He was willfully killed by the one person who should have sought to protect him.

It is reported that Angele took weeks in investigating the differt types of abortion, to select the “best” type of killing method to end the life of her child with the least amount of pain.

Certainly, if the same intensity had been spent on seeking out the network and support of those who sought after the life of Rowan rather than his demise she could have found it.
Really prolifers are not too hard to find.

On a side note:

So many proabortion folks claim that abortion bound mothers should seek BOARD CERTIFIED abortionists

This abortuary is owned by late term specialist James Pendergraft, who is a ‘board certified OBGYN’.

And many proabortion and women’s groups came to his side during his extortion trial.

So much for ’safe’ abortions, hey?

Sometimes it is hard to walk in other people’s shoes and to understand why they do what they do. God does know and that is why you should only worry about what He says. God cannot bless someone in sin. Sin has a sting so that we learn NOT to make that choice again. If it did not hurt or leave an impression we would not have the need to turn to Him. We would go our jolly way and continue to keep on sinning. What you did was sin. Once you gave your heart to Him and asked for his forgivness you need to be on the road to healing yourself through Him. Not beating yourself up because someone does not understand why you aborted your baby. God does not keep throwing it in our face. He Forgives, not torments. If God had not shown you the face of your child that day would you have given your heart to HIm? He knows exactly what we need to find ourselves down on our knees asking for His forgiveness. Even though this was a horrible tragedy it also has an overtone of God’s mercy. Jesus was crucified and His mother seen Him also die but through His death He gave us eternal life. Rowan’s life had a purpose and that was for you to see you needed God. All sin has consequences and unfortunately yours is remembering what happened that day. But do not let Satan use that. See God forgave you and now you need to forgive yourself. He will show you how.
I help save babies and I see the pain and the fear these girls have. I try to get them to change their minds and if the do not, I stay late until they come out and I give them Bibles and literature about after an abortion and let them know that God cannot bless them while thay are in sin and He cannot help them with the emotional pain of what they have done but if they truely seek Him, He is there and ready and willing to forgive them.
May God bless you and I will pray for your healing.

First of all, I believe if my boyfriend at the time wouldn’t have wanted it I wouldn’t have wanted it. I’ve seen billboards that show a mother touching the hand of a baby and the slogan says, “think hard before you let go”. I think that would have spoken to me. A billboard ministry might be extremely effective to get the message out before the appointment.

I kept it a secret from my family and had I confided in at least someone in my family, it may have made a difference. Encouraging communication is important.

Laws encouraging ultrasounds for women considering abortion. My 10 week ultrasound with my fourth child was the most miraculous and awesome moment I’ve ever had in my entire life – ever.

Women who are getting an abortion are usually trying to get out of a desperate situation. Appealing to them on a personal level about how they will feel down the road about what they are choosing is probably a better strategy than appealing to them about the baby today. I say that because I think they are putting the baby out of their mind. They are thinking about themself so you have to appeal to that selfishness.

Did you ever see the movie “Crazy People”? Dudley Moore was in it. He was a struggling ad exec who ended up in a mental institution due to stress. The people he met there helped him come up with these brutally honest ad campaigns. One of them was for a scary movie and the caption was “It will mess you up for life.” I think that is a very fitting statement about abortion and the effect it has on women and appeals to what it will do to the woman.

Helping a woman realize the baby they are carrying is a unique individual and cannot be replaced is another point that needs to be made. When I look back I got an abortion to end a crisis at the time (an act of selfishness) and now realize that that was a little person unlike any other. It makes me sad because I have these four beautiful little people in my life and it reminds me of the uniqueness of each person – of that little person.

Point out that they will never forget the date of the abortion. Life and death memories are forever etched in our hearts. They are choosing that perfect little individual’s day of death. Do they want the responsiblity that comes with that. You cannot escape the guilt.

I believe to be effective you have to appeal to the woman and help her see down the road and how this moment will change history. It’s like the movie “It’s a Wonderful Life” except instead of you asking to see what the world will be like without you, you’re literally making that experience happen to your child. The world will never know that person and the world will be a different place because of it. You will be a different person because of abortion. You walk in who you are today and walk out never to be the same.

Abortion may be a quick fix to a problem, but it is so sad to live with the memories.

Lastly, encourage Protestant Churches to embrace the Catholic teaching about birth control. I believe our society is at this place because we do not accept the gift of life that God has entrusted to us. Respect life, respect our sexuality – lose the worldliness that sucks us into that place of fear that causes us to reject the wonderful gift of children.
Put an emphasis on the blessings big families offer, there is so much negativity when a mother of even four ventures out with her family. Time and time again I hear the exasperated comments about how “you sure have your hands full” or “I’m glad it’s you and not me”. That is a true testament to what is in the heart of many people – children are seen as a burden.

God has touched my heart with my children. He has softened me, and shown me the important things in life through my children.

I want to help so please if you have any questions fire away. If I can help one person choose life for their child, even if they can’t raise the child. I know now that I would have had the strength to give my child to a family and I could definately live with that choice. Much better than realizing the world will never know my child. Very sad.

Just a note to tell each and all of you thanks for sharing your experiences so forthrightly; it can’t be easy to relive these events, so I wish you all the best in your individual healing journeys, and I hope that at least one abortion-minded mom will listen to you and choose life.

I do have one question that I like to ask anyone who has been involved in induced abortion whether as intimately as you or has “worked” in the industry, and that is this: Susan, you mentioned the mind going pretty much on “autopilot” once the decision to abort is made: Is there any one thing that any of you can think of that could have caused you to reconsider or reverse that decision even after you made it, had someone been there to say it, show it, or offer it to you?

While the prolife movement is, understandably, full of post-abortive mothers, there are many of us who have never been an immediate party to an unwanted pregnancy, and therefore have never considered abortion, either for ourselves or our loved ones, so we could use all the help we can get in more effectively reaching the abortion-minded parents, especially, that we seek to serve and save.

Since I’m probably not the only one in this position, the best thing is probably to post any answers to that here if you’re comfortable with that; if you care to answer but don’t think this is the venue for it, perhaps you could e-mail it to ORW, and they can forward it to me…I’m not sure that the forum would be much different than here.

Thanking you profusely in advance for any counsel you can give us, and wishing you all, again, all the best in your endeavors.

Godspeed to you in your quest for justice for Rowan, and illuminating women everywhere as to the true nature of abortion.

I don’t think that it is appropriate to pass off as “nit-picky” those who object to the expression, “pro-choice”.

Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who very calculatingly coined that phrase in order to make the wholescale slaughter of innocent children palatable/attractive to Americans, has stated that he knew at the time he and Larry Lader (co-founders of NARAL) coined it just how cynical an expression it was in reference to induced abortion.

Though Nathanson has long since radically altered his views on abortion and become a strong pro-life advocate (Lader, as far as we know, has not), the intervening years since Roe v. Wade have borne him out on the falseness and hypocrisy of this cant:

Further evidence:

a) Women don’t want abortions like they want ice cream cones or Porsches, but like entrapped animals “want” to chew off their limbs. A shortsighted, self-destructive act of desperation is a forced “choice,” not a free choice.

b.) The fact that women so very rarely get pregnant on purpose so that they can get abortions, should be the first clue here. . .Instead, abortion is the lynch pin on which they fall back when betrayed by the false sense of immunity, (though pregnancy is not a disease, as some misanthropes like to claim), they get from using artificial birth control. ) This observation, originally made by prolife feminist Frederica Matthewes-Green is so basic that even Planned Parenthood could not gainsay it, and conceded it to her.

c) The babies get no choice. We’re told that one death camp has a sign up forbidding anti-abortion protesters from coming within about 20 feet of the property; yet, hypocritically, they allow unborn babies in the place all the time! Unborn babies are probably the most intense of anti-abortion protesters. (The film, “The Silent Scream” contains all the proof any thinking person of conscience needs of this, and it can be viewed online)

d) The more live people there are to exercise their volition (in ways other than murdering and maiming their fellow human beings), the more choices will be made! Living people are so much more actively volitional than dead ones…or hadn’t you noticed that?!…or do you care about REAL freedom of choice? Abortion is murder, and murder is the ultimate negation of choice for its victim(s).

e) Tiller, Planned Parenthood & allies have fought, tooth and nail, against informed consent laws in every state where such legislation has been sponsored, introduced, and debated. Why, unless it is to prevent women from making an informed (gasp!) choice?

f) The man (!) most responsible for coining the proabort slogans, “pro-choice, freedom of choice, right to choose, reproductive freedom” (what a hoax, considering the vast numbers of women who cannot have children when they would choose to, due to abortion damages), etc., has long since admitted how cynical and false HE KNEW those slogans to be WHEN HE MADE THEM UP. The past 32 years of watching them destroy well over 50 millions lives (pre- and post-natal)have confirmed, not contradicted, his confession. It was never about a woman’s “right to choose,” but about granting legal sanction to a DOCTOR’S RIGHT TO KILL. ( “doctors” like Mengele, Tiller, & cohorts.)

g) The abortion industry’s deathscorts, barbed wire, bubble zones, refusal to allow young mothers to see their babies (or lack thereof) on ultrasound, suppression of vital information on abortion risks, consent/liability release forms, etc., ad nauseam, are all tactics to intimidate their quarry, “clients,” into the choice that best serves their bank account and social agenda, rather than the best interests of the mother and child whose lives are at stake. They are all used to paint the facade and buttress the LIE that they are the “safety zone,” and prolifers are the “threat to women.” This despite the fact that thousands of pregnant women have been injured, maimed, incapacitated, and killed INSIDE of LEGAL abortion chambers, while fewer than 10 have been injured/harmed OUTSIDE of them over the past 32 years. Further information documenting and promoting a more balanced perspective on these matters is available at abortionviolence.com and lifedynamics.com, the Blackmun Wall. Interested parties who have not already done so may also order and read the book LIME 5.

h.) The phrase, “a woman’s choice” loses even more credibility when you consider that of the millions of registered voters in the U.S. in 1973, exactly nine of them were permitted to vote on Roe v. Wade and it’s companion decision, Doe v. Bolton — and ALL of them were MEN!!!
Any initiative to put the matter before the voting public would be fought tooth and nail by these so-called “champions of choice”.

11.) Women who are not coerced into abortions by disappointed parents, irresponsible partners, etc., are often coerced/manipulated into them, physically and psychologically, by abortion profiteers. I have witnessed several women walking out of abortion chambers chased, intimidated, even physically manhandled and practially dragged back into the hellholes by “pro-choice” deathscorts, lest they make a (horrors!) CHOICE at variance with the abortionists’ financial interests and/or social-political agenda.

12.) One of the cruelest deceptions of the term “pro-choice” is in it’s implication that women who may not legally murder their babies are somehow “deprived” of something fundamentally necessary and humane, whereas the exact reverse it actually the case; induced abortion robs, deprives so many women of the love of their children, their health and well-being physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. It usually destroys the relationship between the parents of the aborted child, (many women are coerced by “boyfriends” who threaten to leave them if they don’t “take care of the problem”; but those “boyfriends” usually don’t stick around long after that…)

I could go on further on this, but I think you get the idea. Words matter. Ideas have consequences. Euphemizing child-murder as “choice” paints a very unrealistic picture of induced abortion, making it sound fair, right, morally neutral, safe…when in fact, it is none of those things.

Chinese women could offer further elucidation about the “right to ‘reproductive choice.’”? They would, if asked, give you a perspective on that matter with which many people are either unfamiliar, or callously indifferent towards, or both. No doubt it is an unpalatable and politically incorrect one, but a much more honest one than the one conveyed by prodeath propaganda. And don’t let the attitude, “Oh, well, that’s just China” – a horrifically racially genocidal view in itself- belittle the matter by distance. Ted Turner advocates a two-child-per- couple limit imposed here, and elsewhere. It’s just as draconian here as there, and/or vice versa.

Most of this is just re-posted from previous posts available on archived threads on this site; but I have belabored it because it is a serious, important question.

There is a song that touches on this metaphorically:

The Trout

A streamlet clear and sunny with ripples all about,
was once the bath for pretty and gentle little trout.
On shore I stood observing with exquisite delight,
the happy little creature — it was a lovely sight.

A fisher with his angle stood on yonder shore,
trying to entangle the fish from the water’s floor.
I thought if clear the water still races all about,
he’d never, never capture my lovely, little trout.

Yet the robber had no patience to while away the time,
he made the brook all muddy, ere I sensed the crime.
His line went inward reeling my merry fish so sweet,
then saw I with raging feeling the cheated and the cheat.

—Franz Schubert

The language of “choice”, more than any other, has “muddied the waters” of clear moral judgment on the matter of abortion, to the destruction of countless mothers and their children, as well as fathers, grandparents…the loss is incalculable.

Again, all the best in your journey. You can’t go right doing what is wrong…and you can’t go wrong doing what is right.

Be encouraged,

Also, next week I am going to Denton, TX. to meet with Mark Crutcher of Life Dynamics. He has invited me to be on his television show. I don’t know the air date yet.

Also, sometime soon there will be a national press release issued. I hope that everyone who reads this will pray that Rowan’s story gets lots and lots of coverage, even if they anihilate me…it is the only way things will begin to happen and that’s why we are all here talking to begin with correct?

You know what I like? I truly enjoy the fact that all of us share sometimes drastically different opinions but everyone wants to see the same change. I have never had such a first hand experience in any other aspect or of my life. It is fascinating, challenging, rewarding and a definite tool for positive growth.

I am very glad to have the opportunity to learn from and share with everyone who posts here.

Christ’s Peace