. ARE YOU GOD? DOES LIFE BEGIN WITH YOU, AMERICIAN CHURCH ?
Do you make people be born again? Your theology is all wrong. You pro lifers have probably killed as much life as the abortionist. Read the
words of the LORD and REPENT AMERICA!
Proverbs 23:22 Harken unto THY FATHER that begat thee… Listen to your FATHER WHO GAVE YOU LIFE…
JOB 10:10 Hast Thou not poured me out as milk, and curdled me like
cheese?
(Job speaks of himself as semen)
Hebrews 7:10 For he was yet in THE LOINS OF HIS FATHER, when
Melchisedec met him.
Life is in the seed, the gospel, not in the womb or in the meeting
thereof,life is nutured in the womb, but does NOT begin there…. to believe so puts you in the place of G-d.
if you respected life you would not kill the seed. “Be fruitful and multiply…”
SELAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In regards to the post before this one. Naqui. I pray for mercy upon your soul. Satan has truly blinded you to the truth and you have fallen hard for his drivel. Life DOES begin at conception!!!! You are quick to quote scripture but you conveniently left out Psalm 139:13-17!!!! Try reading it!!! How can you look at the background wallpaper on this site and not believe that abortion is murder? I will pray that the Lord removes the scales from your eyes so that you may see CLEARLY!!
Julie
The moronic regurgitation from the mouth of Satan’s emissary, “Naqui” is nauseating! The Devil has memorized ALL Scripture, and regularly quotes it (out of context) to his children, among whom is a poor, blind dumb waif named “Naqui.” That is how we all got into the “fallen” state by our first births, i.e., Satan came to Eve and deliberately misquoted God’s Word to her; and, of course, since she was NOT in the place God had placed her, e.g., BESIDE Adam, she showed her own ignorance of the Word, and added a little word of her own, “all” … The LORD God of Heaven is not asleep, and He weeps as His precious babies are butchered by maniacs with the support of selfish politicians’ and ignorant cowards who piously prate flowery platitudes of faux holiness! God will not forget this humanistic treason against His Holy creation! All those who viciously butcher His precious gifts of life will bite their tongues in indescribable agony ….. alone in their well-deserved misery ….. FOREVER!!!!!! The ultimate victory belongs to the precious babies who were victims of this infinite holocaust, i.e., the little innocent babies themselves….they are in His very presence now, and will be forever!
you two have obviously misunderstood.
your eyes are blinded to your own sin.
I believe in life. your lie is that it begins at conception. I believe abortion is murder, who said I didn’t?
You, in your self-righteous, didn’t REALLY READ my post!
I believe scripture clearly says it begins
BEFORE CONCEPTION.
that is where you all have been murderers. how many children have YOU pro lifers killed with the pill? Fertilized eggs are shed more than once a year with this wicked birth control. Call it seed control. Life control. Man setting himself in the place of God as the life giver, life taker. The same hebrew word Job refers to himself as semen is also used for children in Ps. 139. It is a child. Are you so dull you couldn’t understand the Hebrews passage I quoted? Children are in the loins (seed sack, testicles) of men.
Romans 1 talks about how women exchange their natural use for that which is unnatural. Women have breasts and wombs. Today’s American ‘christian’ women reject their natural use God made for them and choose an unnatural one….. BARRENESS. Or picking and choosing what seed (child) they will let grow in their womb. God said be fruitful and MULTIPLY, not add. How many children are dead today because the American church chooses to NOT GIVE A PLACE for life to be nurtured and form in a woman’s womb.
Does dirt make a flower? It is the seed you idiots!!
Does the church make a person be born again? This is the arrogant lie of the American church that has gone off and left God way behind. It is the seed of the gospel!! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND??
Read my first post again….. He who has an ear let him hear
Yuck, Dr. Tiller is indeed a heartless individual. Not human at all. What I mean is he acts like he is not human at all. He acts like a heartless ghoul. There are no words to describe that. As I read the article, I could feel my heart break and I was crying inside. Those were human living babies not just some blobs of tissue. Those are human babies that do not deserve to be killed, then be burned like trash.
This was so hard for me to read and look at. I just can’t believe that there are some people(if you call them that) that still believe abortion is right. What about all these unborn babies rights? I look at people that would do anything to have a baby and can’t, and then look at all these babies that are being destroyed. Its time for all of us Christians to put a stop to this murdering society once and for all. We need to protect our unborn babies.