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People talk about the rights of women. However, what about the rights of the unborn? These must be the rights to be protected.
Murder is illegal, right? So, how come abortion isn’t? After all, isn’t that what you are doing? Killing an innocent child that you helped create just because you don’t want it. You are the one to blame, not the child. So instead of killing your mistake give the child a chance. Adoption is an excellent choice.
I understand that you are just trying to show your views, but what happened to freedom of choice? I personally am against abortion and will fight long and hard about how it’s wrong. But you guys are out harassing people to try to get them to stop. Ruining someone’s life isn’t going to help people understand. I just don’t understand you guys…
denise
the woman who drowned her five kids in texas was excercising freedom of choice, technically speaking.
the question is, what choices will be allowed and what choices will not be allowed.
if it were legal to throw three year olds down the stairs, would we not oppose that in whatever way we could, until such time as the law was changed to protect those kids?
cpc’s fight abortion by providing caring loving alternatives. orw fights abortion by exposing and confronting the very people who make it possible and who benefit financially from it.
perhaps the shame of having it publicly pointed out that there is blood on one’s hands will cause that person or business to cease involvement with baby killing.
I am 19 years and i was abopted i don’t know who my real moter is. all i can is even though i haven’t met her i would like to thank her for giving me life and giving me to a loving famly. if she had an abortion i wouldn’t be here right now telling u people this. Pro Life is the way to be. and nothing is every gonna change the way i feel about being against abortion.
dude jerry how can you honestly compare the lady who drowned her kids and someone who needs an abortion? im just curious.
I’ll pray for all you folks here at Operation Rescue.
May god forgive you for your sins
mike
first of all, your use of the word ‘needs’ is curious….no one truly ‘needs’ an abortion, with the rare possible exception of a woman’s life being in danger, and even then, the best course of action is to prematurely birth the baby, and try to save them both.
but to address your point – melody green said it best – “abortion is no different than throwing your three year old down the stairs”.
the woman who drowned her kids decided she didn’t want to be a mother. that is the proabortion ethic. and she acted on her convictions, and snuffed out their lives. that is the proabortion ethic. the only difference between what she did an abortion is the age of the children, their location, and level of development.
are those reasons enough to allow killing in one situation, and condemn it in another?
i don’t think so.
tguichar
what sins are those? exposing evil for what it is?
i’m not sure who you’ll be praying to, but the God of scripture does not condone baby killing.
perhaps you’d do better to pray that your own eyes be opened and that you would see the evil these pictures represent. God has been known to heal blind people, especially those who are spiritually blind, as you clearly are.
Jerry, you mention that abortion might be acceptable in order to save the mother’s life, but then suggest the best option is to force a premature birth and try to save both. That is not always realistic. I am a high-risk labor and delivery nurse and have worked in high-risk nurseries caring for extrememly premature babies, so I KNOW what I am talking about. Our limits of viability are now at about the 22nd week. Although not common, pregnancy is LETHAL to some women who have pre-existing cardiac or respiratory diseases or aggresively growing cancers (delaying fetus-killing chemo for even a few weeks IS life-threatening). So would an abortion to save the mom be wrong if it was before viability (right now, that is about 22 weeks)? I don’t see how you can morally demand any person to seriously risk her life by either delaying treatment or coninueing a life-threatening pregnancy to viability to possibly save another’s life. Although much admired, that has never been a moral imperative in any version of christianity or other religion I’ve ever heard of. And please realize that mental illness is as life-threatening as physical illness. For some women, pregnancy worsens mental stability and puts them in grave danger. This is not a sham excuse–suicide is a real danger of worsening depresssion and other mental illnesses.
So please don’t make OTHER people suffer for YOUR moral choices–after all, they have to live with their choices, not you. klb
Thank You. Your truck in Chicago is very effective. Abortion is the issue that most tipifies our country’s moral and world view. God have mercy.
klb
the problem with your reasoning is that it’s pure sophistry, for the most part. many doctors prefer to recommend abortion rather than risk malpractice lawsuits, which are routinely brought by greedy trail lawyers like john edwards, and as a consequence, a lot of pregnancies are aborted that really are not any more high risk than the average pregnancy. also, the lawsuits and malpractice concerns are contributing to a decline in doctors who are willing to deliver babies, and that is an absolute travesty.
furthermore, the statistics show that approximately two percent of all abortions fall under the following categories, combined: rape, incest, life of the mother, and fetal abnormality.
that means that the other 98% are performed on perfectly healthy women carrying perfectly healthy babies – ie: birth control. and that is outrageous, by any standards. prolifers use the term ‘abortion on demand’ which covers the 98% figure.
people like you who focus on the 2% and then try to get everyone to accept the other 98% are being intellectually dishonest.
furthermore, post-abortion syndrome is much more threatening to a woman’s mental, physical, and emotional health than giving birth, any day of the week. unarguable, backed up by years of research and thousands of testimonies. you need to do your homework on this. dozens of groups (with members in the tens of thousands) of post abortive women exist that have documented this and publicly speak out about the harm abortion has done to them. try going to some of their websites (www.helpafterabortion.com, http://www.poorchoice.org, etc…), or you can click on the link on this site documenting dozens of deaths of women from legal abortions. then you factor in the breast cancer link, and abortion, i’m sorry to tell you, is NOT in the best interest of the woman.
everett koop, a pediatrian who was our surgeon general for many years, stated that in 36 of delivering babies (and he delivered thousands) he never ever had even one occasion where it was necessary to kill the baby in order to save the mother.
the final paragraph should’ve read:
“everett koop, a pediatrian who was our surgeon general for many years, stated that in 36 years of delivering babies (and he delivered thousands) he never ever had even one occasion where it was necessary to kill the baby in order to save the mother.”
Thanks
i feel a national christian boycott(refuse taxes)of a government legitimizing this murder is the fundamental way to deliver a death blow to roe vs. wade. 50 million christians could stand like men and threaten to financially break those responsible for breaking these kids in the womb. since money is their god, the law would probably be reversed overnight.anything less is probably collaboration by every taxpayer.
What you people fail to understand is that not everyone is a Christian. You have no right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body, regardless of how much you disapprove, simply because it is against your religion . “God” does not dictate how everyone lives because everyone does not believe in your god, and it certainly should have any place in a goverment or court system that has to represent everyone, not just Christians.
Abortion should be illegal b/c it is against Gods wanting a child to live for he knew us before the heavens and earth was created! You Will Not Be going to heaven if you do abort a child!
brandon
think you really weighed in with a solid point, don’t you?
i’m sorry to inform you, but you have no idea what you are talking about. there are three levels on which to argue the abortion issue -
philosophical, religious, and scientific. let’s just take the first two off the table for the sake of argument.
that leaves scientific, or biological. and in this area, abortion is clearly murder, because the unborn is every bit as human as you or i, from the earliest point. that child has its own heart beating at only three weeks after conception, and is distinctly different from its mother in every way. all the child needs is time and nutrition. nothing is added.
as far as the ridiculous sophistry about ‘a woman’s body’, i assume you are regularly campaigning for the legalization of all drugs by women? and for the legalization of prostitution?
because those things have to do with a woman’s body, too, and are illegal.
abortion kills a child, and should be illegal except to save a mother’s life.
as far as your godless expressions, that is another argument for another time and another site.
So women cant have abortions because it stops the creation of life? are you gonna be on the bandwagon for burning the queers next cuz it keeps women from making new babies? is the next step outlawing condoms because sperm is almost life? when will it stop?
Well if a woman shouldn’t be told what or how to treat her body, then shouldn’t everyone be allowed to kill people because who are you or the government to tell me how I handle road rage or my everyday life. I should be able to kill whoever I want cause it’s my choice, oh dear God I hope we will never have that right but isnt that the same thing. How dare you tell me how to live my life.
Hi, this is my first time posting. I am a young person devoted to the life and well being of all of God’s creation. I am posting because I feel that many in the ProLife movement are devoting a lot of energy to a good cause, but in the wrong direction. Abortion providers Do commit murder, there is no doubt. But the number of children that surgeons murder and mutilate is tiny compared to the producers and users of toxic substances. Cigarettes and alchohol are only the tip of the iceburg. Much more insidious are the emissions from underregulated industries. The argricultural/horticultural chemicals are responsible for far more spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) and birth defects than surgical procedures. Atrazine, glyphosphate (Round Up TM), 2,4-D (Crossbow TM) and other commonly used herbicides have been shown to increase the risk of spontaneous abortion 400%! (see emcon.ca/health) The rates of reported miscarriages in the Imperial Valley of California, a major ag area, are higher than the reported surgical abortions in the state of California. And that is among the farm workers, a population made up mostly of illegal immigrants. The number of unreported miscarraiges is probably higher as the illegal immigrants can’t afford or are reluctant to receive prenatal care for fear of being deported. When we talk about choice, shouldn’t we have the choice to have a child without the risk of our workplace forcing potentialy lethal chemicals upon our unborn?
didn’t you people ever stop to think about what a waste of time all this is? god doesn’t exist. it’s just an idea someone put in your head. you’ve only got so much time here on earth. stop wasting it on bullshit.
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Ok, I think its time for me to explain why christian reconstructionist are against abortion.
First, today, the christian right sees its membership falling off in churches and has calculated that there will come a day when there will be a lot fewer people in the fundamentalist churches. The fundies cannot accept this and they have gone looking for an excuse. My my there is this thing called abortion. Maybe the reason we are loosing people, they say, is that abortion is the cause. Then they get to thinking. It may not be so bad to have fewer people, it would help a bit for building overhead.
I suspect if it were this simple the christian right would not care. but what happened is that the christian right then saw that each person is a potential 10% tithe. Then they saw that with the losses they were suffering that their tithe money was also going out the door.
So, the christian right opposes abortion because it is robbing them of their precious tithes.
Sorry for being so blunt but this is the real reason the christian right hates abortion.
To duff;
Induced abortion, a.k.a. feticide (as opposed to spontaneous abortion, a.k.a. miscarriage) should be outlawed for several reasons.
One is that induced abortion is the deliberate, premeditated taking of an innocent human life. This would be inhumane and unjust even if the U.S. Constitution did not stipulate that noone should be deprived of life without a fair trial and conviction of a capital offense. Noone in his right mind views mere existence as a capital offense; as evidence of this, all the pro-abortion apologists I’ve ever read or heard (including yourself) were alive themselves, and would loudly object to any sort of violence against them.
Another is that you do not create or promote a civilized, compassionate, or just society (you know, the kind we all want to live in ourselves, even if some want it denied to others) by permitting the strong to exploit and harm the weak with impunity, which is the intent and result of every legal induced abortion. (Didn’t we learn anything from the Nuremburg trials ???!)
Another strong argument in favor of outlawing induced abortion is the fact that women are endangered by it. It does not cure, treat, or prevent any recognized disease, but thousands of women have been injured, maimed, incapacitated, and killed by these “procedures”, since Roe v. Wade.
Even strong pro-aborts, when confronted with the evidence against legalized feticide, have said that abortion is “a sad, even tragic choice” which should be “safe, legal, and rare”. The best way to make it comparatively safe is to outlaw it; abortionists were much more careful to avoid “botch-ups” when their activities were illegal, so as to avoid detection and jail terms.
And, one proven method of making anything rarer is to make it illegal, and enforce those laws.
So it can be rare and maybe minimally safer, or it can be legal; it can’t be both.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but Christians are opposed to homosexual activity because it is profoundly destructive to humanity physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually and, yes, reproductively. It’s awfully useful, though, for population control freaks since it kills so many of its participants, and they don’t reproduce. (And you thought it was really about “respecting others”? Wake up, kiddo, wake up.)
As to burning condoms, that would probably be healthier than promoting their use, since they are generally used as a barrier against responsiblity/consequences, but certainly those who promote the lies that they offer a significant measure of protection against pregnancy or against AIDS and some other STD’s, that pregnancy is an std itself, etc., should be punished by law for seducing their fellow into harm’s way. You might want to talk to Planned Parenthood about that; One recent report indicated that, of some 23 varieties of condoms tested for their effectiveness as barriers against both disease and pregnancy (again, they aren’t the same thing), the types favored by PP “clinics” were those with the poorest ratings…
The bottom line is that parenthood is not for sissies; condoms are. Don’t want a baby, don’t make one.
Ah, well; God gave you two ends, one is to think with…and it isn’t your “duff”…
M.S.,
For the record, we don’t mind bluntness here, especially, but we do object to bigotry and unmitigated propaganda.
So to put some of your remarks in an arguably proper perspective: There’s a great deal more money made by abortionists than by Christians who oppose abortion. But it is so typical of proaborts to project their own sins onto their opposition. One of the strongest motivations among abortionists is greed; and legalized child-killing is very strongly supported by the sustainable development population control freaks who, you can be sure, will do their best to assure that they retain or better their own positions of ascendency over the earth’s resources (especially financial resources) at the expense of as many others as possible.
There is so much evidence that the strongest vested interests are on the pro-abortion side of this war (yes, it is a deliberate, prolonged attack on a particular targeted group perceived as a threat…or perhaps you find the term “genocide” more palatable?), not the prolife side, as you have so calumniously – and absurdly – claimed, as to inspire a little song:
Now ms, you’ve set us thinking,
What the deuce have you been drinking?!
Since it’s so impaired your brain,
Go and pour it down the drain!
Really, ‘magnum’, we’re not joking!
Is it something you’ve been smoking?
Quick, before your brain is gel,
Send the stuff straight back to Hell!
We could go on, but you get the idea…that is, assuming, for no particular reason, that you can still get any real idea.
Your remark about the tithe, off-base as it is, raises the question of where you stand on the matter of social security. I think most liberals want social security increased, do you not?!–yet somehow do not see the connection between the floundering state of that institution and the murder of some would-have-been taxpayers. Just more typical nonsense & hypocrisy from the left.
Yes, people of goodwill and good judgment want America reconstructed, and along genuinely Christian lines. There is basically only one alternative; if you wish to examine that system as close as you can without really being there (too late for that, but,unless the reconstruction you so condemn occurs, a reprise of it is just around the corner here, unless the Lord’s return precludes it), go visit the National Holocaust Memorial Museum at your earliest opportunity, though be apprised that some of that history has been “revised” by certain special interest groups…and none of them are pro-american, I assure you.
In the public interest,
tm
good points….however, i think in addressing these simpletons, you may as well be carrying on a conversation with your toaster.
but then again, maybe one of them will begin to actually think and reason, due to your challenging comments. stranger things have happened.
keep up the good work.
tim,
did it ever occur to you that your belief that there is no god might be just an idea that someone put in your head, and that whoever did may not have the best of intentions towards you, or anyone else, in suggesting that?
Do you claim to possess absolute knowledge, tim? If not, then you will have to at least concede that God, like millions of other people you don’t know, could exist outside your limited realm of knowledge.
The main question your comment raises in my mind is, how pure is your heart? Jesus Christ said, “blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God”; and I can’t help thinking how very like your blindness in this area is to a two-year-old covering his eyes and everyone around him, “You can’t see me” when, in reality, the blindness is all his, and self-imposed.
What is your relationship with your father like, Tim? I know that many people who have absent or abusive fathers have difficulty believing in God because they project the fatherhood they have (or have not) had themselves onto Him; in fact, this is so common that books have been written on the phenomenon attesting that atheism is not so much a belief system (there is certainly no scientific evidence to support it)as a neurosis.
Purify your heart, Tim; one index of how pure your heart is is your answer to the question, what if someone proved to you that God was dead; would you mourn the loss, or gloat…? (In the interest of saving you some time, I can tell you that it’s much easier to prove that Friedrich Nietzche is dead than that the resurrection of Christ is a hoax…it’s at least doable! ) if you still can, try to put things right with your father; if he is nowhere to be found, CRY OUT TO HIM WHO HAS SAID THAT HE IS A FATHER TO THE FATHERLESS to make Himself known to you. Your readiness to dismiss as b.s. a faith that has withstood centuries of attempts at discrediting (without a shred of evidence) makes me wonder, just how badly do you want to know the truth? I think you just want to spew hate and hurt at people who represent something you don’t want to deal with… it doesn’t take absolute knowledge to realize that, if there is an appropriate place to do that, this isn’t it!
Since the atheism question is sort of irrelevant, God is neither provable nor improvable by human noetic capacity, lets go back to Jerry and Biology. Biologically speaking genetics does not prove life. A fetus is not alive because it has DNA. My grandfather has human DNA, but he is not alive because he has stopped respiring on his own some time ago. Thus, human DNA means a fetus is not a cat, not that it is alive. Ok, so what is life, biologically speaking? Well, a good question. A critical point is respiration. Can an organsism take and use energy? On a cellular level, the answer for the fetus is yes. Its cells do cellular respiration. They are living- take in glucose and oxygen make co2 and energy. Is this the end of the story? No, because independence may matter. A fetus deprived of the oxygen source will not respire for long, thus it is an obligate aerobic being. So, it is not an independent life. It does not respire on its own. Science does not call viruses alive because they are so fundamentally dependent on the host that they cannot grow and reproduce on their own. Likewise, fetuses cannot grow and reproduce on their own. I am not talking about sexual reproduction. They cannot make their next cell cycle without the umbilical connection. They are not alive apart from the woman. Does this matter? Yes, a woman can kill cancer cells (even conceptions that turn into cancer) because they are not independent. A limb can be chopped off because it is not independent. What about interacting with their environment? This may be a better place to draw a line. Fetus progressively become able to interact with their environment, they develop more characteristic of life. Could this be a point of demarcation in life and non-life? Could we even make a fairly generous definition of response to environment? Sure, but can we biologically call a 12-cell ball a fully independent human life because of DNA? I doubt it.
The next sticking point is a teleological definition of life. Is a fetus alive because it will become independently alive at some later date? No, teleologically we are all dead. I am not dead because at some point in the future I will become dead. You cannot kill me because I will at some point in the future become dead. By the way, there is also a great misuse of the soft anthropological principle – what exists is dictated by history, which cannot be other than it was to produce the current situation. The question “What if your mother had aborted you?” is meaningless. It means that I (and all the potential siblings that don’t exist) would not be in a position to judge. I exist at present as a living, thinking, independent human being. For most of history I did not, and for most of history I will not again. For me to be glad my mother didn’t abort me is meaningless, because I would not exist to have that consideration. She did not; therefore I do exist. OF 400,000 primary oocytes she began menarche with, only 2 became children. Why my current consciousness results from one of those and not another doesn’t really matter. If I had gone the way of 1/2 of conceptions, I would not be cognizant of it to care. Is heaven strewn with all the failed conceptions of all of history? I doubt it.
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OK I’m doing an article on fundamentalism with one aspect disgussed being abortion. Soooo this means I’ve done a LOT of research on BOTH sides. I have a few questions/comments for the forum and I’m not interested in conversion/insults (which seem curiously prominent for “Christians”), but a real intellectual endeavor.
TM said:
“Induced abortion, a.k.a. feticide (as opposed to spontaneous abortion, a.k.a. miscarriage) should be outlawed for several reasons.”
God has control over all things right? So when God aborts a fetus, does this mean that God is a murderer? And what of his unique entrustment of the responsiblity for childbearing being given solely to women? Did he err? Have we forgotten that abortion was not a debate earlier in our history? It was allowable until quickening for centuries. Are we unwilling to see that there are other interpretations of the passages in the law where men are paid because an attack of their wife/concubine is to be redressed through payment. Do we still think women should be a man’s property? Do we feel that a woman does not have the moral authority that God entrusted to her? Is it not possible that God opened the avenues of abortion, bringing us safer procedures, out of compassion for women AND children?
“Another is that you do not create or promote a civilized, compassionate, or just society (you know, the kind we all want to live in ourselves, even if some want it denied to others) by permitting the strong to exploit and harm the weak with impunity, which is the intent and result of every legal induced abortion.”
I would argue that the abortion debate is exactly the context in which the strong ARE exploiting and harming the weak with impunity. Yelling and screaming at someone, judging them, calling them names, meanness…these things do not lead to a just and fair society–nor do they change anyone else’s mind. If anything it would work to confirm an abortion choice–who would want to raise their child amidst such hatred?
“Another strong argument in favor of outlawing induced abortion is the fact that women are endangered by it. It does not cure, treat, or prevent any recognized disease, but thousands of women have been injured, maimed, incapacitated, and killed by these “procedures”, since Roe v. Wade.”
Women are far more endangered by illegal abortion. Here in the US less than 1% of women will die from complications during abortion. In the world at large the figure jumps to 250,000 women a year. Another way to think of it, if abortion was safe and legal world wide only 2.5 of those women would have died. Is this debate REALLY about life, or about control of women’s sexuality and the need to “punish” women for being sexual?
“The best way to make it comparatively safe is to outlaw it; abortionists were much more careful to avoid “botch-ups” when their activities were illegal, so as to avoid detection and jail terms.
And, one proven method of making anything rarer is to make it illegal, and enforce those laws.”
This statement is simply false dogma of mythical proportions. Women in the US died by the hundreds each year when they sought out abortions before legalization. The research I’ve done does not support this position, and in fact stands in stark contrast to the broad statements you’ve made here. Further, some of the evidents points that abortions weren’t any rarer, they were simply swept under the rug, not talked about…
“For the record, we don’t mind bluntness here, especially, but we do object to bigotry and unmitigated propaganda.”
Well, I’m seeing a lot of bigotry and unmitigated propaganda…but it IS your web site and I’m a guest, so I didn’t come here for a pro-choice POV…
for Jerry,
“good points….however, i think in addressing these simpletons, you may as well be carrying on a conversation with your toaster.”
I find it interesting that our most viciferous speakers are male. C.S. Lewis had the insight that I wish other’s had. He stated that he couldn’t speak on birth control because God did not pick him to be female and undergo the risks and trials of pregnancy and labor. Such wisdom…
But again, with Jerry’s comments (and many others) I see a distinct mean spiritedness and willingness to insult that I simply can’t justify through my own religious readings.
Pro-woman, Pro-family, PRO-CHOICE!
A woman has a right to make her own choices!
It is not killing anything, it is not a baby!
IT IS LEGAL FOR A REASON!
duh!
I am a proud pro-choice woman and this site is disgusting. I agree with the above post and I support a woman’s right to choose.
Woman have a right to choose! I agree!
She is right, it is legal for a reason.
This site is horrible. I heard you on Talk Radio today and it does not surprise me that you are fighting for Terri Schaivo to be kept alive against her will.
Looks like you have a terribly misleading website and you thrive on trying to take away people’s choices!
Just like Terri Schaivo, you will not be able to change people’s freedoms. CHOICE!
G O CHOICE!
I heard this website reference on the radio today.
Let me just say, I believe in God, I am a republican, and I am a catholic-
But, I do NOT agree with your website.
I am Pro-Choice because I want to save children and women’s lives.
That is all I have to say- besides you have a lot of misinformation on this website.
This place is disgusting! It is not your choice to make for women, nor mine. They deserve a choice. You deserve the nut house!
This makes me sick. You do not know Terri Schiavo, you don’t know her situation. Stop using her to further your ’causes’. She is a person, not a political issue. What happened to christians loving people. And guess what with out the woman in the case of abortion, that fetus would not exist. One must look at the relationship between fetus and the mother.Hate to break it to, but to have an abortion will ALWAYS be my right. You will not stop abortions by making it illegal, you will just kill more women. But, hey women in the end dont matter right?
I was a very strong pro-life advocate, until I was placed in a situation where I became pregnant. I don’t need to share what happened, but there was no way I could have that baby. I also now believe that it is easier to say adoption is always an option until you’re placed in that situation. There are people out there who are adopted who are glad to have had that choice made for them. But there are also the people who feel neglected and hated because they were given up by their birth mother. As if they were bad people because they “weren’t wanted”. You need to look at it from both sides of the fence. I now know you can never say what you would do until it happens to you. I am now definetly pro-choice.
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i had an abortion at 4 weeks after conception, i had a medical abortion, which means because of drugs that are injected into my system, and suppositories that caused my cervix to dialate i passed the pregnancy intact. according to the doctor, if i would be able to see anything at all, it would be rod shaped and the size of half a grain of rice. needless to say, i didn’t see anything, and what i passed was actually LESS than what i pass during a regular menstrual period.
i find it absurd that there are pictures of fully formed embryos on these protest posters saying things like HEARTBEAT AT 3 WEEKS, because its far from factual.
abortion isn’t pleasant, but it is my right as a canadian female, and i am glad that i was able to make the choice. it is not murder, despite what “God” or george w bush may say (although i dont remember anything about abortion in the bible).
if i hadnt have had an abortion, my life would be over and i would not be able to be continuing on my chosen path at this point. if i carried the pregnancy to term and gave it up for adoption, the guilt of not being able to provide for this person or guaruntee their safety and happiness would have killed me. if i had kept it, because i am not mentally, emotionally or financially stable, i would have surely messed up it’s life. abortion wasmy only choice, neither of those “options” were options for me.
i think you right wing psychopaths need to find a new hobby or pick a new battle. there are far worse monstrosities going on in this world besides women quietly choosing what gets to stay in their body and what doesn’t.
Abortion should never be a form of contraception but in my opinion it is a necessary right for women to have control of their own bodies.
Abortion has been with us for thousands of years in one form or another. It is a fact of life.
The idea that abortion would be safer if it were made illegal is idiotic. When abortion is illegal as in Bolivia for example, many women check into hospitals with complications. Finding safe, professional doctors and sterilized equipment is much harder and much more expensive – many women cannot afford these things.
Abortion needs to remain legal. While I do not feel that a fetus is a ‘alive’ until it can function separately from the mother, I do recognize the POTENTIAL for life. Because of this I believe that abortion should be rare and only used as a last resort. Still, I do not want my body owned by the state.
I think middle-class Americans should fight to keep the abortion option out of their lives, that to choose to get rid of an “inconvenience” over acting like a responsible adult is certainly a sign of integrity.
But I have spent my career working in the developing world and in communities with a lot of problems seriously affecting thinking, rational pain-feeling (already born) human beings.
A free society needs to get its priorities straight, and when we have conquered terminal disease, extreme poverty, a faltering educational system, and root causes of abortion like abusive parenting and drug abuse- maybe the focus can be brought to issues like abortion and the fate of people lying for years in a vegetative state, and maybe some day in the far far future even the rights of animals.
But until then I think it is really a crime to monopolize the attention of our media and political leaders with the evils of abortion.
If anti-abortion activists want to prove their good intentions to America why don’t they bring atttention to our woefully inadequate foster care system, adoption rights for gay and lesbian couples and try to change the views of families who only want to adopt perfect white babies because of the stigma on multi-racial families.
Don’t you all think that the rights of the born should take higher priority than the unborn? I can’t imagine a God that would think otherwise.
I am 15 1/2 and I am against abortion. If you are old enough to play, your old enough to pay!
To Dennis Sullivan:
In your post you encourage a “national christian boycott”. My question to you is who boycotts their own behavior? If you will view the abortion facts (I find that those little things often come in handy when having a rational debate) you will find that 70% of persons who have abortions are Christian. Hmmm.
Another interesting fact about people who have abortions is that over 90% of those regret them…regardless of their religion or philosophy. Be sure you don’t overlook that.
Claiming to be a Christian and being one aren’t the same thing, anymore than claiming to be a real doctor (like Tiller and other baby-killers do) and being one are the same. Pilot’s licenses did not make murderers into pilots on 9-11; it only gave them another way to commit murder.
I have noticed a paradox in many pro-life commentaries in this forum. They say they oppose the use of propoganda, but there are a number of terms and phrases used here that can safely be considered propoganda.
My first concern is the frequent use by male posters of the term “inconvenience” to describe an unwanted pregnancy. An inconvenience would be having to walk to church for a day because your car is in the shop. Or, an inconvenience would be having to handwrite a letter to your elderly aunt during the holidays because she’s the only member of your family without a computer. A pregnancy is not an “inconvenience” … it is a life-changing condition with the POTENTIAL to become two life-changing conditions. Please do not underestimate the intensity of choosing to abort a fetus. Using the term “inconvenience” supposes that the woman is selfish and irresponsible, taking the situation lightly, which in most cases is not true.
Second, the abundant comparisons made (by both right- and left-wingers) between certain groups of people and Nazis during the Holocaust (in this case, a comparison between Nazis and women who have abortions) is increasingly over-inflammatory in our society. Holocaust survivors and victims would be offended to hear this comparison. Please stop calling people Nazis who are not Nazis (or even implying any correlation between the two).
Finally, I would like to address the use of the invented term “pro-abortion.” As I’m sure everyone here knows, the established and widely recognized term for a person who believes abortion should be legal is “pro-choice,” with good reason. No one likes abortion — it is not a pleasant concept. Its existence is unfortunate. However, in a imperfect society, which ours is and always will be, abortion is a choice people make to avoid worse consequences. Some would say it’s the lesser of two evils. As a result, us pro-choicers use this term because we believe a woman should have the choice rather than the government. Do you ever see picket signs that read, “I Support Abortion”? No. They read, “I Support a Woman’s Right to Choose.” Dubbing pro-choicers as “pro-abortion” is misleading and ignorant.
These are semantics that matter in an intelligent discussion, in which everyone here, I hope, aspires to participate.
Emily,
We appreciate your comments and would love to respond to many of your misconceptions, however, such discussion would best be addressed in the Discussion Forum, instead of the comments section of this site. You are welcome to sign up and repost there.
To just thinking:
I HIGHLY doubt your “fact” that over 90% of women who have had abortions regret them. Where is your support for that statistic? And don’t point to some survey or study done by group like operation rescue. Support for a statement like that must come from an independent group, not from a pro-choice or pro-life group itself. I suggest that you check out the website http://www.imnotsorry.net.
tguichar@ucsc.edu… what sins? Its the Pro-Murder you need to pray for.
I don’t think its right to save the mother over the baby,
if you are almost to term.
that makes no sense.
I would just go full term, and if you can’t
care for it, then, do adoption,
I wouldn’t do abortion unless I just had no choice,
and it was like 5 weeks, but even then, i wouldn’t want to do it, once a life, always one, but no one can
decide who lives and who dies, but Jesus.
period,
so, just outlaw sex and we’ll be fine!!!!!!!!
Im for that,
cause the dummy I married is in love
with only that—-
sex,
not with a woman—-
I think it’s quite ironic that a lot of the women posting on this website as being opposed to abortion have had one. It’s sad how much guilt I see out there. It’s also strange to me how so many people that have gotten abortions can judge other women so harshly for doing the very same thing.
I’ll never understand the perspective of forcing one’s opinions on other people. It doesn’t work–hence the decision made in 1973 still stands today. You may be able to fool the weak-minded with your nonsense propaganda, but most of us live in this country because we want our rights and our freedom, and we won’t be tricked into giving these things up. We don’t want people to tell us what to do, or foist “holier than thou” attitudes upon us. If I make a bad decision, that is between me and God, and I have to answer for that. Luckily I don’t have to answer to Operation Rescue.
I suggest the members of Operation Rescue move to one of the 97 countries in which abortions are illegal. You could live good lives and be happy with your perfect selves. You can leave the rest of us sinful heathens to burn in hell.
And no, I haven’t had an abortion. I’m on this website because of a case study I’m doing in one of my classes. It’s my first and only visit. I’m a Christian, and I believe Matthew 7:1-5 sums it up best.
Y’all have a rockin’ day!
In my opinion “Abortion” is the violation of the right of an unborn human being. It should be discouraged.
Mishal,
Until fetuses are born, they don’t have any rights. Their rights are determined by the mother. Does your leg have rights? Does a ball of cells inside your womb have rights? No. they are dependant upon you. So if you so choose to, you can have them eliminated.
Kathryn, use your head if it’s not a baby then your NOT pregnant. I pitty your ignorance!
people you need to know that God Says dont not murder,
it matters what u believe or think is right you all will stay before your maker one and give a account…
so u better get right with God and wake-up…
richard
I’m a teenager. What -I- (emphasis on the I) wish is that women wouldn’t want to just be equal. We should want to be better and be loving and extra-special people. But then I guess that’s not the way the world world works for most people…???
And how come there is tons of birth control-which is supposed to prevent pregnancy- and there’s still abortion? (And rapes and stuff being on a small scale.) But then, of course, I’m not -educated- enough on the issues.
But then that’s just the way -I- see it. :)
Amy said exactly what is in my heart. Instead of condeming people, why don’t you show them the love and compassion of Christ? I will tell you this. Before I was a Christian I had an abortion. I have asked for forgiveness, I have repented of ALL sin I have committed. I have asked Jesus into my heart. Am I saved? Does He love me less because of what I have done?
You can’t understand what it is like to be faced with the hurt of an abortion. Those of us who have made that (in my opinion) poor choice, we have to live with that til the day we die. I do feel remorse, I do feel pain and I do feel loss. I know that I will have to answer for my sin. I think it’s unfair that you judge people, and as Amy says, Matthew 7 1:5 does sum it up. As a Christian I am your sister. I will pray that God will change your heart. Maybe you can pray for me too.
Hi i am 19 years old………. When i her about abortion it make my heart full whit tears, many women abort because they doent want to lose they pretty bodies or because they boyfriend told them, they doent think about the damming they are doing i am a Christian person i have a friend that abort and she knew what she was doing was wrong, but i guess this world is last the meaning of love, because if you love the Lord and you love your self you should never somit your self to an abortion.
I’ve always wondered why the topic of abortion never seems to address the success of banning abortion in other countries. Surely other countries that have bravely embraced the pro-life stance of outlawing abortion should be lauded for their efforts, abd perhaps emulated in other respects. Some of the countries that have have firmly upheld the rights of the unborn are Mexico, Brazil, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Afganistan, Syria, Jordan, Peru, Colmbia, Ireland and Nicaragua. What other common traits do these countries have?
What are some of the stark differences between these exemplars of respect for all human life and those contries that have flagrantly been inatttentive to the pressing issue of their citizens aborting their children? A few of these countries might be Canada, Switzerland, Israel, Austria, England, Spain, France, Italy, Belgium, Iceland, Norway and Denmark? What is holding these countries of articulate, well-read but ultimately grossly life callous citizens from modeling themselves on their life loving brethren around the world? And what should we, as US citizens, take away as great policy from our life loving countries? Thanks for all responses, and best wishes to all. Ben
I think that killing a unborn baby is so so so wrong. If you ask me you should I used protection if you didn’t want a child, that is a very easy thing to do. I think that abortions should illegal it is just like murder and whoever kills a unborn child should go to jail fa lyfe!!!!!
bare with me, first time poster, and yes there’s a point to the following story. thank you.
I am 19 years old and I have a two year old son who’s about to be three.
I gave birth at sixteen. I got pregnant right after my sixteenth birthday.
I am the first of four children from my mother and the second of eight from my father. My father strongly apposes abortion. My mother will do anything to cover her ass.
My mother had me at eighteen. I was supposed to be aborted, but by the time her appointment came along, the doctor informed her that she was too far along, and my mother did not have the money at the time to for a more costly late term abortion. Besides, she had started to show and my father then realized that she was pregnant. (My mother had an abortion at 15 to abort a five month pregnancy baby boy that she had conceived as a result of a brutal rape from her stepfather, and a miscarriage as a result of drug use at 17.)
Growing up, I knew this all because my parents have always been very straight with me about EVERYTHING (mostly my dad, my mother;s a liar and in denial for shame of all her sins. Who are we to judge?)
My grandmother treats three spoiled adopted children way better (consittering she is very wealthy) than I have ever known treatment from her (or any of my siblings for that matter.)
The point of this story is this: My conclusions and opinions are based on life experience, and what i FEEL deep down; not what other tell me. If my mother had aborted me, I could never have been here, or be raising the miracle I am raising today, whom i know will do great things for this world. If my mother had given me up for adoption, i may have had a chance at a better childhood (or one at all) like the aunts and uncles I have that are only preteens. I was raped brutally by my landlord at 11 years old on the bathroom floor and contemplated what i would do if I became pregnant (I didnt have my period yet thank god but i was too young to know you needed to be menstruating to conceive). At 11, i decided I would not kill if i did, but I;d raise it to spite my mother who had abandonded me with this evil man, and to balance one evil spawn (its father) with an angel (his offspring) as well as show the world that i am NOT his victim any more. He didnt give me the baby (i TOOK it).
This same idea was had when I began to have consentual sex at 13. Even before I had allowed him into my body, I knew the risks and concittered them (AS ALL SHOULD DO- IF NOT THEN THEY SHOULDNT HAVE SEX AT ALL. SEX IS FOR ADULTS, MATURE REASONABLE, LOGICAL ADULTS. NOT IRRESPONSIBLE CHILDREN. THEY’RE THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE PUNISHED. NOT THE INNOCENT UNBORN.) And at 13, if I had gotten pregnant I would not have aborted it.
Then you say, ‘you cannot say that until you are there’. Well, i was there bitches. I was on the street, homeless, uneducated, jobless and an alcoholic at 16 when I discovered I was pregnant. At first I thought of the tragedy that it was. I felt like my youth was even more gone, that i was alone and it was too much for me. I mostly felt bad for the child.
Then i concittered abortion (the unthinkable to me) and realized I couldnt do it. For all the moral and responisibility reasons I always had but not just for that: for fear. People said it wasnt wrong: but who are people?? Since when did PEOPL become the divine know it alls that can tell me what is wrong and what is right? So when I die and am standing before God and he is judging me, my excuse is ‘they told me it was ok’?!
No. It was with that realization that I resolved to change my life, for my baby.
Now, I live on my own, working, raising a beautiful, SMART, characteristically active little toddler who i feel more and more blessed everyday to have, and whom when the time comes will be proud to present to society as a man (Yes, its hard, yes i cry yes, i struggle but my sons feels minimal if anything at all of my struggle. I smile to see him smile always) and it will not always be so hard for me. I am in the process of becoming a police officer. God will reward me for all my loyal work and faith.
Enough with religion, however. i feel that isnt a legitimate basis for an argument, as many posters have already pointed out, our beliefs and God is not the same as everyone else’s. (although please note the highest form of power on earth: money, prints as long as its been in existance IN GOD WE TRUST but whatever)
If you wnat to fight them and show the killers we are are right stop acting like jihads and fanatics! Fight them with facts. Stop mentioning God, you will never win. there will always be some political, intellectual atheist with a whole bunch of moron on atheist listening to them making good points because you cannot speak for God that you cannot even prove exist.
They are murders because this BEING inside you is YOUR creation and technically is a LIVING organism. When you cut off its life (and I’m going to speak even slower now) T H A T S M U R D E R .
Every situation is different, and although I have way more liberal beliefs than most pro lifers, the fatc remains that abortion is MURDER and in the event of tragedy (rape, life threatenijng pregnancy, something to this affect) those 2% of abortions should be allowed yet seen as tragedies. Unfortunate, sad tragedies. Not a woman;s “right”. Those are victims, those babies are casualties, and should be treated as such even in the event of those 2%ers.
OH, AND STOP SAYING WHO IS GOING TO HEAVEN AND WHO ISNT. YOU ARE NOT GOD. NOONE CAN SAY THAT. ALL YOU CAN DO IS FEAR, NOT KNOW. YOU ARE NO WHERE NEAR GOD. NOONE IS.
May God have mercy on ALL our souls, pro lifers and pro choicers alike.
Anyone who is a part of the dark world of abortion is making the devil smile with utter delight!!!!!
also to all of you pro-choicers out there IF YOU DONT WANT CHILDREN-DONT HAVE SEX!!!!!! ADOPTION is always an option. Dont be deceived pro-choicers abortion hurts all involved. look @ the big picture.
I am firmly pro-choice. I do not agree with the tactics used by pro-lifers or the disturbing images they use.
However, I admire the owners of this website for keeping pro-choice comments on their site. This allows a debate and I have found reading these comments very interesting and informative.
The only way we can change our society for the better is to discuss the issues in open forums!
The bottom line is that people shouldn’t have sex until they are ready and are in a loving relationship. Contraception should always be used. But since no contraception is 100% effective, abortion is needed by our society.
In my opinion “Abortion” is the violation of the right of an unborn human being. It should be discouraged.
“take my hand, not my life”
On 01 February 1996, abortion on demand was legalised in South Africa, since then 600 000 babies have been murdered in my country. The overall murder rate has almost doubled since 1996. It is now one of the most dangerous countries in the world to live in. When abortion became law, sanctity of life was lost!
Greetings from a bloody South Africa
What is a Christian Reconstructionalist??
I am now being introduced at a late age to the blessings of Christianity. Before that, abortion was STILL murder of humans without that “choice”.
The same people that advocate “no wars”, “racial brotherhood” and all other humanist blabber, seem to have no problem slinking off to kill their babies.
Anyone writing for a pro choice stance from an “.edu” address has absolutely no credibility. Where do you think these communist ideas come from?
And Christianity does not need to be reconstructed! For those that seek, it can still provide all that it has in the past. Every day I am excited to learn more. The same people that want you to kill your babies, are the ones trying to kill Christianity. As shown in Soviet Russia…it will not work.
I’m against this and hopefully god forgive you for killing a Lil Baby that is not their falt that you got pregnect
Anyone who is Pro-Abortion has seen only one small side of the abortion issue. If you truly educate yourself as to all of the procedures, the effects, and how a baby actually dies through these abortions, you would think differently. If you could go into an abortion clinic and watch or assist with an abortion and come out pro-abortion, I would believe you. But since you have never observed the sight of a dying baby or one chopped up in little pieces, I have no confidence in your view point! Read up on abortion techniques, and tell me there is no suffering on the baby’s part. Tell me women feel wonderful after they have aborted their child. Tell me the abortion industry is performing under ethical and legal methods and I will listen to your praise of abortion.
Observe a stack of babies piled up to be disposed of and tell me your heart feels nothing and I will pay attention to your ideas that abortion is a positive, necessary and good proposition for pregnant women and their babies! I’M LISTENING!!
Alayna Staggers (Nurse and Mother)
“Mothers Against Abortion”
i’m deinfiantely 4 choice, that poor litle baby should get 2 choose, right? it’s not right 2 let him (or her) suffer for ur mistake, it’s the women’s CHOICE 2 have sex, so like, STAY PURE!!! I’M ONLY 14, and i know better than adults, y is the youth of this nation corrupted at such a young age? sex isen’t safe unless u r married. PLZ answer me this, Y DO PPL THINK MURDER IS A RIGHT????? c’mon WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DEATH CHAMBERS AMERICA!!!!! ABORTION MILLS ARE THE GAS CHAMBERS OF THE 21ST CENTURY WAR!!!! i’ve been making speeches, and protesting in front of clinics since i was born!!!! and every day i try to thank God 4 giving me another day on earth 2 live, and from now on, i’m gonna thank my mom for giving birth 2 me, and not aborting me!! i mena, i’m sure everyone would want their mom 2 choose life 4 u, right? SO MAKE THE COICE 4 THOSE OTHER LITTLE BABIES INSIDE THEIR MOM’S WOMB WHO CAN’T LET HER KNOW THAT THEY WANNA LIVE!!!!
I agree, women do have a right to choice — a choice to have sex or not, and they made a decision. Anyone who does not know that a baby is a possible result of that choice has been living under a rock.
Abortion is just a means to an end. The bigger problems are that our kids are being raised without 2 parents — and spending most of their free time either alone or in front of the idiot box, the internet is teaching them things they do not need to know at their age, we are taking God out of everything, and just spiraling into overall moral decay.
I suspect if we spent half the time and money rebuilding our schools and families that we spend on abortion fighting then the issue would likely take care of itself.
A female has a choice to choose for her body. Period. For those who are anti-abortion and had an abortion, you really have matters in your hand. For those who think it’s wrong, and one day God forbid something happens to you, I really wonder what you would do, honestly. Because, for me:
1.) I would not have a stranger’s child if I got raped.
2.) I would not sacrifice my body for something I did not choese for.
3.) People such a models have good shapes for a reason. If they were pregnant, where would their hope and career be?
4.) If you don’t like abortions, then don’t get one. America is the land of opportunity and freedom of choice. Why does someone else’s action reflect on you? You don’t know the person and the person don’t know you. And the person who’s getting an abortion sure doesn’t care about what you do either.
5.) If abortions are illegal, what do you think people who WANT abortions do? Simple, they’d do something dumb. Like falling down stairs or trying an abortion themselves. Would you like that instead? Would you like watching the news every night and seeing “A woman found dead in the home, and she was believed to be trying to abort her pregnancy.”?
6.) If you have a daughter who wants an abortion and you dislike it, would you want to see your own child hurt herself? Just because you said no to her doesn’t mean she’s going to take the no as if it’s your choice when it’s her body.
7.) If a woman was pregnant and had complications that could result in death, would you say you want to sacrifice the woman for a baby? If it was complications, the “baby”‘s life would be in a greater risk than the woman. If you choose to save an unborn baby over a woman, you would be much as a murderer. Like they say “Give us the chance to live.”
8.) Oh yeah killing an unborn “baby” is murder. Well that’s life. You’d be surprised in history in how murder was always happening, and it’s happening now. Death occurs everyday, we just live with it.
9.) If a woman had AIDS, would you want the “baby” to live with AIDS also? I’m sure by the time the child is 14, s/he would be ANGRY to be alive.
10.) And for those people who say “If my mom got that abortion, I wouldn’t have never been here.” For God’s sake, all you could do is thank your mom for you being here. Don’t say you couldn’t have been here, because likely or not, you could be someone else who’s alive right now and not even know.
11.) Some teenagers commit suicide when they find out they are pregnant. If the fetus was counted, that would be two deaths instead of one.
12.) Overall, the choosing the unborn over the mother is ridiculous. My mother didn’t raise me all these years so I could die over something not born yet.
13.) Everything in your body is alive. Sperm is alive. Cells are alive. An excuse saying killing a fetus is murder is just the same as killing even a skin cell on your body.
14.) And lastly believe it or not, woman DO throw their babies in the trash. Isn’t that more disturbing than an abortion? Because you could actually SEE the BABY fully born and outside on Earth.
way up above someone stated the fetus is not alive because it doesn’t breathe on its own….don’t tell grandmom with her oxygen tank that! don’t tell the parents of the kid who is on a ventilator following a car accident…life I thought was measured by brain activity….that starts around 40 days post conception, correct? to compare an unborn child to an arm is stupid…how can you compare the whole to its part?
and to the NICU nurse who advocated abortion. you’re a sick person. how can you work with those premies and advocate their destruction in utero? how can an abortion help mental health when testimony after testimony shows how it destroys it? you should grow a heart, really. how can you be in medicine and be so cruel?
oh, and to the person who denys the heart starts beating at 3 weeks…my cousin is an M.D. sorry to burst your bubble, but its medically true. thats a medical fact, not a political opinion.
I keep seeing in the anwers people speaking of God as if He approves of abortion. Well I have news for people. Jesus came because of His love for us. He gave His own life so that we could live. Followers of Christ should be walking in His ways. The murderer is Satan not God and every baby is valuable in the eyes of God. No women do not have the right to choose after conception in the eyes of God.
1.) I would not have a stranger’s child if I got raped.
If you were raped, and a pregnancy resulted, you would have his child. The question is whether or not you would have it killed.
2.) I would not sacrifice my body for something I did not choese for.
But you would sacrifice someone else’s body?
3.) People such a models have good shapes for a reason. If they were pregnant, where would their hope and career be?
So a baby must die to protect her career
4.) If you don’t like abortions, then don’t get one. America is the land of opportunity and freedom of choice. Why does someone else’s action reflect on you? You don’t know the person and the person don’t know you. And the person who’s getting an abortion sure doesn’t care about what you do either.
Let’s not stop there! Anyone who can’t defend themselves should be allowed to be killed, right?
5.) If abortions are illegal, what do you think people who WANT abortions do? Simple, they’d do something dumb. Like falling down stairs or trying an abortion themselves. Would you like that instead? Would you like watching the news every night and seeing “A woman found dead in the home, and she was believed to be trying to abort her pregnancy.”?
You could justify doing away with all laws using that logic. I mean, if we make slavery illegal, people who want to own slaves will just go underground to have their slaves, and might get hurt.
6.) If you have a daughter who wants an abortion and you dislike it, would you want to see your own child hurt herself? Just because you said no to her doesn’t mean she’s going to take the no as if it’s your choice when it’s her body.
I would neither want my daughter to hurt herself, nor my grandchild.
7.) If a woman was pregnant and had complications that could result in death, would you say you want to sacrifice the woman for a baby? If it was complications, the “baby”’s life would be in a greater risk than the woman. If you choose to save an unborn baby over a woman, you would be much as a murderer. Like they say “Give us the chance to live.”
I say try to save them both.
8.) Oh yeah killing an unborn “baby” is murder. Well that’s life. You’d be surprised in history in how murder was always happening, and it’s happening now. Death occurs everyday, we just live with it.
So murder in general is OK with you?
9.) If a woman had AIDS, would you want the “baby” to live with AIDS also? I’m sure by the time the child is 14, s/he would be ANGRY to be alive.
At least s/he would have that….. choice.
10.) And for those people who say “If my mom got that abortion, I wouldn’t have never been here.” For God’s sake, all you could do is thank your mom for you being here. Don’t say you couldn’t have been here, because likely or not, you could be someone else who’s alive right now and not even know.
Huh?
11.) Some teenagers commit suicide when they find out they are pregnant. If the fetus was counted, that would be two deaths instead of one.
Agreed.
12.) Overall, the choosing the unborn over the mother is ridiculous. My mother didn’t raise me all these years so I could die over something not born yet.
Why can’t we love them both?
13.) Everything in your body is alive. Sperm is alive. Cells are alive. An excuse saying killing a fetus is murder is just the same as killing even a skin cell on your body.
How so? That doesn’t make sense.
14.) And lastly believe it or not, woman DO throw their babies in the trash. Isn’t that more disturbing than an abortion? Because you could actually SEE the BABY fully born and outside on Earth.
Same thing.
i think they should stop all abortions they are just wrong especially the partial brith abortions, those babies are moving and alive that is murder and should be put as murder, if a mother and father want to have sex then they need to understand wat they are doing and that a child could come of this action. the babies dont do nothing wrong they just thrive to live and come into this world, they need to be loved and let live, there is no excuse for this action. and some wrote that if the mothers life is in danger but what does that mean if that is allowed there need to be standards. they need to take responsibility of there actions and if they dont want the babies or cant raise them stop making them and if anything put them up for adoption so they have the chance to live like their parents.
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Every country making abortion legal will be held accountable by God. It does not matter who believes anything different! The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the glory of Christ who is the image of God. God is our creator. He exists whether some can accept it or not.
Abortion, whether legal or illegal, is a tragic way to handle a difficult situation. Remember, the father of the baby is required to be the priest of his home. He should take responsibility for his impregnating a girl or woman. Both parents of any baby have a God-given privilege to raise every baby they are blessed with. Stop making excuses for immoral behavior! Wait for marriage before having sex. Treat each other with respect. Once married, sex is God’s wedding present! Babies are a great blessing!
jerry
the woman who drowned her 5 kids in texas was exercising MURDER not freedom of choice. It was never constitutionally allowed to her.
pat
how about people who don’t believe in god!! I would be really angry if someone in church decided to go against abortions and I have to put up with their decision. If you think god is against abortions, then don’t get one! but don’t preach to others who have no choice!
Thanks for giving me this chance to comment.
I would like to say that an abortion is something that we do not mostly because we are sure or we really don’t want the child but the condition s that we live in don’t allow us to make babies. we have to work school and study all time in order to achieve our objectives. When we make love without a condom we try by all means not to get pregnant but when I knew I was pregnant I was very happy and I told the father , he said. Let’s abort because we still not ready . I really felt bad and I never accepted . But then I started thinking. Believe me It was the hardeest decision I had to take in my life. I saw my baby on Ecography and He looked so innocent and I had to abort. It was so bad at that time because I was supports to decide whether the baby or University and I really wanted badly to study… Then later on have childre. I would like to say to all woman who have aborted that God should forgive us for our sins. We did wrong and we really regret and seriously regret.To all young woman who have never had children . NEver abort because you then regret….. Its really painfull and traumatic. I hope one day to have children and I prom~ise never to abort in My life. And Im praying to God to give me a healthy child in the future and make him grow up to his 9th month full.
Thakns
Selinna. NY
I just want to make it clear first of all that I’m speaking to women who are healthy and not in any danger from pregnancy
I strongly believe everything happens for a reason, good or bad; every friendship, every loss of a friend, every trip to the store, every car crash on the way to the store, every life, every death and everything in between. All of these things happen for a reason and that reason only comes from God.
My older brother Mathew, only 16 months old, died 24 years ago from meningitis. After Mathew was born, my parents decided two boys were enough, who already had my oldest brother Drew. Well, they quickly found out that God had different plans for them, who wanted them to have two more girls. So they had my sister and then eventually me, and if it hadn’t been for Matthew’s death, neither my sister nor I would be here. God has a purpose for everyone, even little Mathew, which makes me believe, I have a purpose too.
My point is this:
Before my parents even thought about having me, God had a plan for me to be born and live my life for a purpose. Yes, God took my brother’s life to give me mine, and why, I’m not sure. So it saddens me to hear about women who think it’s their choice to play God’s role, that it’s their choice to say, “Yes, this baby will enter the world” or “No, this baby will not.” People talk about a women’s choice, but what right is that? What right does anyone have to that? Does anyone really know the real purpose for why this baby was conceived? How would you know if you don’t give him or her a chance? For all you know, the child could grow to be an amazing person who helps feed the homeless, or discovers the cure for cancer. You can’t know until you give them a chance. The least you could do is have the baby and give them to a family who is unable to have a child. I mean how amazing would that be, giving a baby a chance at life, and also giving a couple the chance at parenthood.
So I really just want to make one thing clear about this whole thing. God has a purpose for everything that happens even though many times we can’t explain why at the moment. My parents after Mathew’s death didn’t understand why God would take him away from them, but when they had my sister and I, they finally understood. So even though it might not make sense for you to have the child at the moment, maybe it will later on when you hear of them graduating from law school.
the world says that killing is wrong. well isn’t that what the women are doing to there babies when they have this partial birth abortion. in gods eyes killing is a sin. and thats exactly what the women are doing to there babies when they have this treatment done. a question i always ask myself about this is why did they wait so long to have an abortion. why couldn’t they have got it when the baby was not yet formed. The way i see it is why get ride of the baby when it has done nothing to you. why not give it to a family who can’t have kids. babies are a blessing of god. we shouldn’t take that blessing away…
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# mike Says:
October 22nd, 2004 at 12:46 am
dude jerry how can you honestly compare the lady who drowned her kids and someone who needs an abortion? im just curious.
NEEDS AN ABORTION? SHE doesn’t NEED an abortion she WANTS an abortion. Because she is selfish and immature and irresponsible.
” For some women, pregnancy worsens mental stability and puts them in grave danger. This is not a sham excuse–suicide is a real danger of worsening depresssion and other mental illnesses.”
My response: Okay, if there is a danger she will commit suicide if she doesn’t get an abortion
How about maybe she will commit suicide later out of guilt that she had one?
You Pro-Choice people always put the slant on things to suit yourselves.